Loooooooong Singles.

[Pared]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Yes, on the 1st double, the user didn't advance the runner right away. Even with that little bit of hitch, the runner still should be standing on 2nd. If you watch it again, you will notice the left fielder gets to the ball BEFORE the runner even made it to 1st base, which is the issue.

Here's a double from yesterday's Cubs game, notice the big difference from real baseball and The Show with default sliders.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play****p?content_id=20423071&c_id=mlb

EDIT:

Operationsports censored the link lol
New link:
http://tinyurl.com/7b983g4

Thanks. Seems you're not paying attention to the fact that in the first example, the OF is extremely deep and played the ball perfectly. In the second example that ball doesn't go to 2nd base as the throw attempt wouldn't even be made in real life. And you STILL don't know if he was safe or not...

The game allows you to interrupt animations and get the ball off a bit faster than you should - that still doesn't justify this mindset that you can't don't see long singles in the majors. Happened a few times this weekend. Of course they're not all highlights. But here's one from last year: http://tinyurl.com/898gd4x

[Foo4Everlong]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

I have lowered both reaction and fielder speed considering that each player has this built into there own player attributes, adding the sliders ontop of their attributes only makes them unrealistically faster. I have seen more hits to the gaps as well as hits over the heads of the outfielders which has given me and the computer more triples. Haven't lowered arm strength yet but this is also built in as well. I say try it out for sure! The slowness of your fielders might seem weird but stick with it, it's the way things should happen. Later

[dodgerblue]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

I have my thoughts, but I'm curious as to what others think the #1 biggest cause of this stuff is? Does the ball travel too slowly or too quickly through the air, or on the grass? Fielders run too quickly? Throws have too much strength?

I think the ball travels too quickly with too much power, the defenders seem to always be in the right place and track the ball perfectly. Then, they field and throw the ball almost instantly. The field size seems to be too small, it doesn't take long enough for the fielder to get into the alley or to the lines.

I have lowered fielder speed, hit power, and upped runner speed and it seems to be helping but it still seems off.

[hitstreak13]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

I think the ball travels too quickly with too much power, the defenders seem to always be in the right place and track the ball perfectly. Then, they field and throw the ball almost instantly. The field size seems to be too small, it doesn't take long enough for the fielder to get into the alley or to the lines.

I have lowered fielder speed, hit power, and upped runner speed and it seems to be helping but it still seems off.

Ironic, I just mentioned fields seem too small this year. I did the exact same thing with the sliders (low fielding, low power, jacked up solid hits though) and it has helped a bit. I am still not satisfied. Through 20 games (decent size sample) I only have 16 team doubles, 0 triples, and 16 homers.

[Vashyron.]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Thanks. Seems you're not paying attention to the fact that in the first example, the OF is extremely deep and played the ball perfectly. In the second example that ball doesn't go to 2nd base as the throw attempt wouldn't even be made in real life. And you STILL don't know if he was safe or not...

The game allows you to interrupt animations and get the ball off a bit faster than you should - that still doesn't justify this mindset that you can't don't see long singles in the majors. Happened a few times this weekend. Of course they're not all highlights. But here's one from last year: http://tinyurl.com/898gd4x

Nobody ever said long singles don't happen, people are saying they happen way too often. On the 2nd double in the video, he would've been out for sure if the cutoff man wasn't towards 1st base. The OFs seem to have been deep on 1st double, but even then if you hit a ball down the line, it's a double unless the OF has a arm like Ichiro or Soriano. On the 2nd hit down the line, the OFs were NOT playing deep.

Even on your video of the long single, the runner got to 1st base before the OF got to the ball whereas in The Show, the OF got to the ball before the runner got to 1st base.

I don't understand why you keep defending The Show's default sliders when it's pretty obvious that outfielders in real life run much slower. All the slider guys have lowered fielder speed in the game. Every single game of this series the OFs are too fast on default. I remember that one year where everyone was so happy you could finally hit a ball over an OF's head.

[AUTiger1]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

I haven't had an issue with ground rule doubles. I think I've seen 2 at the most.

[AUTiger1]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Actually, that sort of triple does happen occasionally, especially if you lower Fielder Run Speed. I'm using 4/10 for that slider and have seen quite a few even though I haven't been watching all triples (must admit "dive gone wrong" kind happens more though).

From how the video looks like, it does seem fielders run much slower in real life than in the game.

I've gotten triples with Jose Bautista and J.P. Arencibia. Both aren't known for their speed.

[Bobhead]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Even last year I felt like there was a problem with the scale, with players being disproportionately too large for the field. It's an impossible thing to prove though, so I never really pushed it, but I'd swear it's still the case. If you watch real-life baseball, players are sometimes "swallowed up" by the outfield and its depth. That never happens in The Show, in any ballpark. You'll even see in the cutscenes at the end of the inning that show them running towards the dugout. A few steps and they are in the infield. They clearly cover way too much ground, but I'd swear that the issue is that they are too big, not that they run too fast.

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

The great thing about baseball is you have 162 games to fool around and get the game playing and looking they way you want.

Simply tweak the fielder speed, and fielder reaction, throwing power and baserunner speed sliders, then play at least 12 games. If your still not seeing what you feel is truly baseball then do another tweak and play another 12 games.

If after say 35-40 games Your still not feeling it.....I don't know what to tell ya. Wait for the first patch.

Speaking off I am sure some gameplay tuning will be addressed on this issue. They may nerf down the ball physics in regards to the ball slowing down so much on screamers down the line. I did notice right away out of the box OF's were getting to rips down the line way too fast. Hence why I made the slider adjustments to try and nerf that down. It has been working for me. I am getting doubles. In fact through 4 games LoMo has 3. I am hitting gappers and seeing them from the cpu as well.

[nomo17k]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Even last year I felt like there was a problem with the scale, with players being disproportionately too large for the field. It's an impossible thing to prove though, so I never really pushed it, but I'd swear it's still the case. If you watch real-life baseball, players are sometimes "swallowed up" by the outfield and its depth. That never happens in The Show, in any ballpark. You'll even see in the cutscenes at the end of the inning that show them running towards the dugout. A few steps and they are in the infield. They clearly cover way too much ground, but I'd swear that the issue is that they are too big, not that they run too fast.

Woodweaver@SCEA confirmed that the players are on the right scale with the stadium:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043002946

It's definitely fielder speed. But this can also be tricky to adjust, since players aren't always running at full speed, take different angles to the ball, etc. However, it's pretty clear they have been too fast in the past.

[Bobhead]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

I like how I'm the one that made that thread and yet I completely forgot about it while you remembered. I need to start taking that Omega vitamin thing, whatever it's called.

Anyway, yeah the variance in speed is another issue. In real life fielders seldom run full speed, because you can't run full speed and track a ball accurately in the air at the same time. For example, a ball over your head (ie: you must run towards the wall to catch it) requires the most deceleration.

I wish real life MLB gameplay videos weren't so hard to find. All other sports allow their videos to run free across the internet, but MLB for whatever reason insists on restricting that sort of thing. I've been trying for ages to get just one quality video that showed a fielder pursuing a ball, from the crack of the bat until it's caught (with no camera cuts or delays or anything).

[nomo17k]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

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I wish real life MLB gameplay videos weren't so hard to find. All other sports allow their videos to run free across the internet, but MLB for whatever reason insists on restricting that sort of thing. I've been trying for ages to get just one quality video that showed a fielder pursuing a ball, from the crack of the bat until it's caught (with no camera cuts or delays or anything).

Haha I know... the videos on mlb.com are fun to watch but too many highlights (i.e., HRs) and too few regular plays...

There have been several good footage of full classic games (like from 80s...) but they are very quick to be removed. Wonder how much MLB is spending on censoring those things. Instead of wasting $$$ on policing things like that, they should spend resources in making all these classic games available via stream (for a fee if they want... If it's reasonably cheap I have quite a few games I want to watch.......).

[pistolpete]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

The great thing about baseball is you have 162 games to fool around and get the game playing and looking they way you want.

They get anal about perfect sliders for day 1 of franchise, and then panic when they start going a little haywire. It's an iterative process and people will always be tinkering with sliders.

Again, I griped as much as anyone else did about this issue. Rather than gripe I should have just lowered OF speed. It's not that big of a deal.

[Pared]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Nobody ever said long singles don't happen, people are saying they happen way too often. On the 2nd double in the video, he would've been out for sure if the cutoff man wasn't towards 1st base. The OFs seem to have been deep on 1st double, but even then if you hit a ball down the line, it's a double unless the OF has a arm like Ichiro or Soriano. On the 2nd hit down the line, the OFs were NOT playing deep.

Even on your video of the long single, the runner got to 1st base before the OF got to the ball whereas in The Show, the OF got to the ball before the runner got to 1st base.

I don't understand why you keep defending The Show's default sliders when it's pretty obvious that outfielders in real life run much slower. All the slider guys have lowered fielder speed in the game. Every single game of this series the OFs are too fast on default. I remember that one year where everyone was so happy you could finally hit a ball over an OF's head.

The great thing about baseball is you have 162 games to fool around and get the game playing and looking they way you want.

Simply tweak the fielder speed, and fielder reaction, throwing power and baserunner speed sliders, then play at least 12 games. If your still not seeing what you feel is truly baseball then do another tweak and play another 12 games.

If after say 35-40 games Your still not feeling it.....I don't know what to tell ya. Wait for the first patch.

Speaking off I am sure some gameplay tuning will be addressed on this issue. They may nerf down the ball physics in regards to the ball slowing down so much on screamers down the line. I did notice right away out of the box OF's were getting to rips down the line way too fast. Hence why I made the slider adjustments to try and nerf that down. It has been working for me. I am getting doubles. In fact through 4 games LoMo has 3. I am hitting gappers and seeing them from the cpu as well.

Bingo.

[Vashyron.]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Again, I griped as much as anyone else did about this issue. Rather than gripe I should have just lowered OF speed. It's not that big of a deal.

It is a bit of a big deal, we shouldn't even have sliders for things like fielder speed, arm strength, baserunner speed, etc. I don't see why fielders can't be running at real life speeds, fielders can't throw the ball real life speeds, etc. Speed is one of the easiest things to do from a physics standpoint. This is the 9th game in the series and every year I have to go though and change sliders that shouldn't even have to be changed if the game had good physics. It's a baseball game, the foundation of a good baseball should be good physics. We just now got some bat-on-ball physics, it's a great addition, but it's really something that should've been in the game several years ago.

Bingo.

What I'm talking about is something objective, not subjective. Fielder speed is way too fast on default sliders, which is what pretty much everyone is saying, and the evidence is 100% there. If you want fielders to be too fast in your game, then that's fine. But why post saying default is realistic in pretty much every regard when it's not. You might like the game on default but many things aren't very realistic on default either like fielder speed and relievers being able to pitch every game.