MLB 13 The Show Player Ratings For Every Team

[cardinalbird5]

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Does anyone know if Matt Carpenter has a secondary position for 2b? He is going to be playing there this year and is already doing so in spring training.

[Rodbird]

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Does anyone know if Matt Carpenter has a secondary position for 2b? He is going to be playing there this year and is already doing so in spring training.

As a Cardinal fan myself I'm interested in the rest of their 40 man roster. Especially Shelby Miller, Joe Kelly and Matt Adams

[3fiddy]

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[QUOTE=Cavicchi;2044753683]Absolutely! They have Harper with 78 for power against RHP while Trout (72) has both SLG and OPS higher against RHP.


This is jus for arguments sake. I think both are fantastic players. This is more to bunk slugging percentage. First thing that popped in my head was how many singles did he turn to doubles. Or triples. Hope this isn't too off base ..

Mike Trouts slash line 2012. 559 abs. 117 singles. 27 doubles. 8 triples. 30 homers.
Now I'll give my line IF BIG IF HERE Trout didn't have BLAZING speed. And enter that into the slugging calculator.

Trout 559 abs. 115singles. 25 doubles. 1 triple. 30 homers. Slugging comes to ab .513 The likes of Ian Desmond , Jason Kubel , Cory hart , Adam laroche. All of which seem like 70s power. 70s power seemed like so much more with just the bar. We just arguing cents here too

[Cavicchi]

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[QUOTE=3fiddy;2044756005]

Absolutely! They have Harper with 78 for power against RHP while Trout (72) has both SLG and OPS higher against RHP.


This is jus for arguments sake. I think both are fantastic players. This is more to bunk slugging percentage. First thing that popped in my head was how many singles did he turn to doubles. Or triples. Hope this isn't too off base ..

Mike Trouts slash line 2012. 559 abs. 117 singles. 27 doubles. 8 triples. 30 homers.
Now I'll give my line IF BIG IF HERE Trout didn't have BLAZING speed. And enter that into the slugging calculator.

Trout 559 abs. 115singles. 25 doubles. 1 triple. 30 homers. Slugging comes to ab .513 The likes of Ian Desmond , Jason Kubel , Cory hart , Adam laroche. All of which seem like 70s power. 70s power seemed like so much more with just the bar. We just arguing cents here too

I am not interested in big ifs, I like facts, statistics that are real.

[cardinalbird5]

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I agree speed helps with SLG a lot, but he still had 30 homeruns. You'd have to break it down per hit to see how many singles he turned to doubles and doubles he turned into triples. If he played the first month he'd have around 34-35 probably.

Alot what if's and I was questioning the same thing as well. You can't just look at SLG and turn that into power. You have to look at average distance ball traveled, homeruns, and IsoP.

[3fiddy]

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I agree speed helps with SLG a lot, but he still had 30 homeruns. You'd have to break it down per hit to see how many singles he turned to doubles and doubles he turned into triples. If he played the first month he'd have around 34-35 probably.

Alot what if's and I was questioning the same thing as well. You can't just look at SLG and turn that into power. You have to look at average distance ball traveled, homeruns, and IsoP.

Yes it's not a good tool at all. Really trying to show why slugging and OPS are not perfect power calculators. Trout just an example. Glad Kendrys got some love to but he's listed as a DH... I need his old defense too lol

[Cavicchi]

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I agree speed helps with SLG a lot, but he still had 30 homeruns. You'd have to break it down per hit to see how many singles he turned to doubles and doubles he turned into triples. If he played the first month he'd have around 34-35 probably.

Alot what if's and I was questioning the same thing as well. You can't just look at SLG and turn that into power. You have to look at average distance ball traveled, homeruns, and IsoP.

Trout plays home games at Anaheim and that is not a easy park to hit homeruns. Anyway, you have statistical data to show why Harper should be rated higher than Trout for power against right-handed pitchers? In the game, Harper is 78 and Trout 72 power vs. RHP.

[Cavicchi]

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I feel that something has been lost in this Harper versus Trout power rating discussion: the reality of real baseball. The homerun leader is not determined by longest average distance of homers, and Slg % leader means just that, Slugging. Then there is OPS and what that means. Trout is not playing in Wrigley Field, which I believe is homer friendly, at least more so than Anaheim.

A double is a double and so on. The leader of doubles is not broken down by speed.

[cardinalbird5]

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No but I think the reason he was arguing over that was because those "doubles" can be recreated with high contact and high speed. You don't need power for that. If you give Trout 99 power he'd have a SLG over .700 probably.

I still think he deserves at least a 90 Power though. 30 homeruns is pretty impressive, not to mention he didn't play the first month. He had a higher homerun rate than Pujols, yet I can almost bet Pujols has that 90+ power rating.

[Cavicchi]

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No but I think the reason he was arguing over that was because those "doubles" can be recreated with high contact and high speed. You don't need power for that. If you give Trout 99 power he'd have a SLG over .700 probably.

I still think he deserves at least a 90 Power though. 30 homeruns is pretty impressive, not to mention he didn't play the first month. He had a higher homerun rate than Pujols, yet I can almost bet Pujols has that 90+ power rating.

I don't know about 90, but I do believe he should be higher than Harper's 78, or lower Harper to below 72.

[SoonerSports]

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All I can say is that Harpers Avg. HR distance was longer than Trouts by almost 15-20 feet

[ParisB]

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All I can say is that Harpers Avg. HR distance was longer than Trouts by almost 15-20 feet

Trout has a much more compact swing and smashes the ball all over the field. It seems like he makes solid contact every time. The ball screams to the opposite field.

You can make the argument that Trout hits the ball harder.....Trout hit an opposite field home run that went 440' in Comerica. The power is there, and when he tries to hit home runs he can launch them with the best of them (the dude is built like a linebacker).

[nomo17k]

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I agree speed helps with SLG a lot, but he still had 30 homeruns. You'd have to break it down per hit to see how many singles he turned to doubles and doubles he turned into triples. If he played the first month he'd have around 34-35 probably.

Alot what if's and I was questioning the same thing as well. You can't just look at SLG and turn that into power. You have to look at average distance ball traveled, homeruns, and IsoP.

You cannot just look at HRs in this case. While hitting 30 HRs missing most of April looks impressive, Trout had a very good batting average, meaning he produced a lot of safe hits. If he is really powerful, many more of those safe hits would've been converted into HRs... in fact, just 16.5% (= 100 * 30 / 182) of hits were HRs for Trout. If he had the power of Adam Dunn, who had 37.3% (= 100 * 41/110) of hits in HRs, Trout would've hit 68 HRs (!) in 2012.... so you could argue that Trout reached the 30 HR mark partly because he is generally a great hitter with some but not great pop, and he had enough playing time.

When rating a player for power, you should probably look at something like HR / H or something like that, to better isolate the ability to "rake"

[cardinalbird5]

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You cannot just look at HRs in this case. While hitting 30 HRs missing most of April looks impressive, Trout had a very good batting average, meaning he produced a lot of safe hits. If he is really powerful, many more of those safe hits would've been converted into HRs... in fact, just 16.5% (= 100 * 30 / 182) of hits were HRs for Trout. If he had the power of Adam Dunn, who had 37.3% (= 100 * 41/110) of hits in HRs, Trout would've hit 68 HRs (!) in 2012.... so you could argue that Trout reached the 30 HR mark partly because he is generally a great hitter with some but not great pop, and he had enough playing time.

When rating a player for power, you should probably look at something like HR / H or something like that, to better isolate the ability to "rake"

That what I am curious about. I am not saying HR's is the only factor, but I don't think H/HR would be the best stat either. What about guys like Pujols when he'd hit .330 with 40+ HR's? Does he not deserve the 90 power either?

I am not really complaining about his attributes either as more as I am just curious. I guess I still don't understand what constitutes "contact" and "power".

[Cavicchi]

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You cannot just look at HRs in this case. While hitting 30 HRs missing most of April looks impressive, Trout had a very good batting average, meaning he produced a lot of safe hits. If he is really powerful, many more of those safe hits would've been converted into HRs... in fact, just 16.5% (= 100 * 30 / 182) of hits were HRs for Trout. If he had the power of Adam Dunn, who had 37.3% (= 100 * 41/110) of hits in HRs, Trout would've hit 68 HRs (!) in 2012.... so you could argue that Trout reached the 30 HR mark partly because he is generally a great hitter with some but not great pop, and he had enough playing time.

When rating a player for power, you should probably look at something like HR / H or something like that, to better isolate the ability to "rake"

I would put it another way, Trout has power and can hit for average.

What is this game using to calculate power rating?