2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[HadlerT]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Who are the contenders, and what do they need? I could put together some trades.

I'm playing the July 30th game, and about to advance to July 31st, but when I'm done, I'll tell you all the contenders.
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[AC]

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EDIT: LOL AC!

Lmao, great minds.

I'm playing the July 30th game, and about to advance to July 31st, but when I'm done, I'll tell you all the contenders.
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Sounds good.

By the way, whatever the hell that is at the end of your post always makes me think I'm about to get a virus lol.

[HadlerT]

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Lmao, great minds.




Sounds good.

By the way, whatever the hell that is at the end of your post always makes me think I'm about to get a virus lol.

I have absolutely no clue why it does that. I have anti-virus stuff on my computer but it just automatically shows up at the end of every post.
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[WaitTilNextYear]

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I have absolutely no clue why it does that. I have anti-virus stuff on my computer but it just automatically shows up at the end of every post.
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Could have something to do with your settings or interface. Maybe a mod or someone could help you run through your control panel. You're not the only one I've seen that happen to, although for the vast majority of users, it doesn't appear to be an issue.

[G3no_11]

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Wouldn't this just basically depend on a team's record? Am I oversimplifying it? If a team's crushing it, they buy. If a team's sucking, they sell. A small market team won't ever make a HUGE buy move. That's probably all you'd need to know.

As far as how teams value certain positions, I'm not sure you'd be in position to answer that without working in a MLB FO.

My impression was something like: the Rockies make minor trades, if any (bullpen help), they need pitching, they don't need OF's, low budget.

Something like that, just so people can have a general idea of what a team typically does and what positions they are generally looking for. This way people can come up with more realistic trades as far as budget, trades in past years, and positional needs.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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My impression was something like: the Rockies make minor trades, if any (bullpen help), they need pitching, they don't need OF's, low budget.

Something like that, just so people can have a general idea of what a team typically does and what positions they are generally looking for. This way people can come up with more realistic trades as far as budget, trades in past years, and positional needs.

Yeah, but do we have enough data on each current regime to really know any tendencies? For each low budget move, we have a Cargo extension or a James Shields trade. I mean, aside from a handful of eternally good and bad teams, the records are up and down each year, and there are just too many variables (salary, years, roster makeup, payroll decisions, new parks, TV deals). Besides who doesn't deal for pen help? lol. That would have to be in every team's dossier!

Far be it from me to stifle something you guys want to do, but I was just coming at it from the "does the end results justify the effort?" perspective, and can you really determine much more than buyers will buy and sellers will sell?

But, I think if you guys do exert effort on that, something really short and sweet like your example for the Rockies makes a lot of sense, rather than an in-depth portfolio of every move made by the current GM with no clear sense of what that means (or if it has any predictive value at all).

[HadlerT]

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Who are the contenders, and what do they need? I could put together some trades.

I was surprised at your judgement of Brenden Ryan. He plays GG defnese and in my franchise, he actually has hit 8 Home Runs (1 in the game I just played) and has been hitting around .250 all year.

Anyway, here are the contenders, and needs:

Yankees*
Orioles**
Blue Jays**
Tigers*
Indians***
Marlins*
Braves**
Phillies**
Mets***
Cubs*
Cardinals**
Reds***
Brewers***
Dodgers*
Rockies**
Giants**
Diamondbacks***

AL West (in-division trading)
Rangers*
Angels**
A's**

* indicates division leader
** indicates >5 GB
*** indicates 10-5 GB

1B - Marlins, Mets, A's, Brewers, Giants, Indians
- Michael Morse or Kendrys Morales could fit here. Injuries and previous trades have left these teams needing a 1B

LF/RF - Mets, Tigers
-Michael Morse can play LF/RF. So can Jason Bay and Endy Chavez. I think K.Morales can play RF, but I bet he wouldn't be able to anymore, so we'll leave him out.

SS - Mets, A's (traded Lowrie, Nakajima sucks), Dodgers (traded for Stephen Drew, but he sucks), Giants, Indians (traded Asdrubal Cabrera)
- Brenden Ryan could be traded to any of these places.

SP - Indians, Marlins, Orioles, A's, Cubs
- Iwakuma could net a good package at any of these places, because they're in need of starting pitching. Same goes for Saunders/Harang (minus the 'good package' part, lol.)

RP - Marlins, Mets, Tigers (desperately), Blue Jays (sort of), Braves, Diamondbacks, Dodgers
- Oliver Perez or Tom Wilhelmsen could be closers/set-up men.

My biggest position of need is OF. I currently am trotting Morse and Ibanez out there, with my 4th OF being Bay and Chavez in AAA in case of injury. I could also use minor league depth in starting pitching, mainly in the lower levels (AA).


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[AC]

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Quoting just this because I can, lol.

Marlins and Cubs leading a division. What the..

Morse to the Indians for Salazar

Ryan to the Mets for some C

Iwakuma to the O's for Schoop? Not a great fit on any of the teams.

Wilhemsen to the Tigers for Porcello

Perez to the Braves for Gilmartin

[bwoodring9]

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Sorry for this, but did my post get lost on the previous page? I apologize, just not sure if it was missed.

[rjackson]

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Looking to try and acquire Bud Norris from Houston, whom I hopefully think will be relatively cheap. He's 2-6 with a 4.42 ERA with 94 K's in 91.2 innings. His WHIP is 1.24. What do you guys think about a package of maybe Adam Morgan and Justin Friend? I like Morgan a lot and he's a mid B as far as I can tell, and Friend is a high C so this might be a bit of an over pay. However the only other "prospect" I have around the low B range is Cloyd. What do you guys think? Also thinking about sending Alexei Ramirez to STL. There have been some rumors irl that the Cards offered a package involving Carlos Martinez, but I was thinking more of either Patrick Wisdom, Starlin Rodriguez, or instead of a B prospect maybe 2 high C's like the spreadsheet says, perhaps Victor De Leon and Jorge Rondon?

I think that you are undervaluing them both, in all honesty. Norris is never going to be an ace but he is an innings eater with at least one more year of team control who I don't expect to get traded this year. The spreadsheet says Low B and a High C for fairness, but realistically I couldn't see HOU going for less than Morgan and Cloyd this year. Next year, I think that is a good value for him.

As for Alexei, we don't know what the entire offer was and he wasn't the only player going back (I'm guessing Peavy maybe as well). If you can give it a week, we can see what (if anything) happens on that front. With Peavy going as well, Carlos Martinez is not enough.

That's my opinion.

[rjackson]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Wouldn't this just basically depend on a team's record? Am I oversimplifying it? If a team's crushing it, they buy. If a team's sucking, they sell. A small market team won't ever make a HUGE buy move. That's probably all you'd need to know.

As far as how teams value certain positions, I'm not sure you'd be in position to answer that without working in a MLB FO.

I think that you are oversimplifying it, to be honest. There is also a lot of misinformation out there. Remember how everyone was expecting TEX to trade Andrus, Profar, or Kinsler? They never once showed an interest in doing that but it was all the rage a few months ago...

[Deuce2223]

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July 1st of 2014 in my M's Franchise..

Philles have been out of it since April 10th, they are like 19 games back and the Giants are 3 games out of 1st behind the Diamondbacks but just lost both Posey and Pence to the DL for at least the next month.

Here is my thought..

Ryan Howard (86A) (Spreadsheet says Low C) .250 11 HR 28 RBI
Michael Young (62A) (Again Low C) .302 3 HR 20 RBI
J. Mayberry Jr (79B) (High C) .274 10 HR 40 RBI

for

Tim Linceum (90A) (Spread Sheet says 2 Mid B) 3-8 4.30 ERA 112 K.

The Giants are one of the only teams with enough payroll room to take on Howard's contract as they would be taking on 14 mil in payroll (18.58 coming in and 4.84 going out).

However was wondering if I did something like add P. Sandoval (11.70 mil) in the last year of his contract, that could balance out the money more. (18.58 coming in 16.55 going out), so the Giants could take on someone like C. Lee or Roy "Doc Holliday.

Who would be good to add from Philly. Spreadsheet says 3 Mid B. but that seems like a lot for a guy in the last year of his contract making that kind of money. However the Phillies do have the cap to be able to resign him to a long term deal after the season giving them a replacement for Howard in the middle of the order.

Sandoval is hitting .242 with 14 HR and 41 RBI.

OF D. Brown, SP J. Biddle, or maybe get C T. Joseph back? or go with adding the vet pitcher like Lee or Holliday?

Not going for realism as much as I am going for fair.. I think realism went out the window in my Franchise when I won the World Series last year.

Basically trying to help the Phillies get younger, and the Giants make a run at beating the Diamondbacks and getting in the playoffs.

[AC]

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Here is my thought..

Ryan Howard (86A) (Spreadsheet says Low C) .250 11 HR 28 RBI
Michael Young (62A) (Again Low C) .302 3 HR 20 RBI
J. Mayberry Jr (79B) (High C) .274 10 HR 40 RBI

for

Tim Linceum (90A) (Spread Sheet says 2 Mid B) 3-8 4.30 ERA 112 K.

Absolutely never ever happening. A horrible contract, aging crappy player, and a marginal trade piece for Tim Lincecum?

Low C + Low C + High C =/= 2 mid B's

yay 10,000

[bwoodring9]

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Absolutely never ever happening. A horrible contract, aging crappy player, and a marginal trade piece for Tim Lincecum?

Low C + Low C + High C =/= 2 mid B's

I agree, this just wouldn't happen as the giants are getting no value in return

[bwoodring9]

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I think that you are undervaluing them both, in all honesty. Norris is never going to be an ace but he is an innings eater with at least one more year of team control who I don't expect to get traded this year. The spreadsheet says Low B and a High C for fairness, but realistically I couldn't see HOU going for less than Morgan and Cloyd this year. Next year, I think that is a good value for him.

As for Alexei, we don't know what the entire offer was and he wasn't the only player going back (I'm guessing Peavy maybe as well). If you can give it a week, we can see what (if anything) happens on that front. With Peavy going as well, Carlos Martinez is not enough.

That's my opinion.

Thanks for the feedback! I can wait a bit longer i suppose but I'm on the last day before the trade deadline. As for Norris, his contract ends after this season in the game.