Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread
Mehmeh, too lazy to split this into multi quotes. Responses in bold here. Let me preface this by saying that I'm actually a bigger Cubs fan than most realize. They're my NL team so to speak.
I don't think Arenado AND Pomeranz would be dealt for ANOTHER huge contract, but an aging 1B nonetheless.
Mehmeh, too lazy to split this into multi quotes. Responses in bold here. Let me preface this by saying that I'm actually a bigger Cubs fan than most realize. They're my NL team so to speak.
Cubs fan here, so take this with a grain of salt, but Starlin Castro is absolutely worth Oscar Taveras and then some. IMO, Castro might be the best SS in baseball 2-3 years from now. The guy's a hitting machine who will probably end up in the 20-25 HR range, while threatening .300+ every season. He can also steal 25 bases. So, we've got a 25/25 potential SS...and that's not worth a top prospect? Seems like you could have your pick of the litter for a guy like that.
Castro also has a .329 wOBA over his career. The dude doesn't get on base. 5.1BB%. .129 ISO. But HITZ, amirite?
Throw in his youth (22), his accomplishments (ROY votes, hits champ already), the positional adjustment, and the fact that the error numbers don't really tell the story of how much his defense is improving. Go ahead and try to find a player (not named Robin Yount) faster to 500 hits than Castro.
Voting means nothing. Hit champ with a .344 BABIP? And his defense improved from "Arencibian" to "Cedenoian." Not exactly great.
And if you don't believe me, look at the spreadsheet. Castro is mid A + high B + high B. Taveras is what an A? So, we're still looking for 2 B's to send to the Cubs...
Tavares is a high A. He is not worth Tavares.
Now where this trade breaks down is with realism. There isn't any realism. The Cubs and Cards aren't trading, even on a minor deal, and Castro would NEVER EVER EVER be sent to St. Louis.
This is true.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT..
What's with the couple of guys who don't participate at all in this thread to help/contribute, but only come out of the woodwork to slam potential deals and tell people how unrealistic/stupid they are? I don't get that. There can be some of that, but if that's 100% of your contribution here, you're basically being a d!ck and needn't spend time here. And if you don't want to be a d!ck about it, try at least counter-proposing something so the person has something to work with or at least logically explaining your reasoning...not just prospect X would NOT be traded for player X...nuff said. This thread, in my opinion, is about feedback. Remember, not every poster has exhaustive knowledge of every player in the game. And I think the thread creator mentioned CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. It's not to show off how smart or more into realism you think you are. /end rant
Let's not go there because I don't want the banhammer dropped and technically telling someone their trade sucks is contributing.
Not gonna go further than this but a bit more positivity couldn't hurt.
Castro also has a .329 wOBA over his career. The dude doesn't get on base. 5.1BB%. .129 ISO. But HITZ, amirite?
Throw in his youth (22), his accomplishments (ROY votes, hits champ already), the positional adjustment, and the fact that the error numbers don't really tell the story of how much his defense is improving. Go ahead and try to find a player (not named Robin Yount) faster to 500 hits than Castro.
Voting means nothing. Hit champ with a .344 BABIP? And his defense improved from "Arencibian" to "Cedenoian." Not exactly great.
And if you don't believe me, look at the spreadsheet. Castro is mid A + high B + high B. Taveras is what an A? So, we're still looking for 2 B's to send to the Cubs...
Tavares is a high A. He is not worth Tavares.
Now where this trade breaks down is with realism. There isn't any realism. The Cubs and Cards aren't trading, even on a minor deal, and Castro would NEVER EVER EVER be sent to St. Louis.
This is true.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT..
What's with the couple of guys who don't participate at all in this thread to help/contribute, but only come out of the woodwork to slam potential deals and tell people how unrealistic/stupid they are? I don't get that. There can be some of that, but if that's 100% of your contribution here, you're basically being a d!ck and needn't spend time here. And if you don't want to be a d!ck about it, try at least counter-proposing something so the person has something to work with or at least logically explaining your reasoning...not just prospect X would NOT be traded for player X...nuff said. This thread, in my opinion, is about feedback. Remember, not every poster has exhaustive knowledge of every player in the game. And I think the thread creator mentioned CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. It's not to show off how smart or more into realism you think you are. /end rant
Let's not go there because I don't want the banhammer dropped and technically telling someone their trade sucks is contributing.
Not gonna go further than this but a bit more positivity couldn't hurt.
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