2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I don't have that on i don't think......

No, you definitely don't

[rjackson]

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Here's the deal with Leubke--they expect to contend next year following a strong finish and yes, they like him. I like him, but love him in that park. They will definitely hang on to him until at least July.

Trumbo I'm not sure on. I hear reports that they don't want to trade him which could be "we will but will tell people we won't to try to push Wells or get someone to overpay for Trumbo". Either way, I'd say to make a generous offer if you are going for fair & realistic.

[Pasco08]

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What is that? All the settings are on default....

[AC]

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Here's the deal with Leubke--they expect to contend next year following a strong finish and yes, they like him. I like him, but love him in that park. They will definitely hang on to him until at least July.

Trumbo I'm not sure on. I hear reports that they don't want to trade him which could be "we will but will tell people we won't to try to push Wells or get someone to overpay for Trumbo". Either way, I'd say to make a generous offer if you are going for fair & realistic.

He's coming of TJ and the Padres contending is wishful thinking.

Trumbo is a unique case.

[rjackson]

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My turn, trade deadline in a day or two. Pads went on a losing tear and are out of it. Texas has like a .750 winning percentage. I have a 2 game lead in the AL Central. Please give me thoughts on fairness and realism. I try to keep it real but Grandal is one of my favs to play with so I may still do it if it is at least fair. I'm trying to overpay for him...

Pads get:
Gavin Floyd--Probably a #2 in that park, lol, signed for next year as well
Phil Humber (honestly a swing man)
Nestor Molina (really really high B SP)
Trace Thompson (high B RF/CF, think Marisnick as a high B--speed, power, def, .240 20-20 guy in his prime realistically)
Jake Petricka (High C SP w/control problems, think Matt Clement as his fastball moves tons)
A mid-high B southpaw RP which they are starved for

ChiSox get:
Tim Stauffer (valued as a high C iirc)
Cameron Maybin (benched after hitting .230 but signed for 4 more years)
Rob Erlin (mid-high B SP prospect, Molina is rated higher but his stuff is suited for sim rather than human play sinker/splitter pitcher)
Grandal (ready for the show but Baker & Hundley present)

Should I add Keon Barnum? He's a high C 1B they like but probably to platoon.

One more:
TEX gets
Tyler Flowers (I've simmed and he goes .265 25HRs with decent D which is premium for a Catcher)
Zach Stewart (mid B, either SP or RP that they want as a RP)

CHI gets
Martin Perez who is blocked by 7 other SPs, only one of which they lose after this year.

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Pads get:
Gavin Floyd
Nestor Molina
Trace Thompson
Reliever prospect

ChiSox get:
Tim Stauffer
Cameron Maybin
Rob Erlin

Is essentially what this trade is. I don't really like it. A valuable #3, an A POT OF, and a really really really good SP prospect, for a good #4, an overhyped SP, a good-ish OF, and a reliever prospect (who are pretty worthless)? I don't like it.

Tyler Flowers
Zach Stewart

CHI gets
Martin Perez

Flowers is interesting but not worth an A. Stewart is an absolutely terrible excuse of a pitcher who holds negative value, even as a starter. Perez is an A prospect with options. Don't like it.

[CameRoN0407]

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My turn, trade deadline in a day or two. Pads went on a losing tear and are out of it. Texas has like a .750 winning percentage. I have a 2 game lead in the AL Central. Please give me thoughts on fairness and realism. I try to keep it real but Grandal is one of my favs to play with so I may still do it if it is at least fair. I'm trying to overpay for him...

Pads get:
Gavin Floyd--Probably a #2 in that park, lol, signed for next year as well
Phil Humber (honestly a swing man)
Nestor Molina (really really high B SP)
Trace Thompson (high B RF/CF, think Marisnick as a high B--speed, power, def, .240 20-20 guy in his prime realistically)
Jake Petricka (High C SP w/control problems, think Matt Clement as his fastball moves tons)
A mid-high B southpaw RP which they are starved for

ChiSox get:
Tim Stauffer (valued as a high C iirc)
Cameron Maybin (benched after hitting .230 but signed for 4 more years)
Rob Erlin (mid-high B SP prospect, Molina is rated higher but his stuff is suited for sim rather than human play sinker/splitter pitcher)
Grandal (ready for the show but Baker & Hundley present)

Should I add Keon Barnum? He's a high C 1B they like but probably to platoon.

One more:
TEX gets
Tyler Flowers (I've simmed and he goes .265 25HRs with decent D which is premium for a Catcher)
Zach Stewart (mid B, either SP or RP that they want as a RP)

CHI gets
Martin Perez who is blocked by 7 other SPs, only one of which they lose after this year.

Personally don't like the fact you get Maybin AND Grandal for basically Floyd, Humber, Thompson and a RP. Martin Perez I'm not too sure about. Tyler Flowers is how old? Zach Stewart isn't that great IMO.

[CabreraMVP]

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I traded Porcello and Boesch for Furbush, Wells ,and Brendan Ryan

[rjackson]

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Personally don't like the fact you get Maybin AND Grandal for basically Floyd, Humber, Thompson and a RP. Martin Perez I'm not too sure about. Tyler Flowers is how old? Zach Stewart isn't that great IMO.

He's 26, still young. Similar to what I was thinking and maybe I am justifying it in my head but C and SS are premium positions due to scarcity. You can't name but a few catchers who can hit .260 and 25 or better. It addresses their need for a C, but they also need LHP relief so I'll switch out Stewart with that. Keep in mind though, Stewart becomes a solid B pitcher in this game.

As for the other, irl Maybin got pushed down to the bottom of the order and they were thinking about alternatives until he started making adjustments in late August. In this game, he's on the bench behind Denorfia. Thompson gives them a solid not great RF who can also play CF which is a need for them. I think they'd do Maybin for Thompson+fringe RP prospect straight up. Floyd is a weak 3/good 4 who becomes a good 3 in that park. They aren't high on Stauffer but would be happy with Floyd irl.

Molina becomes better than Erlin. He's gotten the e-mails and it a top B. They are ahead of me on all of these save Grandal. Since they stockpile pitching and I'm running out of valuable pieces I can move, I included Humber which is the part I don't like. I drafted like 6-7 B prospects I could do as PTBNL.

Do you still think that I am justifying this to myself? I know that on the surface it don't look good but knowing everything in my virtual universe can make a difference...

[CameRoN0407]

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He's 26, still young. Similar to what I was thinking and maybe I am justifying it in my head but C and SS are premium positions due to scarcity. You can't name but a few catchers who can hit .260 and 25 or better. It addresses their need for a C, but they also need LHP relief so I'll switch out Stewart with that. Keep in mind though, Stewart becomes a solid B pitcher in this game.

As for the other, irl Maybin got pushed down to the bottom of the order and they were thinking about alternatives until he started making adjustments in late August. In this game, he's on the bench behind Denorfia. Thompson gives them a solid not great RF who can also play CF which is a need for them. I think they'd do Maybin for Thompson+fringe RP prospect straight up. Floyd is a weak 3/good 4 who becomes a good 3 in that park. They aren't high on Stauffer but would be happy with Floyd irl.

Molina becomes better than Erlin. He's gotten the e-mails and it a top B. They are ahead of me on all of these save Grandal. Since they stockpile pitching and I'm running out of valuable pieces I can move, I included Humber which is the part I don't like. I drafted like 6-7 B prospects I could do as PTBNL.

Do you still think that I am justifying this to myself? I know that on the surface it don't look good but knowing everything in my virtual universe can make a difference...

You're reaaaaaaally good at justifying yourself... but I'm still not sold...

[rjackson]

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Fair enough. I'll assume AC feels the same. Any suggestions to make these workable?

[AC]

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He's 26, still young. Similar to what I was thinking and maybe I am justifying it in my head but C and SS are premium positions due to scarcity. You can't name but a few catchers who can hit .260 and 25 or better. It addresses their need for a C, but they also need LHP relief so I'll switch out Stewart with that. Keep in mind though, Stewart becomes a solid B pitcher in this game.

C and SS are valuable positions, yes. Flowers is valuable, yes. Flowers is not worth an A.

LHP relief? Dude, they can sign a free agent. Relievers are throw ins. I've never seen Stewart have an ERA below 4. Ever.

As for the other, irl Maybin got pushed down to the bottom of the order and they were thinking about alternatives until he started making adjustments in late August. In this game, he's on the bench behind Denorfia.

They wouldn't trade him, though, they'd give him every opportunity to turn it around. why sell low?

Thompson gives them a solid not great RF who can also play CF which is a need for them. I think they'd do Maybin for Thompson+fringe RP prospect straight up. Floyd is a weak 3/good 4 who becomes a good 3 in that park. They aren't high on Stauffer but would be happy with Floyd irl.

I don't think they'd do Maybin for Thompson. Maybin is much, much more talented than Thompson. They're high on Stauffer, not sure what you mean.

Molina becomes better than Erlin. He's gotten the e-mails and it a top B. They are ahead of me on all of these save Grandal.

Molina is slightly better than Erlin, not nearly enough to change my mind.

Did you not just say that C is a valuable position? Grandal is a really good player and a really valuable position, and you're almost treating him like a throw in.

Since they stockpile pitching and I'm running out of valuable pieces I can move, I included Humber which is the part I don't like. I drafted like 6-7 B prospects I could do as PTBNL.

Maybe you should include 5-6 of those B's. You're not giving up nearly enough.

Do you still think that I am justifying this to myself? I know that on the surface it don't look good but knowing everything in my virtual universe can make a difference...

I think you're justifying it to yourself through some reasoning that while sound, has flaws. For one, imho, you're overvaluing some of your players, and undervaluing SD's players. Two, you value relievers way too much. Any non-elite reliever isn't worth much, if anything at all. They're replaceable.

[AC]

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Fair enough. I'll assume AC feels the same. Any suggestions to make these workable?

I see where you're coming from, I really do, so I'll help you out, but you and the Rangers don't really match up. Who do you REALLY want from San Diego?

[rjackson]

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Good stuff, exactly why we have this thread. Thx.
As for Stauffer, they nontendered him. He might sign somewhere late next year (TJ surgery). The RPs are only for needs, seems like everyone always needs them but I only value them as C's.

The Pads always seem to bow down to their fans. Some of those extensions this year were like what? Really?

[AC]

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Good stuff, exactly why we have this thread. Thx.
As for Stauffer, they nontendered him. He might sign somewhere late next year (TJ surgery). The RPs are only for needs, seems like everyone always needs them but I only value them as C's.

The Pads always seem to bow down to their fans. Some of those extensions this year were like what? Really?

I think they're gonna try to resign Stauffer. We've seen other teams do similar stuff, like the Giants and Wilson (but Wilson told them to eff off).

I really should make an RP equivalency scale some day, have had that idea for a while.

Playing the devil's advocate, with their new found pitching depth, would the Yanks trade Pineda?