Loooooooong Singles.

[Vashyron.]

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......right. Woosh. Too involved in your own preconceived conclusions to even read the thread.

You're the same, I provided a video of a Loooooooong Single that should be a double, that is what the original post is about. The thread isn't long singles in the gap, it's long singles period, and all that takes is reading the title of the thread.

[moemoe24]

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I have my thoughts, but I'm curious as to what others think the #1 biggest cause of this stuff is? Does the ball travel too slowly or too quickly through the air, or on the grass? Fielders run too quickly? Throws have too much strength?

After playing my fair amount of games this year I've come to the conclusion that the new ball physics have made the game go backwards. Another words, they took a great game and tried to add something that was not needed. Why try to fix something that wasn't broken?

This isn't a game breaker by any means and I'm sure I will play it and have fun but I just feel like they could have left the ball alone.

[jkra0512]

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After playing my fair amount of games this year I've come to the conclusion that the new ball physics have made the game go backwards. Another words, they took a great game and tried to add something that was not needed. Why try to fix something that wasn't broken?

This isn't a game breaker by any means and I'm sure I will play it and have fun but I just feel like they could have left the ball alone.

Ball physics has an opportunity to revolutionize this series, these types of groundbreaking changes are rarely perfect the first year they're implemented. I'm taking a wait-n-see approach, SCEA deserves that much. That being said, I don't have these loooooooooong singles issues others are having.

[Ryan97]

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Ok so its been awhile but I was the original poster. I'm not going to argue or discuss the physics aspect. I am however going to provide an additional perspective to consider.

In my experimenting over the last 30 games or so Im not feeling its a physics issue. I feel it is a user issue........or at least partially, let me explain.

Your current configuration and skill level will determine to a large degree what kind of contact you are making and how often. For example If I put it on rookie Im going to make superior contact far more often than I will on HOF. The result is loooooong singles in the gap are occurring from superior contact. The more times this contact occurs the more this situation seems to make itself an "issue". When it happens occasionally it can be more wildly accepted as a rare thing much like IRL cause it certainly does happen. Once you factor in guess pitch users and bonuses etc than you have what we have here. Not necessarily a physics issue but an issue of the "environment" you are playing in. The people that see this as an issue are making ideal contact far too often IMO.

I think BECAUSE of the physics, additional considerations may come into play when setting up your game this year. I for one have had to lower solid hits to 2 because I was hitting the ball hard far more often than realistically. Since then everything feels good. More of those line drives drop sooner rather than one or two hopping quickly to the wall. I have been held to long singles since as well, but it was in situations where I really hit the ball hard.

In closing I will say I'm only speaking to the long singles in the gap not the air speed velocity and travel distance on the slider I hit in 85 mph cross winds and how it didnt bounce quite right when it landed on that 4th blade of grass. It dosent apply to what the original post was intended to be about.

[ParisB]

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Bottom line, it's a combination of things.

I believe, in no particular order, that the most likely issues are:

(1) CPU plays the routes/bounces perfectly. They are in perfect position every time.

(2) The ball is a little bouncy and comes back to the fielder rather quickly. In real life, the ball usually dies out and the fielder has to slow up to pick it up etc. In The Show, the fielder does this quickly and efficiently.

(3) Outfielder arms are a little too strong. Period.

[odessabo]

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You're the same, I provided a video of a Loooooooong Single that should be a double, that is what the original post is about. The thread isn't long singles in the gap, it's long singles period, and all that takes is reading the title of the thread.

any particular reason this user was banned? looking at this thread (his last), I see nothing which constitutes a ban

[nomo17k]

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any particular reason this user was banned? looking at this thread (his last), I see nothing which constitutes a ban

I think he's actually a previously-banned user. Personally I think he does raise many good points worth discussing about the game, but unfortunately he has a tendency to end up unnecessarily stirring arguments (via making snide comments about the devs' ability, sticking to rather unfounded evidence to prove himself, etc.), which isn't generally seen as a constructive behavior in this forum...

[bcruise]

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Heh, it's funny - just as I was seeing this thread pop up on Real Time again, I saw a frozen rope to right bounce off the Wrigley ivy, right to David Dejesus and it ends up a long single.

Would love to show video, but it's not likely to be a highlight reel play.

[Pared]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Discuss the thread, please. Banned users are not the topic of discussion.

[odessabo]

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...Personally I think he does raise many good points worth discussing about the game, ...

i agree with the OP. I too have seen many solid hits down the line that die before they reach the outfielder. I have even raised the slider for solid hits, though i dont know if this actually increases the longevity (to hit the wall) of the hit or just the initial speed off the bat.

Do I get grounders to the wall? Sometimes, but not like the last couple of years. I have been thrown out at second plenty of times (especially in RTTS) on shots that I thought were going to even be a triple.

[raneman85]

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You also have to take into account the hitter. Mark Reynolds or Ryan Howard are not going to successfully leg out a one hop ball off the wall in some of the parks. Last year there were an extreme amount of triples. Howard should not get many triples. If those loooong singles become doubles for Reynolds or Howard what are the doubles going to be for reasonably fast but not super speedsters like Elvis Andrus. I don't want to see 4-5 triples every game, when they should be legitimate doubles. I'm getting a good amount of doubles every game. Just something to consider.

[BleedBlueAndRed]

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I'm in my yankees franchise and all my doubles are in the gaps, but in the First home game against the Angels, Dan Haren is throwing a Perfect Game on me through 5.1 and Russell Martin hits one to the corner and it drops halfway between the 3B and LF (hard liner) and rolls to the wall, Vernon Wells throws it in to second and Martin slides in safe on an off-line throw (would've been safe by a little bit if the throw was on target i believe). I might upload the video later if I can. I haven't had any problems with "looooooooooooong singles"

[AUTiger1]

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I had to LOL tonight when I saw some guy on the Cubs hit a ball into the left center field gap and almost get thrown out at second.

Yeah I saw that too. I can't remember who it was though. But I remember thinking when it happened that it was someone that can run too. This thread immediately popped into my head. I think it might have been Darwin Barney.

[NAFBUC]

Re: Loooooooong Singles.

Great thread and discussion with valid points.

The topic being discussed is a great example of why we need someone to keep the discussion going in the right direction. Without someone navigating the ship, we would be sailing in circles and going no where.

[nomo17k]

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One thing I'd like to add (before I space out and forget) is that I find CPU baserunners to be quite a bit more aggressive than I would expect from real-life counterparts.

I can clearly see this in the number of outfield assists in my CPU vs. CPU games, which is generally higher than real life numbers.

I actually measured from in-game videos how fast they run on basepath, and the BR Speed slider at default (or +/-1 click) seems to be very realistic in terms of physical speed, so that's not a problem.

So the perception of runners getting gunned down at 2B (and also at 3B) partly comes from that... The runners err on being more aggressive than being conservative.