Community Day 2013 - Gameplay - Questions/Concerns/Inquiries

[DodgerFanatic2K3]

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I checked over 20 of them didn't see one wrong pitch type, pitch listing, or velocity error.

This is an epic achievement for The Show franchise

[Jaybirdy24]

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It felt like in past years it did not seem like there was much of a difference between facing an ace or a 4-5 guy. I'd like to see ace pitchers and certain no. 2 pitchers be more dominant and tougher to face. But there always has to be once in a while where they have off games as well. Can any devs comment on this if they feel like 13 is somewhat different in this aspect. Thanks

[nomo17k]

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My impression about pitch edit is similar to others. It's not flawless (because of the game's reliance on no movement 4SFB, etc., it's just the system the game uses), but you can definitely see overall improvement. And I was cross-checking with seanjeezy's recent table... he uses an independent data derived from pitch fx, but it's considered a bit more robust than plain vanilla pitch fx.

The credit goes to seanjeezy for the pitch edit table.

[nomo17k]

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It felt like in past years it did not seem like there was much of a difference between facing an ace or a 4-5 guy. I'd like to see ace pitchers and certain no. 2 pitchers be more dominant and tougher to face. But there always has to be once in a while where they have off games as well. Can any devs comment on this if they feel like 13 is somewhat different in this aspect. Thanks

Brian@SCEA mentioned that some attributes have been recalibrated to capture wider range of performance. Exactly how much it has been widened, I have no idea and would need to find out by playing or doing more stats tracking.

[Jaybirdy24]

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Also is there more strike outs this year? Seems like I would only strike out swinging maybe once or twice a game last year. I know I could lower contact slider but it would be better if you were more prone to striking out against a dominant pitcher.

[seanjeezy]

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For example if you pull up K.Medlen's year to date pitch count/fx it looks like this in game and on MLB.com.

K.Medlen
1st= 2SFB 89 mph
2nd= CH 80 mph
3= CB 79 mph
4= 4SFB 89

Not to be a debbie downer but therein lies the problem with the f/x system... Medlen gets a considerable amount of run on his changeup so unless the regular changeup now incorporates horizontal movement, the pitch is not accurately represented in-game...



The good news is that this will be a quick fix for me... the ratings will already be in place and all that needs to be done is switch pitch types. However, misclassifications are a big concern of mine, for example f/x saying that Felix threw ~800 something changeups this year when he threw closer to 600... Since Felix's velocity was down the first couple of months, his sinker was commonly being misclassified as his changeup.

My impression about pitch edit is similar to others. It's not flawless (because of the game's reliance on no movement 4SFB, etc., it's just the system the game uses), but you can definitely see overall improvement. And I was cross-checking with seanjeezy's recent table... he uses an independent data derived from pitch fx, but it's considered a bit more robust than plain vanilla pitch fx.

The credit goes to seanjeezy for the pitch edit table.

Yeah, overall I find the unfiltered results to be good enough, but for those who are OCD about having every single pitch as accurate as possible (me lol), going the extra mile is soooo much better!

[nomo17k]

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Not to be a debbie downer but therein lies the problem with the f/x system... Medlen gets a considerable amount of run on his changeup so unless the regular changeup now incorporates horizontal movement, the pitch is not accurately represented in-game...

Right, but people are mostly responding to the pitch speed differentials though (as in Ramone's examples). Pitch movement is another issue.

[nomo17k]

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Also is there more strike outs this year? Seems like I would only strike out swinging maybe once or twice a game last year. I know I could lower contact slider but it would be better if you were more prone to striking out against a dominant pitcher.

If you strike only once or twice per game, then you are not playing at the right difficulty level. Bump it up or two...

[MrOldboy]

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If you strike only once or twice per game, then you are not playing at the right difficulty level. Bump it up or two...

Well that seems like the way to go, but in the past I've noticed that when I bump up to HOF or legend I dont see more strikeouts, I instead see a lot more weak contact. I still only strike out one to a few times a game like the other user said. Honestly I sometimes will intentionally take some strikes and even some strikeouts to make my stats seem more accurate in franchise and RTTS. Seems stupid, but I think people on here understand the feeling of wanting things to match up as in real life.

[Jaybirdy24]

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If you strike only once or twice per game, then you are not playing at the right difficulty level. Bump it up or two...

I'm just talking about striking out swinging. When I face an ace I want to feel overmatched at times.

[nomo17k]

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Yeah, overall I find the unfiltered results to be good enough, but for those who are OCD about having every single pitch as accurate as possible (me lol), going the extra mile is soooo much better!

Don't know how many pitchers you'll end up having issues with, but if it's not too many (and they are justifiable improvements), then it may not be a bad idea to talk to Lorne@SCEA as you identify the pitch type inaccuracies... However, the dev team does have a fairly robust system in place...

It's mostly an issue similar to 4SFB... quite a few pitchers throw fastball with tailing action and calling it 4SFB (where movement wise RFB is closer...) but the game doesn't give the movement once it's labeled 4SFB.

[Russell_SCEA]

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Not to be a debbie downer but therein lies the problem with the f/x system... Medlen gets a considerable amount of run on his changeup so unless the regular changeup now incorporates horizontal movement, the pitch is not accurately represented in-game...



The good news is that this will be a quick fix for me... the ratings will already be in place and all that needs to be done is switch pitch types. However, misclassifications are a big concern of mine, for example f/x saying that Felix threw ~800 something changeups this year when he threw closer to 600... Since Felix's velocity was down the first couple of months, his sinker was commonly being misclassified as his changeup.



Yeah, overall I find the unfiltered results to be good enough, but for those who are OCD about having every single pitch as accurate as possible (me lol), going the extra mile is soooo much better!

You can call MLB.com and hash all that out with them.

[seanjeezy]

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Right, but people are mostly responding to the pitch speed differentials though (as in Ramone's examples). Pitch movement is another issue.

I don't know, I always thought the main reason for having a pitch edits set was to correct the overabundance of 4-seam fastballs (which obviously will be corrected by using the f/x system), which coincides with accurately portraying the amount and type of movement a pitcher gets on his pitches...

[nomo17k]

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Well that seems like the way to go, but in the past I've noticed that when I bump up to HOF or legend I dont see more strikeouts, I instead see a lot more weak contact. I still only strike out one to a few times a game like the other user said. Honestly I sometimes will intentionally take some strikes and even some strikeouts to make my stats seem more accurate in franchise and RTTS. Seems stupid, but I think people on here understand the feeling of wanting things to match up as in real life.

Different people have different issues, so we cannot really attribute the lack of strikeouts to one and only one possible cause... I just suggested bumping up difficulty level since that's the most generic way... I don't even know at which level the poster plays.

I'm just talking about striking out swinging. When I face an ace I want to feel overmatched at times.

Again, this is somewhat related to player attribute issues.... (perhaps PCI against an ace should be reduced much more than against a scrub... that type of thing)... so we'll see how that player rating recalibration works in this years game.

But if you are only striking out once or twice in a game, then your play setting isn't really tuned well for you.

[seanjeezy]

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You can call MLB.com and hash all that out with them.

So if that's the case, there will be no circle changeups, running fastballs, 12-6 curves, sweeping curves, or slurves in the game? Because I don't see those classifications in their pitch glossary...