2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[rjackson]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Im playing with the astros and im currently at the ASB and im looking to move the following players

Bud Norris - 4-9 3.56 era 86k in 113.2 IP
Travis Blackley - 4-2 3.53era 33k in 63.2 IP
Jose Veras 1-2 3.98 era 30k in 31.2 IP (i signed brian wilson to be the closer)
Carlos Pena - .235 avg 71 hits 18 hr and 61 rbi in 302 ab
Eric Bedard 7-6 3.40 era 74k 111.1 IP
Pedro Ciriaco .236 avg 35 hits 3 hrs 13 rbi in 148 ab (To the twins, Mets or Rockies Tulo is out for a month ?)

Im currently sitting in last place ( Not a surprise) 13 games behind so im pretty much out of it . The contending teams are as follows... Red Soxs ,Royals, Angels, Mariners, Athletics, Rays, Nationals, Philles, Reds, Brewers, Diamond Backs, Giants, Dodgers. Im looking for an everyday SS and RF as well as some help in the pen since the only bright spots have been Brian Wilson, Paul Clemens and Jose Valdez as well as prospects.

Thanks and sorry for the long post.

Moore from WAS and Ryan and relief from SEA? Realistic but any interest on your part?

[nowitsourtime]

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It's June 13th, and my mets are 29-36 (playing all 162)
My bullpen can't close a game down for our lives and the beard lost his mojo
I need a shutdown arm out of the pen
Everyone is availible besides wright, Davis, duda, wheeler, Harvey, Parnell, EYJ, and niese.
Any suggestions?

It's probably a little early in your 'chise to get a real dominant bullpen guy. If you wait another month you could add a solid closer or setup man if a team is out of contention.

He's right about waiting but I'm gonna throw out some names:

Jesse Crain, Glen Perkins, Jose Veras, Steve Cishek, Luke Gregerson, Rex Brothers

Hey guys I am looking at options for a trade when this season is over. I am the Jays as most of you know and I took Rios as a rental to go for the title this year. After the season and playoffs are over I was planning on shipping him out to the Pirates. They need a RF bad and they also need a 1B since Sanchez is hitting below .200 and Jones is around .220. I have Ty Wigginton who I haven't used much but he would provide 1B/DH (NL DH as well) depth for PIT. Here are some stats:

Rios (90 Overall, high B) - .281, 11 HR, 47 RBI, 33 R, 18 SB (138 games)
Wigginton (74 overall, high C) - .235, 20 HR, 58 RBI (93 games AAA)

I like Russ Martin, Alex Presley, Jose Tabata, James McDonald, Jeff Locke as they major league players, but dont know much about the farm. Here are their stats:

Martin - .251, 15 HR, 45 RBI, 47 R (95 games)
Presley - .251, 6 HR, 22 RBI, 25 R (74 games)
Tabata - .250, 1 RBI, 2R (only 11 games)
McDonald - 2-5, 3.43 ERA, 1.40 WHIP (53 relief appearances ???
Locke - 0-2, 3.55 ERA, 1.55 WHIP (7 starts MLB) 6-8 4.21 ERA 23 starts AAA

Now I would imagine Rios could get me maybe a couple C's or a B prospect and I would think maybe Tabata for Wigginton would be fair since they have both been on waivers many times this year. So the Wigginton for Tabata swap would even out but what would I get with Rios. I wouldn't mind taking Presley (who hasn't been great) over Tabata, and maybe giving less for the Rios part.

Any brilliant ideas?

Rios for Presley and Locke should be fine IMO

Im playing with the astros and im currently at the ASB and im looking to move the following players

Bud Norris - 4-9 3.56 era 86k in 113.2 IP
Travis Blackley - 4-2 3.53era 33k in 63.2 IP
Jose Veras 1-2 3.98 era 30k in 31.2 IP (i signed brian wilson to be the closer)
Carlos Pena - .235 avg 71 hits 18 hr and 61 rbi in 302 ab
Eric Bedard 7-6 3.40 era 74k 111.1 IP
Pedro Ciriaco .236 avg 35 hits 3 hrs 13 rbi in 148 ab (To the twins, Mets or Rockies Tulo is out for a month ?)

Im currently sitting in last place ( Not a surprise) 13 games behind so im pretty much out of it . The contending teams are as follows... Red Soxs ,Royals, Angels, Mariners, Athletics, Rays, Nationals, Philles, Reds, Brewers, Diamond Backs, Giants, Dodgers. Im looking for an everyday SS and RF as well as some help in the pen since the only bright spots have been Brian Wilson, Paul Clemens and Jose Valdez as well as prospects.

Thanks and sorry for the long post.

So are you looking to unload to rebuild? You're probably not getting any everyday players from that bunch.

Bud Norris for Chris Colon? I think that's a good value for him. Jose Veras for a high C is okay for that. Bedard is probably at that value too.

Blackley, Pena and Ciriaco really have minimal value

[AC]

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You guys believe the hype on synder but he is a reliever at best.

100 mph fastball with a plus curve and solid changeup ain't a reliever bro.

Glen Perkins

Suuuuuuch an underrated reliever.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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You guys believe the hype on synder but he is a reliever at best.

Also, I am tired of WTNY thinking Coors is still the launching pad of the 90s. Check fg Guts! for park effects, it is still big but other parks are bigger and some of those guys can actually hit.

lololol, it's not just us, it's the scouts. Where are you getting your info?

Tyler Colvin 2013 HOME: .914 OPS (33 PA)
Tyler Colvin 2013 AWAY: hitless in 22 PA

Tyler Colvin 2012 HOME: 1.032 OPS (226 PA)
Tyler Colvin 2012 AWAY: .687 OPS (226 PA)

Tyler Colvin Career AWAY: .679 OPS, .270 BABIP (597 PA)

Tyler Colvin Career @ COORS: .982 OPS, .372 BABIP (277 PA)

You can be tired of me using ballpark effects if you want, but....it's not like it isn't true though. He's a scrub outside of Coors. P-E-R-I-O-D. And I'm thinking you guys didn't have to sit through his 2011 season (.150/.204/.306 in 222 PAs) or you'd know this already.

By the way, Coors has been in the top 3 in ballpark effects for most scoring every year since 2004. In 2012, Colvin's only full year there, the ballpark effect for Coors was 1st in baseball by a wide margin, and it wasn't only Rockies pitchers getting hammered.

[G3no_11]

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Also, I am tired of WTNY thinking Coors is still the launching pad of the 90s. Check fg Guts! for park effects, it is still big but other parks are bigger and some of those guys can actually hit.

Haha this is just something Rockies players and fans have to deal with. Coors Field has been middle of the pack as far as HR's go since the humidor came into effect. I can buy that averages, doubles, and triples can inflate there due to the large outfield gaps, but HR's.. not so much.

What I don't get is why a lot people punish Rockies hitters for Coors Field, but they don't think any different about the pitchers who have to pitch there.

As far as Tyler Colvin goes, I'm pretty sure the thing that turns WTNY off about him is his high strike out rate.. but he does mention the fact that he hits in Coors Field quite a bit.

[AC]

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Tyler Colvin Career AWAY: .679 OPS, .270 BABIP (597 PA)

Tyler Colvin Career @ COORS: .982 OPS, .372 BABIP (277 PA)

SSS, his BABIP would probably regress if he had 600 PA at home too. It may not but it's too small a sample size to draw such a conclusion from.

What I don't get is why a lot people punish Rockies hitters for Coors Field, but they don't think any different about the pitchers who have to pitch there.

coughI'mprettysurethisisexactlywhyxFIPexistscough

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Haha this is just something Rockies players and fans have to deal with. Coors Field has been middle of the pack as far as HR's go since the humidor came into effect. I can buy that averages, doubles, and triples can inflate there due to the large outfield gaps, but HR's.. not so much.

What I don't get is why a lot people punish Rockies hitters for Coors Field, but they don't think any different about the pitchers who have to pitch there.

As far as Tyler Colvin goes, I'm pretty sure the thing that turns WTNY off about him is his high strike out rate.. but he does mention the fact that he hits in Coors Field quite a bit.

That too...

[WaitTilNextYear]

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SSS, his BABIP would probably regress if he had 600 PA at home too. It may not but it's too small a sample size to draw such a conclusion from.



coughI'mprettysurethisisexactlywhyxFIPexistscough

Even if the BABIP was perfectly even, you can't even out a 300 point swing in OPS with it though....fact is he's a different player in Coors and on the road.

[jdiaz891]

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So are you looking to unload to rebuild? You're probably not getting any everyday players from that bunch.

Bud Norris for Chris Colon? I think that's a good value for him. Jose Veras for a high C is okay for that. Bedard is probably at that value too.

Blackley, Pena and Ciriaco really have minimal value

Well im unloading because there contracts expire after the season and im trying to get something in return since im not to sure ill be resigning . As for Bud norris he can help a contending to and bring me something good ... Im just looking to some ideas where to send these guys

[AC]

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Even if the BABIP was perfectly even, you can't even out a 300 point swing in OPS with it though....fact is he's a different player in Coors and on the road.

I smells me a debate coming on!

Colvin has a pathetic 15.2 LD% and a hilarious 34% K-rate and 5.5% BB-rate with a .239 (Arencibian) wOBA and and somehow has a 27 HR/FB but yet only 3 HRs, all good for a comedic wRC+ of 33. Colvin was a useful player last year and sucks this year, obviously the Rockies won that trade by default but not because Colvin is that great. I dunno if I buy that home/away split as he had a fairly impressive LD% last year and a sustainable HR/FB rate, he didn't really get all the lucky in general. Obviously a .364 BABIP won't be sustained but it's not as outrageous as it seems.

There, I just saved us like 20 pages of debating lol.

[AC]

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Well im unloading because there contracts expire after the season and im trying to get something in return since im not to sure ill be resigning . As for Bud norris he can help a contending to and bring me something good ... Im just looking to some ideas where to send these guys

Veras to the Tigers would be solid, anyone on the Tigers you like or should I throw out some names?

[jdiaz891]

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Veras to the Tigers would be solid, anyone on the Tigers you like or should I throw out some names?

I was thinking tiger or yankees . feel free to throw names around if ud like im not good at making fair trades lol

[nowitsourtime]

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Well im unloading because there contracts expire after the season and im trying to get something in return since im not to sure ill be resigning . As for Bud norris he can help a contending to and bring me something good ... Im just looking to some ideas where to send these guys

I still think Norris for Chris Colon would be a good trade. Take your pick on where to send Bedard or Veras. There are a few teams you listed that could be a fit for them

[jdiaz891]

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I still think Norris for Chris Colon would be a good trade. Take your pick on where to send Bedard or Veras. There are a few teams you listed that could be a fit for them

Not shooting that idea down Im gunna check him in a few im actually in the middle of a game .

[AC]

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I was thinking tiger or yankees . feel free to throw names around if ud like im not good at making fair trades lol

How open are you to giving up J.D. Martinez?