2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Deuce2223]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Okay so I just finished the Draft in 2014 of my M's Franchise and both
KC and Oakland are over their budget so they can't sign draft picks. With the draft over, I went ahead and fired their scouts rehiring cheaper ones, but they still need help.

Here are trades I came up with

KC- Gives OF Josh Willingham (74B) (acquired him last year to play RF, currently batting .216 with 3 HR's but did have 29 HR's last year), CP G. Holland (91B) who had 38 saves last year and has 16 so far his year and RP A. Crow (87A) went 10-2 last year with a 2.54 ERA, is 2-0 with a 2.34 ERA this year.

Mets- Gives SP N. Synderguard (77A) but buried in AAA, and is 4-4 with a 5.20 ERA in 62 IP. SP L. Mateo (75B) also in AAA and is 2-2 with a 5.80 ERA in 32 IP, CP A. Meo (69B) (acquired in the Rule 5 draft from Arizona) who is 0-3 with a 4.74 ERA in 12 IP and 2B W. Flores (76B) batting .215 in 37 MLB AB's.

Basically in my mind KC gets a young CP to take over for Holland, 2 young SP's to take over the rotation this year or next year for Guthrie and Davis and a 2B who could challenge for the starting spot.

New York gets a closer, so Parnell can go back to being the 8th inning guy or become trade bait, Crow become the other setup guy giving them a very good late inning trifecta, and Willingham gives them a OF and another power bat to go with Wright and Davis in the lineup.?

Other thoughts were adding Dyson to the deal to give New York a CF and leadoff guy?

What are your's to much, not enough, add or subtract who? Also this deal gives KC 6.36 mil in cap space, and New York still has 8.36 mil after the trade.

[rjackson]

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Quick question to see what you guys say--I'm thinking about Josh Vitters. IRL, he has little to no value. However, in my rosters, ZiPS projections were pretty nice to him and he is a decent B and a decent hitter. So, it would be realistic to give the Cubbies not much for him...but wouldn't feel like you are cheating the CPU since it doesn't know his IRL value?

[Deuce2223]

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The next trade involves Oakland and Colorado.

Oakland gives 1B B. Moss (85B) .271 7 HR 19 RBI this year, .276 24 HR 69 RBI last year. SP T. Milone (88A) 4-5 3.48 ERA this year, 11-11 3.38 ERA last year, and SS J. Lowrie(87B) .261 10 HR 36 RBI this year.


Colorado gives 2B J. Rutledge (84B) .269 6 HR 21 RBI this year, .253 14 HR 56 RBI last year, SP C. Friedrich (79B) 2-5 5.63 ERA this year, 5-8 6.23 ERA last year, SP D. Pomeranz (78A) 3-2 3.72 ERA this year (pitched in AAA last year), and SP/CP J. Aquino 1-2 17 Saves in AAA.

My thoughts are Oakland get's 2 young SP's to put in their rotation as their were not going to be able to resign Milone, Parker and Anderson, after signing M. Garza in the offseason. Rutledge goes into a platoon with Weeks and Sizemore at 2B/DH well Nakajima takes over SS fulltime. and Aquino gives them either a potential CP at the MLB level or can move back into the rotation as well.

Colorado gets a starting 1B who can pound HR's, Lowrie who can either take over at 2B for Rutledge or play a UTL role filling in at 3B and SS as well, and Milone who instantly becomes their #1 SP, moving Chacin to the #2 spot and Erasmo Ramirez (acquired last year from Seattle) to the #3. They still have Nicasio,Matzek,Volstad,Chatwood and Butler to battle it out for the #4 and #5 spots.


To much, not enough, add or subtract who or what?

The deal gives Oakland about 3 mil in cap space, but still leaves Colorado with 5.53

[rjackson]

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Okay so I just finished the Draft in 2014 of my M's Franchise and both
KC and Oakland are over their budget so they can't sign draft picks. With the draft over, I went ahead and fired their scouts rehiring cheaper ones, but they still need help.

Here are 2 trades I came up with

KC- Gives OF Josh Willingham (74B) (acquired him last year to play RF, currently batting .216 with 3 HR's but did have 29 HR's last year), CP G. Holland (91B) who had 38 saves last year and has 16 so far his year and RP A. Crow (87A) went 10-2 last year with a 2.54 ERA, is 2-0 with a 2.34 ERA this year.

Mets- Gives SP N. Synderguard (77A) but buried in AAA, and is 4-4 with a 5.20 ERA in 62 IP. SP L. Mateo (75B) also in AAA and is 2-2 with a 5.80 ERA in 32 IP, CP A. Meo (69B) (acquired in the Rule 5 draft from Arizona) who is 0-3 with a 4.74 ERA in 12 IP and 2B W. Flores (76B) batting .215 in 37 MLB AB's.

Basically in my mind KC gets a young CP to take over for Holland, 2 young SP's to take over the rotation this year or next year for Guthrie and Davis and a 2B who could challenge for the starting spot.

New York gets a closer, so Parnell can go back to being the 8th inning guy or become trade bait, Crow become the other setup guy giving them a very good late inning trifecta, and Willingham gives them a OF and another power bat to go with Wright and Davis in the lineup.?

Other thoughts were adding Dyson to the deal to give New York a CF and leadoff guy?

I mostly like it, but can't you also just wait until the offseason to sign the draft choices or did that change in the game like it did IRL? I think NYM likes Parnell, tbh. Also, if they are taking on that much salary, Syndergaard would be off of the table and Willingham's value is hurt by salary and performance. If Flores is not more than marginally better than KC's other 2B options, they wouldn't really want him.

So, Willingham+Crow for Mateo+Meo? That's my initial thought, but it feels like another low-B should be in there going to KC as well...

I don't really like the COL/OAK one though. Is shipping off Moss enough to clear space? Maybe to a team that might need a 1B at that time--CWS with Konerko retiring? Who's contending and could use a Millone? You could look for a Parker and Cahill type deal that they did in the past with ARZ.

[Deuce2223]

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Quick question to see what you guys say--I'm thinking about Josh Vitters. IRL, he has little to no value. However, in my rosters, ZiPS projections were pretty nice to him and he is a decent B and a decent hitter. So, it would be realistic to give the Cubbies not much for him...but wouldn't feel like you are cheating the CPU since it doesn't know his IRL value?

I am a Cubs fan. I really liked Vitters when we drafted him, but the fact is he just hasn't panned out. Similar to when the Rays to T. Beckham #1 Overall in 08.

What team are you using? The Cubs need a 3B, so maybe a swap of underperforming 3B prospect? or if you have a decent catching prospect, I could see them needing that, and then there is always pitching, but without knowing what team you are using hard to give thoughts.

[Deuce2223]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I mostly like it, but can't you also just wait until the offseason to sign the draft choices or did that change in the game like it did IRL? I think NYM likes Parnell, tbh. Also, if they are taking on that much salary, Syndergaard would be off of the table and Willingham's value is hurt by salary and performance. If Flores is not more than marginally better than KC's other 2B options, they wouldn't really want him.

So, Willingham+Crow for Mateo+Meo? That's my initial thought, but it feels like another low-B should be in there going to KC as well...

I edited my post to include how much cap space both team would have after the deal. Flores is putting up similar #'s as the Royals current 2B (C. Getz who is 30 with C POT), so Flores would represent being the future 2B.

Was thinking of swapping out Syndergarrd for Jenrry Mejia who is currently the #5 SP for the Mets. Mejia is a 72 with B potential, so makes more sense that they would be willing to part with him and make Syndergaard their #5

[rjackson]

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I am a Cubs fan. I really liked Vitters when we drafted him, but the fact is he just hasn't panned out. Similar to when the Rays to T. Beckham #1 Overall in 08.

What team are you using? The Cubs need a 3B, so maybe a swap of underperforming 3B prospect? or if you have a decent catching prospect, I could see them needing that, and then there is always pitching, but without knowing what team you are using hard to give thoughts.

I don't mean that I am trying to obtain Vitters, just that I was thinking about him and using him as an example. The main point of the question is that he is not good IRL but is good in the game so doesn't it feel like cheating the CPU to obtain him for peanuts? Make sense?

[Deuce2223]

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I don't mean that I am trying to obtain Vitters, just that I was thinking about him and using him as an example. The main point of the question is that he is not good IRL but is good in the game so doesn't it feel like cheating the CPU to obtain him for peanuts? Make sense?

Makes sense, but again, well yes his Overall and Pot might look on paper, my question would be how is he actually performing in the game, because in my Franchise he is actually putting up #'s like hitting .210 with 0 HR's and 8 RBI in 124 AB's last season, and is hitting .237 with 2 HR and 6 RBI in 59 AB's this season, so those #'s to me would say a bag of peanuts would be a good trade.

[G3no_11]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

The next trade involves Oakland and Colorado.

Oakland gives 1B B. Moss (85B) .271 7 HR 19 RBI this year, .276 24 HR 69 RBI last year. SP T. Milone (88A) 4-5 3.48 ERA this year, 11-11 3.38 ERA last year, and SS J. Lowrie(87B) .261 10 HR 36 RBI this year.


Colorado gives 2B J. Rutledge (84B) .269 6 HR 21 RBI this year, .253 14 HR 56 RBI last year, SP C. Friedrich (79B) 2-5 5.63 ERA this year, 5-8 6.23 ERA last year, SP D. Pomeranz (78A) 3-2 3.72 ERA this year (pitched in AAA last year), and SP/CP J. Aquino 1-2 17 Saves in AAA.

It makes sense, but I don't like it from the realism side of it. The Rockies aren't a team that are going to shop Pomeranz who is performing pretty well and Rutledge who isn't doing too bad, for a deal that is going to add salary.

They would much rather save money and keep Pomeranz instead of getting Milone who is probably going to be gone in free agency after the season or be more expensive.

[AC]

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KC- Gives OF Josh Willingham (74B) (acquired him last year to play RF, currently batting .216 with 3 HR's but did have 29 HR's last year), CP G. Holland (91B) who had 38 saves last year and has 16 so far his year and RP A. Crow (87A) went 10-2 last year with a 2.54 ERA, is 2-0 with a 2.34 ERA this year.

Mets- Gives SP N. Synderguard (77A) but buried in AAA, and is 4-4 with a 5.20 ERA in 62 IP. SP L. Mateo (75B) also in AAA and is 2-2 with a 5.80 ERA in 32 IP, CP A. Meo (69B) (acquired in the Rule 5 draft from Arizona) who is 0-3 with a 4.74 ERA in 12 IP and 2B W. Flores (76B) batting .215 in 37 MLB AB's.

The Mets are giving an absolutely unfathomable amount. No. You're heavily undervaluing how much impact Synder has here. Mateo is extremely solid too, as is Meo, and Flores is a really nice prospect. WAY too much

Quick question to see what you guys say--I'm thinking about Josh Vitters. IRL, he has little to no value. However, in my rosters, ZiPS projections were pretty nice to him and he is a decent B and a decent hitter. So, it would be realistic to give the Cubbies not much for him...but wouldn't feel like you are cheating the CPU since it doesn't know his IRL value?

This is why the spreadsheet isn't really the end all be all and we ask for stats. It depends on his stats, honestly.

Oakland gives 1B B. Moss (85B) .271 7 HR 19 RBI this year, .276 24 HR 69 RBI last year. SP T. Milone (88A) 4-5 3.48 ERA this year, 11-11 3.38 ERA last year, and SS J. Lowrie(87B) .261 10 HR 36 RBI this year.


Colorado gives 2B J. Rutledge (84B) .269 6 HR 21 RBI this year, .253 14 HR 56 RBI last year, SP C. Friedrich (79B) 2-5 5.63 ERA this year, 5-8 6.23 ERA last year, SP D. Pomeranz (78A) 3-2 3.72 ERA this year (pitched in AAA last year), and SP/CP J. Aquino 1-2 17 Saves in AAA.

Okay, now this one's a bit more fair, but I think the A's are giving a tad too much and the realism aspect probably isn't there.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Can someone who plays 2k *dramatic camera pan to WTNY* PM me with instructions on prospect equivalencies throughout our game?

Like 5 star = high A, 4 1/2 = mid A, etc. No clue what the 2k equivalents are but could use a PM.

Also, bluejaysfan65, I'ma PM you later with some stuff I'd like you to add to the OP in the other thread, including the above.

Well, it's pretty straightforward mostly.

There are no 1/2 stars. Only integers, so:

5 star = A
4 star = B
3 star = C
2 star = D
1 star = F

Now, that's all nice and dandy, but the high and low is where it gets dicey.

2K has trending arrows, so you could see a 4-star potential, but the guy is only at 2 stars now and he's trending up (i.e. a really young prospect). You could also see a 4-star pot. at 2 stars with no trend arrow or one pointing down. That means he's either on the downside of his career or never made his pot.

So what does all this mean? Not much.

There isn't a way to recreate the high/low thing from the SHOW in 2K.

You can approximate it with the trend arrows. If a guy has 4 star pot. and his trend arrow is still climbing, you could call that a "high B." If a guy has 4-star pot. with no arrow that's a "mid B", and pointing down could be a "low B." Just know that this trend arrow might only have a little bit to do with how high into the B or A range a player will go. In other words, the arrow just indicates the direction the player's progression is going, but not the magnitude. So, not much of a vector (always wanted to drop that in a convo).

I suppose one could use a combo of age and overall, but someone would have to develop that scale. I just basically use the spreadsheet values as is without regard for the star system in 2K. I find that to be the easiest way. For guys not on the spreadsheet, like 2K generated rookies, then I use the star system.

I don't mean that I am trying to obtain Vitters, just that I was thinking about him and using him as an example. The main point of the question is that he is not good IRL but is good in the game so doesn't it feel like cheating the CPU to obtain him for peanuts? Make sense?

Best way is to use the Hybrid sets and edit Vitters down to the lump he really is.

[Bluejaysfan65]

Also, bluejaysfan65, I'ma PM you later with some stuff I'd like you to add to the OP in the other thread, including the above.

Not sure if I didn't get the PM or you didn't send it but just an FYI, I didn't get a PM from you.

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[05rangers]

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Playing as the Rangers and I'm looking for Pitching upgrades. I'm only looking for fair and not realistic

[TheNumber35]

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Playing as the Rangers and I'm looking for Pitching upgrades. I'm only looking for fair and not realistic

Well Matt Garza to the Rangers has been discussed a lot in this thread (I think), that may be a good place to start. I forget the exact value you'd have to give up that's been given but using the search function may help.

David Price would be more expensive, but its another option that's been discussed ad nauseum in here and a search may help you find the values that previously have been agreed upon.


EDIT: Garza to the Rangers may not have been discussed as much as I thought, coulda sworn I saw it in here somewhere...

[05rangers]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Well Matt Garza to the Rangers has been discussed a lot in this thread (I think), that may be a good place to start. I forget the exact value you'd have to give up that's been given but using the search function may help.

David Price would be more expensive, but its another option that's been discussed ad nauseum in here and a search may help you find the values that previously have been agreed upon.


EDIT: Garza to the Rangers may not have been discussed as much as I thought, coulda sworn I saw it in here somewhere...

Ahh ok. Ya I did some research, and could find a lot about Garza but I've never pitched with Garza, I may have to do a practice game with him. I've though of going after lee or sale but I'm not sold sale could had. I thought of lee and simmed before with him but he drops way down to 85 by the end of the year. I just don't see the value in that. I haven't really Used Price but I'm thinking of him or going after Stanton. If I did Stanton I could add Garza and lock him up in the off season