2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[frazza]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

All-Star break coming up in my franchise with the Cubs, currently in end of June and looking to trade some of the older guys for potential prospects. I have 30-team control on so what I'm looking for is first and foremost fairness.

I saw K_mac did a move looking like this in his Dynasty here on the forum:

Soriano to the Yankees (they are currently 13.5 games behind) for catcher Austin Romine (C pot) and pitchers Dellin Betances and Corey Black (both C pot)

I wanna trade Soriano, Marmol and maybe Garza.

Can you guys please help me with some potential trades?

[hradekbr]

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How do we, in general, value Kaleb Cowart of the Angels? A low B?

Ehh that's probably fair

[Totte]

All-Star break coming up in my franchise with the Cubs, currently in end of June and looking to trade some of the older guys for potential prospects. I have 30-team control on so what I'm looking for is first and foremost fairness.

I saw K_mac did a move looking like this in his Dynasty here on the forum:

Soriano to the Yankees (they are currently 13.5 games behind) for catcher Austin Romine (C pot) and pitchers Dellin Betances and Corey Black (both C pot)

I wanna trade Soriano, Marmol and maybe Garza.

Can you guys please help me with some potential trades?

What teams are in contention and could use a DH/LF (Soriano), a closer/setup man (Marmol) and solid middle of the rotation arm (Garza)?

[frazza]

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teams in contention:
Phillies
Nationals
Braves

Brewers
Reds
cardinals
pirates

Rockies
Diamondbacks
Dodgers
Giants

Blue Jays

White sox
Tigers
Royals
Indians
Twins

Angels
Athletics
Rangers

[AC]

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Alright heres some data for you about each SS you have listed up there, Reyes has a high BABIP of .353 had a walk rate of 7% in his career year and and a career high ISO of .156 and that was way above his average. LOL at Hardy, ya I'll take that career 5% walk rate with a 15% K rate. (sounds like Castro a little.) Well he only hits .230-.240 with a OBP barely over .300. 22 bombs is impressive but Castro hit 14 and he stol 20 + more bases. Simmons has been up for not even a year and has hit .260 and has a .88 ISO. Yikes dude might want to consider changing that ranking, even if his defense is one of the best at SS. Castro's UZR last year was better than Furcal, Reyes, A Cab, and Mr. Jeter. O did I not mention he's younger than every player mentioned including Simmons who made his debut 2 years older than the age at which Castro made his. I rest my case that he is a top 3 SS in baseball right now

Okay, I try not to correct grammar on here, but I'm really tired and that's a wall of text I can't read. If you use paragraphs and stuff I'll try but I'm just dead tired and don't have the energy. Sorry for being an *** but I'm just too tired lol.

Using ISO as a baseline stat. Come now, at least use a less flawed stat.

Castro is good and has potential but he's not "top 3 SS" in the league.

If building a team would I take him? Yes but that is based more on age than anything else.

+1

Responses in bold. BTW, this is probably the "hottest" debate of the thread so far.

I LOVE debates.

1.) There's a difference between speaking in absolutes and probabilities.

2.) Yeah, that's why I agreed re: durability. You don't need to convince me here, man. 2.)B) 20.2 LD%

3.) I'm not discounting hits, I'm saying you're overvaluing them. Hits are what, getting on base? Yes. Well, getting on base has other aspects that Castro can't do. Yet, I guess.

4.) Lol, he had a 3 DRS after a -10 DRS the year before. Yeah, he's getting more chances, but how many more chances? Is it really that more significant? Like, a lot of the things you're naming increase with fielding opportunities, i.e. DPs (especially with Barney). But ugh, I give up, man, you gotta look past your fandom here, and stop tossing ENTIRE STATISTICS out the window because you disagree with them on one player.

5.) HRs aren't the only kind of power. And that's a HUGE if, by the way.

6.) .250ish...? Yeah, he definitely didn't hit .270, and he definitely didn't have a .352 wOBA. No sir. And no, we're discussing current playing ability, future isn't taken into account lol.

7.) I do that a lot lol, just blank sometimes. Always gotta check the stats haha. Once again, hits =/= everything.

8.) If I ignored injuries for Derek ****ing JETER I'm gonna do it for Reyes, lol. Ah crap, sorry, I was making edits and confused myself before I had to sprint out the door. I was late for class anyways. ALL YOUR FAULT haha.

I've been watching this debate for a bit and I have to say that isn't in the top 3 SS in the league, but I would solidly put him in that next teir of shorstops.

Okay, I'm too tired to really respond to what you said, but I agree with this and I agree your rankings to a certain extent.

How do we, in general, value Kaleb Cowart of the Angels? A low B?

To build off this, would Mark Buehrle for Cowart work? He pitched quite well in a HR suppressing park last year.

[BlueJays09]

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OK I know this is the trade discussion thread but I have a question regarding a re-sign and I know you guys are very knowledgeable minds here so what better place to ask.

I am looking to re-sign Cano to a long term contract...he wants to stay in Toronto (according to my story), so I was looking at a 8-10 year deal. He is mashing so far in 1 month of the season batting over .400, 12HR and like 30 something RBI. Dude has been a terror.

What is a fair price value to sign him for. He makes 12 M this year so I was thinking maybe 15 for the next 3 years then down to 11 for 3 years and maybe 8-10 for the final 3 years giving him a 9yr/108M contract...Would this be to high/low or just right for Cano, and if you say high/low what are your suggestions for editing it. Toronto is famous for long term deals so why not do it for my best bat.

Thanks guys. If you want to check out my dynasty to get a better understanding of my lineup, or Cano's stats check it out (link in sig below).

[AC]

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Please, use a different thread, that's not remotely on topic.

[hawks223]

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First of all check your facts before you even make a comment because he's hit .300 twice before in his career......

Maybe you should read what I actually said before such a quick response. I said as long as he keeps ramping up his swing he will never hit .300. Last year he definitely ramped up his swing an it affected his average. I believe he was down around 20 points total. Obviously I know what he hit his first 2 years. When he was just worried about making contact, and doing what he does best. Hitting singles.

[AC]

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Maybe you should read what I actually said before such a quick response. I said as long as he keeps ramping up his swing he will never hit .300. Last year he definitely ramped up his swing an it affected his average. I believe he was down around 20 points total. Obviously I know what he hit his first 2 years. When he was just worried about making contact, and doing what he does best. Hitting singles.

I would assume this had an impact on the 30 point BABIP drop. He hit the same amount of flyballs as 2011 last year, which wouldn't fit the narrative, but he did hit more infield fly balls, so meh, there's that.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Oh boy, the Great Starlin Castro Debate of 2013 rages on, eh? lol. Even though I want badly to respond to the "singles-hitter" comment being ridiculous for a 20-22 y/o with 55 XBHs in back-to-back seasons before filling out, I am not going back there...

Alright, guys, help me complete my trading season in year 1 of my Astros 'chise. I'm near the ASB, and I've come in and made quite a few moves remaking the roster as I want it, while still preserving a semblance of the original team (20 of the 40-man original Astros at the start of 2013 remain).

Anyway, players I have yet to move, but want desperately to do so: Carlos Pena (contract), Jordan Lyles, and Jason Castro. While I wanted both Lyles and Castro to stay with the team, I can't for the life of me do anything good (or even replacement level) with them in game. I am 50:50 on moving Phil Humber since he's performing for me and isn't expensive. Maybe a waiver-deal if I fall out of contention. I am also willing to deal 3B prospect Rio Ruiz, if it helps net something decent. He's blocked pretty badly by Mike Olt, so he's there to sweeten the pot.

Relevant Stats

1B Carlos Pena: .197 / .267 / .418 17 2B, 5 3B, 13 HR, 44 RBI, flawless defense

C Jason Castro: .138 / .222 / .163 1 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 12 RBI

SP Jordan Lyles (AAA): 17 GS, 3.10 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 77:26 K:BB, .259 BAA

3B Rio Ruiz (AA, B-pot): .222 / .283 / .333 11 2B, 1 3B, 4 HR, 19 RBI

I realize Carlos Pena and Jason Castro would be selling low. Jason Castro's stats are awful because I just can't hit with the guy.

I am mainly wanting to add a bat with some pop that can play 1B or a corner OF spot. I'd also like a ho-hum C and a bullpen arm if possible.

Guys I have been looking into:

1B/OF: Brandon Belt: .220 / .261 / .301 4 HR, 35 RBI; Giants are 43-43, 3.5 GB NL West

1B: Matt Adams (AAA): .280 / .346 / .417 8 HR, 38 RBI; Cardinals are 49-37, 1st in NL Central

RP: Kenley Jansen: 2.78 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 36:3 K:BB, .240 BAA, 2 SV/4SVO; Dodgers are 41-44, 5 GB NL West

OF: Josh Reddick: .264 / .315 / .511 23 HR, 55 RBI; Oakland is 38-49, 17 GB AL West, 9.5 GB 2nd WC

See any potential fits? Or can you see someone else I should pursue in a trade? If it helps, the Mets, A's, Mariners, Blue Jays, Rays, Royals, Marlins, and Pirates are basically out of contention completely. Thanks and apologies for the length of the post.

[nowitsourtime]

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Please, use a different thread, that's not remotely on topic.

There's so much irony in this post

Here's all I have to say about Castro. He was brought up in a trade with Tavares. Obviously Tavares hasn't played a single MLB game yet and Castro is still young. This trade is based on how they can perform at their position. While I agree with your sentiment that Tavares has more potential to be a better player, Castro already has MLB experience and can be an impact player at a position where impact players are hard to come by. Not to mention the fact he would help the cardinals contend right now, since Pete Kozma is currently their starting SS.

I don't thin Castro+high B would be really far-fetched for Tavares, especially since their Trade values are similar.

[AC]

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Relevant Stats

1B Carlos Pena: .197 / .267 / .418 17 2B, 5 3B, 13 HR, 44 RBI, flawless defense

C Jason Castro: .138 / .222 / .163 1 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 12 RBI

SP Jordan Lyles (AAA): 17 GS, 3.10 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 77:26 K:BB, .259 BAA

3B Rio Ruiz (AA, B-pot): .222 / .283 / .333 11 2B, 1 3B, 4 HR, 19 RBI

You're not gonna get much for anyone but Lyles, who I think you could get a nice amount back for.

I am mainly wanting to add a bat with some pop that can play 1B or a corner OF spot. I'd also like a ho-hum C and a bullpen arm if possible.

Ho-hum catcher with a reliever and bat with pop that can play corner OF? Cincinnati Reds, my good gent!

Todd Frazier, Ryan Hanigan/Devin Mesoraco, and a guy like J.J. Hoover could work really well for you.

Guys I have been looking into:

1B/OF: Brandon Belt: .220 / .261 / .301 4 HR, 35 RBI; Giants are 43-43, 3.5 GB NL West

1B: Matt Adams (AAA): .280 / .346 / .417 8 HR, 38 RBI; Cardinals are 49-37, 1st in NL Central

RP: Kenley Jansen: 2.78 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 36:3 K:BB, .240 BAA, 2 SV/4SVO; Dodgers are 41-44, 5 GB NL West

OF: Josh Reddick: .264 / .315 / .511 23 HR, 55 RBI; Oakland is 38-49, 17 GB AL West, 9.5 GB 2nd WC

You're not getting Reddick, let's state that now.

Adams is interesting, but don't you have Singleton?

Jansen isn't getting moved either, imo.

Belt is a good option for you, but, hey, Singleton. I still think the Reds are a great, great fit for what you're looking for.

There's so much irony in this post

Technically, this Castro debate is directly relevant to his trade value.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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You're not gonna get much for anyone but Lyles, who I think you could get a nice amount back for.

Ho-hum catcher with a reliever and bat with pop that can play corner OF? Cincinnati Reds, my good gent!

Todd Frazier, Ryan Hanigan/Devin Mesoraco, and a guy like J.J. Hoover could work really well for you.

Hmmm..I like that package from Cincy. Reds are 46-41 (3.5 GB NL Central, and currently in 2nd wild card position). Would that hurt the chances of them dealing any of said players?

J.J. Hoover (MLB): 6-2, 58.1 IP (!!), 4.94 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 54:15 K:BB, middle relief
Todd Frazier (MLB): .252 / .318 / .357 5 HR, 25 RBI, starting 3Bman
Ryan Hanigan (MLB): .201 / .297 / .256 1 HR, 19m RBI, starting C

I suppose Jack Hannahan (AAA) could play 3rd if Frazier gets dealt. And Mesoraco would probably be better as the starting C anyway. Hoover is probably replaceable since they have Ondrusek, Masset, and Clay Hensley at AAA.

I really like this deal in principle. My only qualm would be that I wish Hanigan or Frazier batted lefty. Ok, I guess my other qualm is that's like 5-7 different B's (depending on Hoover's value) that would need to be sent to CIN. If I send Lyles and Ruiz and Castro, I think I come up short still.

I was looking at a possibly a more affordable deal with SFG, something like this:

Giants trade: 1B/OF Brandon Belt + C Hector Sanchez + OF Gary Brown + RP George Kontos/Steve Edelfsen (both relievers are currently in AAA)

Astros trade: SP Jordan Lyles + 3B Rio Ruiz + 1B Carlos Pena + RP Kyle McClellan

My thinking is the Giants could use more power from the left side, and Pena is actually an upgrade over Belt in that regard. Plus, Pena could fill their Aubrey Huff role. Their closer Romo has been pitiful with a 5+ ERA and 12 SV with 7 BS, so McClellan could step in and close possibly. Lyles could replace Zito (3-9 5.12 ERA, 1.54 WHIP) this year or next...and he'd be awesome in that pitcher's cave that is ATT Park. Ruiz is mostly to pay for Gary Brown. This may be a slight overpay on my part. Anyone have opinions on this?

Then all I'd have to do is parlay Jason Castro into a reliever I feel could be a makeshift closer. And my dealing would be done....

[royals19]

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I've always wondered what the Royals would have to give up to get David Price. He was commonly referred to in rumors this past winter prior to the James Shields trade.

I'm thinking they'd have to give up one of Gordon, Butler, Salvy, Hosmer or Moustakas plus prospects like John Lamb, Orlando Calixate, Cam Gallagher and potentially someone like Yordano Ventura, probably more.

I don't want to pull of something like this in my dynasty unless I absolutely have to. I was just curious about what everyone else thought a good package the Royals could offer for Price.

[AC]

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I really like this deal in principle.

I really think it could happen. Send them Dominiguez and Folty or Lyles and I think it'd be done.

Giants trade: 1B/OF Brandon Belt + C Hector Sanchez + OF Gary Brown + RP George Kontos/Steve Edelfsen (both relievers are currently in AAA)

Astros trade: SP Jordan Lyles + 3B Rio Ruiz + 1B Carlos Pena + RP Kyle McClellan

How is SFG's rotation doing? I think replacing Lyles with Zito would make this trade worth but IMO you could get back something else instead of Kontos/Edelfsen.

Granted, I don't like the idea of having Hector Sanchez as an every day catcher at an important position. Why don't you go for Jeff Mathis? Beauty framer, good defensively, all around meh. I really like him.

You could get Ceshek, from Miami, too, as a makeshift closer, but I don't think Castro would be included in that; you're better off keeping him.

I've always wondered what the Royals would have to give up to get David Price.

It'd be a combination of...

Salvy, Hosmer, Gordon, Starling, Ventura, Modesi, Lamb, Brickhouse.

Probably pick 4 of those guys. Salvy would be in any deal, though, no matter what.