OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

I am really excited to start my Franchise so I can start getting involved in this process more. It's nice to finally see trades that make sense and aren't completely ridiculous. Great job so far guys, it has been awesome reading all the proposals and responses so far.

Which do you plan on franchising with?

[authentic]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Which do you plan on franchising with?

The Chicago Cubs.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: The Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Jeremy Hellickson on the Block

We realize it is still early in the season, as it is only the 2nd week on May, but we noticed your organization has placed Hellickson on the trading block. We have a high interest in him and feel we can give ou a fair deal. Currently your team sits 7 games back of the Sox in the division, and 4 games back in the wildcard behind the yankees. We noticed your team has been struggling at the plate, hitting only .240 so far this year, good for 27th in the league. We also noticed your team your team is actively searching for a 2nd baseman and catcher. We feel we can offer you a good deal that would benefit both sides. Currently Hellickson sits at 2-2 with a 4.91 ERA with a 1.52 WHIP, 18 K's, and 15 BB's. We also notcied that Jose Molina, the catcher who has the most AB's on your team, was just placed on the DL. Also, Keppinger, your main 2nd baseman currently, is hitting below .200 with over 100 AB's so far. We are willing to offer you a trade that goes as follows:

Pirates Give:
2B Neil Walker - .211 1 HR 8 RBI. Although Neil's stats aren't superb, he is starting to heat up at the plate, currently with a 9 game hit streak and is hitting .372 in his last 10 games with 1 HR and 7 RBIs.
C Rob Barajas - .250 1 HR 7 RBI. Rob has primarily been are backup since we traded for Arencibia, and he still manages to boast a .472 slugging percentage. He still has much pop in his bat, and we think a change of scenery could benefit him.
RP Tony Watson - At only 26, Watson has been very solid for us in our farm system. He has a C potential and has a 3.00 ERA in 12.0 IP with 5 K's and 2 BB's. You have also made it clear you're in need of RP, and we feel Watson can be solid for you and is almost MLB ready right now.

Rays Give:
SP Jeremy Hellickson - As stated before, you have put him on the block and made it clear you want a 2nd basemen, Catcher, and a RP. We can offer you all those things and we can plug Jeremy into our rotation right away.
SS Tim Beckham - Tim is what we are looking for in SS for our future, and even though he is hitting .300 in AA we think we are giving enough to receive him in return, plus with Hak Ju Lee waiting in the wings we think Tim would benefit in a different organization.

Feel free to counter offer if you feel necessary.

-The Pittsburgh Pirates

To Pirates
From: Rays Gm

RE: Hellickson

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As soon as we are done with tonight's game, I will look over the trade, and get back to you.

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

The Chicago Cubs.

I played a franchise with them.. only went a year or 2 and ended up simming most of it, but they have a lot of pieces, and if you can find a way to dump that nasty Soriano contract, you're in business!

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

May I just add that the surging 7-22 Pirates brought in 9,000 people on bobblehead night!

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Blue Jays GM
From: Rays GM

RE: J.P Arencibia

We are contacting you to let you know that we are interested in JP Arencibia. We currently have a 36 year old out of shape catcher behind the plate, so we need to upgrade. We would gladly negotiate with you for him, since you have D'Arnaud waiting in the wings. He is currently hitting .462 at AAA ball, so he is going to get called up soon. We will get the negotiations started.

Rays receive:
Arencibia
Henderson Alvarez

Blue Jays receive:
Kyle Farnsworth

This may be a little steep price, but it is a starting point.

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

To: GM of the Tampa Bay Rays
From: GM of the Toronto Blue Jays
Re: J.P. Arencibia

This is more than a little more than steep. Alvarez is very highly regarded by our organization, and J.P. is a key cog for us going forward. Kyle Farnsworth is an aging reliever that with Sergio Santos, seems fairly useless. Here's a very tentative offer;

J.P. Arencibia (A)
Henderson Alvarez (B)
Daniel Norris (A)

FOR

Matt Moore / David Price / James Shields / Jeremy Hellickson.Two A's and a B for an A seems MORE than fair, as both of us are dealing from positions of strength to improve areas of weakness. This is a starting point, although I might need one more B prospect and a C prospect to even it out.
__________________________________________________ _______________

Before I make an official proposal, I will need to see the stats of everyone involved.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: GM of the Tampa Bay Rays
From: GM of the Toronto Blue Jays
Re: J.P. Arencibia

This is more than a little more than steep. Alvarez is very highly regarded by our organization, and J.P. is a key cog for us going forward. Kyle Farnsworth is an aging reliever that with Sergio Santos, seems fairly useless. Here's a very tentative offer;

J.P. Arencibia (A)
Henderson Alvarez (B)
Daniel Norris (A)

FOR

Matt Moore / David Price / James Shields / Jeremy Hellickson.Two A's and a B for an A seems MORE than fair, as both of us are dealing from positions of strength to improve areas of weakness. This is a starting point, although I might need one more B prospect and a C prospect to even it out.
__________________________________________________ _______________

Before I make an official proposal, I will need to see the stats of everyone involved.

To: Gm of Blue Jays
From Gm of Tampa Bay

RE: Arencibia Trade

How about this?

Blue Jays receive:
James Shields 1g, 6.1 innings, 4 earned runs, 5.68 era

Rays receive:
JP Arencibia 15ab, 5h, .333 avg, 1 hr, and 2 RBI
Alvarez 1g, 3.0 innings, 8 earned runs, 24.0 era
Daniel Norris class A ball, no stats

I think this is fair. You receive an another ace to go with Romero. I fix my catching woes. You throw in top prospect Norris, because of how good Shields is.

Please respond soon,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Gm of Blue Jays
From Gm of Tampa Bay

RE: Arencibia Trade

How about this?

Blue Jays receive:
James Shields 1g, 6.1 innings, 4 earned runs, 5.68 era

Rays receive:
JP Arencibia 15ab, 5h, .333 avg, 1 hr, and 2 RBI
Alvarez 1g, 3.0 innings, 8 earned runs, 24.0 era
Daniel Norris class A ball, no stats

I think this is fair. You receive an another ace to go with Romero. I fix my catching woes. You throw in top prospect Norris, because of how good Shields is.

Please respond soon,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

To: GM of the Tampa Bay Rays
From: GM of the Toronto Blue Jays
Re: Shields

Would you be willing to include Drabek instead of Alvarez? He has a MUCH higher ceiling, but our fan base doesn't like him and we're looking for someone that's better now.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: The Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Jeremy Hellickson on the Block

We realize it is still early in the season, as it is only the 2nd week on May, but we noticed your organization has placed Hellickson on the trading block. We have a high interest in him and feel we can give ou a fair deal. Currently your team sits 7 games back of the Sox in the division, and 4 games back in the wildcard behind the yankees. We noticed your team has been struggling at the plate, hitting only .240 so far this year, good for 27th in the league. We also noticed your team your team is actively searching for a 2nd baseman and catcher. We feel we can offer you a good deal that would benefit both sides. Currently Hellickson sits at 2-2 with a 4.91 ERA with a 1.52 WHIP, 18 K's, and 15 BB's. We also notcied that Jose Molina, the catcher who has the most AB's on your team, was just placed on the DL. Also, Keppinger, your main 2nd baseman currently, is hitting below .200 with over 100 AB's so far. We are willing to offer you a trade that goes as follows:

Pirates Give:
2B Neil Walker - .211 1 HR 8 RBI. Although Neil's stats aren't superb, he is starting to heat up at the plate, currently with a 9 game hit streak and is hitting .372 in his last 10 games with 1 HR and 7 RBIs.
C Rob Barajas - .250 1 HR 7 RBI. Rob has primarily been are backup since we traded for Arencibia, and he still manages to boast a .472 slugging percentage. He still has much pop in his bat, and we think a change of scenery could benefit him.
RP Tony Watson - At only 26, Watson has been very solid for us in our farm system. He has a C potential and has a 3.00 ERA in 12.0 IP with 5 K's and 2 BB's. You have also made it clear you're in need of RP, and we feel Watson can be solid for you and is almost MLB ready right now.

Rays Give:
SP Jeremy Hellickson - As stated before, you have put him on the block and made it clear you want a 2nd basemen, Catcher, and a RP. We can offer you all those things and we can plug Jeremy into our rotation right away.
SS Tim Beckham - Tim is what we are looking for in SS for our future, and even though he is hitting .300 in AA we think we are giving enough to receive him in return, plus with Hak Ju Lee waiting in the wings we think Tim would benefit in a different organization.

Feel free to counter offer if you feel necessary.

-The Pittsburgh Pirates

To: Pirates GM
From: Rays GM

RE: Hellickson trade

We would have to accept more than that. We have Zobrist who can move to second. We really like Tabata though, because he is signed to a long term, low money contract. You might have to add another prospect like Josh Bell to just get Hellickson. To add Beckham, how about Walkwr or another young player like Tony Sanchez?

Tell me Zobrist and Tabata stats. That may dictate trade. How to hear from you soon.

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: GM of the Tampa Bay Rays
From: GM of the Toronto Blue Jays
Re: Shields

Would you be willing to include Drabek instead of Alvarez? He has a MUCH higher ceiling, but our fan base doesn't like him and we're looking for someone that's better now.

To: Blue Jays
From: Rays

RE: James Shields trade

We like Alvarez a lot more than Drabek. We might be willing to go with syndergaard, because he is 5 years younger than Drabek. He is only 2 years younger than Alvarez though, and Alvarez is a lot better now. Keep me informed on what you think about his deal.

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Pirates GM
From: Rays GM

RE: Hellickson trade

We would have to accept more than that. We have Zobrist who can move to second. We really like Tabata though, because he is signed to a long term, low money contract. You might have to add another prospect like Josh Bell to just get Hellickson. To add Beckham, how about Walkwr or another young player like Tony Sanchez?

Tell me Zobrist and Tabata stats. That may dictate trade. How to hear from you soon.

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Hellickson

We could always add our 21 year old B potential first baseman Alex Dickerson. Alex is currently hitting .271 with 5 HRs and 24 RBIs in AA ball this year. Beckham is not a a must in the trade, he was simply an added piece, our primary interest is in Hellickson.

Tabata- .158 1 HR 10 RBI 5 SB's

Zobrist - .185 4 HR 20 RBI 2 SB

-The Pittsburgh Pirates

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Hellickson

We could always add our 21 year old B potential first baseman Alex Dickerson. Alex is currently hitting .271 with 5 HRs and 24 RBIs in AA ball this year. Beckham is not a a must in the trade, he was simply an added piece, our primary interest is in Hellickson.

Tabata- .158 1 HR 10 RBI 5 SB's

Zobrist - .185 4 HR 20 RBI 2 SB

-The Pittsburgh Pirates

To: Pirates
From: Rays Gm

RE: Hellickson trade

We will probably opt for Zobrist over Walker for the RBI factor. Their avgs. Aren't too far off, but he has more HRS and RBIs. How about this?

Rays receive:
Tabata
Jameson Taillon
Josh Harrison 3b(one of secondary positions is 2b)

Pirates receive:
Jeremy Hellickson

Sounds fair.
(don't think they would trade him in real life, but he is on the block)

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Pirates
From: Rays Gm

RE: Hellickson trade

We will probably opt for Zobrist over Walker for the RBI factor. Their avgs. Aren't too far off, but he has more HRS and RBIs. How about this?

Rays receive:
Tabata
Jameson Taillon
Josh Harrison 3b(one of secondary positions is 2b)

Pirates receive:
Jeremy Hellickson

Sounds fair.
(don't think they would trade him in real life, but he is on the block)

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Hellickson

At this point in time, both Tabata and Taillon are key pieces for our future. I think it is worth pointing out that Zobrist has primarily been playing right so far this year. It looks as if we are going to have to look elsewhere for some young SP. Thank you for your time and we as an organization appreciate the prompt responses.

- The Pittsburgh Pirates

[derelictojama]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

I think that was more the problem with me trying to figure out how to respond to your Demspter inquiry... and also another reason why it isn't a bad thing to have multiple representatives for each team. I feel obligated to respond to it, even though he isn't someone I would pursue with the Tigers.. in your instance and without looking back I think I remember you said Drew Smyly was severely injured, at least 2 months of rehab... but with the Tigers organizational depth I'd just say.. Adam Wilk, Jacob Turner, Andy Oliver, Paulino.. all guys that the team WOULD start, even if it was only a spot start, or a provisional few start stretch. I don't see the Tigers paying a big price to bring in a guy who if I recall correctly was 2-5 with a 4.88 ERA at the time of the negotiation in your franchise... it's all subjective, but I guess that is part of the fun in it.

For instance, I have negotiations at least being spoken of with the Rays right now. One, he has asked about Jacob Turner, and told me to look at the Rays roster and tell what I'd be interested in... when in actuality, I don't think the Tigers are ever going to think of trading Turner at this point -- and if they did the cost would be so prohibitive that most teams wouldn't do it. I'll still look at the roster -- but I'm going to have to make a huge offer to really show what I think the Tigers would consider.

Which is what I think for most teams... if you're going to get the jewel of a team's minor league system, you're going to pay through the nose...

Right, well, as far as the Dempster trade, that was initiated when I was still figuring out what to do/how to do it. If I were to go back--and I might try to redo it in a better way, I'm not really doing that here, just using the example--I might just say "How about Ryan Dempster for C Robert Brantly, 22 yrs old, D/B, currently blocked by Avila & J. McCann," and give you all of the relevant info, to which you might say, "Nope, but how about..." and then I'd either take what you offered (a couple of C prospects, say) or try another route. The open-ended way in which I proposed it seemed destined to fail. I think your point about "this is supposed to be fun" can be extended to basically mean that the majority of the work should be on the side of the PROPOSING TEAM, so that the responding GM can just look at the info provided and make a decision without having to dig through their rosters to find what might work, etc. If this becomes a situation where the GMs spend more time posting on this forum, responding to open-ended trade proposals, than they do playing their own games, it might get old fast. As cubs gm, I haven't actually had to respond to a single trade offer--who wants what we got? nobody so far--but I know that some folks (like the Tigers GM:wink have probably spent way more time on this project than the Show itself, and that might become a problem if we don't find a way to streamline our procedures--but it looks like things are evolving down that road, and people are being productive, helpful, and participatory, so I think we will get there.

As for Dempster, I don't blame you. I don't want him either! Randy Wells still has options, so for the time being I'm sending him down to AAA, putting Dempster in the long role, and putting T Wood in the rotation, and we'll see what develops as we get closer to the deadline. If I end up with him going FA, I should get a compensatory pick of some kind.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Hellickson

At this point in time, both Tabata and Taillon are key pieces for our future. I think it is worth pointing out that Zobrist has primarily been playing right so far this year. It looks as if we are going to have to look elsewhere for some young SP. Thank you for your time and we as an organization appreciate the prompt responses.

- The Pittsburgh Pirates

To: Pirates
From: Rays GM

RE: Hellickson

We would just require at least 2 A potential prospects, since Hellickson is only 23 and is one of the top pitchers in the league. It may be hard for y'all to do, but if you can, are door is always open to trades that will make us and the other team equally better!

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TBRAYS