2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Totte]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Vizcaino is an A prospect lol

Yea but he was traded for Paul Maholm and comes with a history of arm trouble. Not your typical A prospect in my book. More of a mid B > low B or so if you ask me

[Totte]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Jackson has always been expendable, so it's not that far of a stretch. He's played on 8 different teams in 11 seasons.

But he's never been under a 4 year deal either. Always one year contracts if I'm not mistaken. Pitching for teams, being out of contention, getting shipped out for some value to a contender...we all know the process and we see if with players every summer

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Yea but he was traded for Paul Maholm

In a pretty terrible deal

And the trade is nuts as is, taking out any prospects completely and basically making it Johnson + Arrieta for Feldman would pretty much be the only way to salvage it

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Feels like a while since I've posted in here actually looking for trade help. I'm exploring a number of trade options. These are all hypothetically offseason deals, assuming the season plays out how it's expected to.

Jose Reyes

Here's a player I honestly just cannot hit with. Reyes has a .602 OPS and a .265 wOBA.. however, he still projects to finish around 2 sWAR due to some excellent baserunning and (shockingly enough) defense. He's been durable and hasn't gotten hurt at all, and he's locked into a contract that pays him $8.68m, $9.1m, $9.66m, $10.08m, and $10.64m for the next 5 years. Those figures are converted to real life money, it's not his actual contract figures. Just to help out a bit. If he continued his 2 WAR pace, he'd probably provide something like $100m value, or about $52m in surplus value, and that's on a projection well below his career mean. Spreadsheet value is Mid A + High B + Mid B. Does that sound right for Reyes right about now?

Melky Cabrera

So here's a player I'm going to completely throw out the spreadsheet value for.

Melky has a .358 wOBA and I'm not sure about his sWAR calculation cause my calculator is on the fritz but it projects to finish the season around 4 using simple sWAR. By all means, he's been excellent and his wOBA is suppressed by the fact that I really can't take a damn walk for the life of me. Thoughts on his value? I was thinking that contingent on a long term contract, he would be worth roughly low A + mid B + high C.

Russell Martin

With Brian McCann's free agency looming, and the fact that I may literally not be able to resign him (freaking forgot to turn on Ignore Budgets), I may need a replacement catcher, and this year, Martin is the epitome of that word. .295 wOBA, and 0.0 sWAR. I think it's safe to assume you can add on maybe a couple runs for defense, but he's been pretty replacement level, and the Pirates are playing terribly.

Funny thing is, my catchers atm excluding McCann: Clement, Shoppach, Nickeas, Jimenez. And Clement probably shouldn't be catching. Beyond that I have.. er.. a draft prospect? Yeah, I can't really go status quo lol. With Carlos Ruiz looking like a resign candidate, A.J. Pierzynski being old and terrible, and no other FA options, trading for Martin appears to be my one possibility, beyond the likes of.. Jason Castro and Devin Mesoraco, worth about -0.5 sWAR each. Ow. Low B + Low B is his spreadsheet value, but I think his value should be a bit lower than that in this case. Thoughts?

[Totte]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Feels like a while since I've posted in here actually looking for trade help. I'm exploring a number of trade options. These are all hypothetically offseason deals, assuming the season plays out how it's expected to.

Jose Reyes

Here's a player I honestly just cannot hit with. Reyes has a .602 OPS and a .265 wOBA.. however, he still projects to finish around 2 sWAR due to some excellent baserunning and (shockingly enough) defense. He's been durable and hasn't gotten hurt at all, and he's locked into a contract that pays him $8.68m, $9.1m, $9.66m, $10.08m, and $10.64m for the next 5 years. Those figures are converted to real life money, it's not his actual contract figures. Just to help out a bit. If he continued his 2 WAR pace, he'd probably provide something like $100m value, or about $52m in surplus value, and that's on a projection well below his career mean. Spreadsheet value is Mid A + High B + Mid B. Does that sound right for Reyes right about now?

Melky Cabrera

So here's a player I'm going to completely throw out the spreadsheet value for.

Melky has a .358 wOBA and I'm not sure about his sWAR calculation cause my calculator is on the fritz but it projects to finish the season around 4 using simple sWAR. By all means, he's been excellent and his wOBA is suppressed by the fact that I really can't take a damn walk for the life of me. Thoughts on his value? I was thinking that contingent on a long term contract, he would be worth roughly low A + mid B + high C.

Russell Martin

With Brian McCann's free agency looming, and the fact that I may literally not be able to resign him (freaking forgot to turn on Ignore Budgets), I may need a replacement catcher, and this year, Martin is the epitome of that word. .295 wOBA, and 0.0 sWAR. I think it's safe to assume you can add on maybe a couple runs for defense, but he's been pretty replacement level, and the Pirates are playing terribly.

Funny thing is, my catchers atm excluding McCann: Clement, Shoppach, Nickeas, Jimenez. And Clement probably shouldn't be catching. Beyond that I have.. er.. a draft prospect? Yeah, I can't really go status quo lol. With Carlos Ruiz looking like a resign candidate, A.J. Pierzynski being old and terrible, and no other FA options, trading for Martin appears to be my one possibility, beyond the likes of.. Jason Castro and Devin Mesoraco, worth about -0.5 sWAR each. Ow. Low B + Low B is his spreadsheet value, but I think his value should be a bit lower than that in this case. Thoughts?

I feel lost in the wOBA and sWAR values so I can't give you a fair judgement. Would love to give you some feedback if I could get some standard baseline values

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I feel lost in the wOBA and sWAR values so I can't give you a fair judgement. Would love to give you some feedback if I could get some standard baseline values

All the info for wOBA is at fangraphs and sWAR is outlined in my blog. Good wOBA is like .314 and the baseline for WAR is pretty straightforward haha

[yougo1000]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I am going to get the game in a couple of days and I was wondering what package deals I could do involving Alfonso Soriano and Matt Garza?

[Totte]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I am going to get the game in a couple of days and I was wondering what package deals I could do involving Alfonso Soriano and Matt Garza?

Depends on what you're looking for in return. Would you be making the deals in spring training or by the deadline in July?

[Totte]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Feels like a while since I've posted in here actually looking for trade help. I'm exploring a number of trade options. These are all hypothetically offseason deals, assuming the season plays out how it's expected to.

Jose Reyes

Here's a player I honestly just cannot hit with. Reyes has a .602 OPS and a .265 wOBA.. however, he still projects to finish around 2 sWAR due to some excellent baserunning and (shockingly enough) defense. He's been durable and hasn't gotten hurt at all, and he's locked into a contract that pays him $8.68m, $9.1m, $9.66m, $10.08m, and $10.64m for the next 5 years. Those figures are converted to real life money, it's not his actual contract figures. Just to help out a bit. If he continued his 2 WAR pace, he'd probably provide something like $100m value, or about $52m in surplus value, and that's on a projection well below his career mean. Spreadsheet value is Mid A + High B + Mid B. Does that sound right for Reyes right about now?

Melky Cabrera

So here's a player I'm going to completely throw out the spreadsheet value for.

Melky has a .358 wOBA and I'm not sure about his sWAR calculation cause my calculator is on the fritz but it projects to finish the season around 4 using simple sWAR. By all means, he's been excellent and his wOBA is suppressed by the fact that I really can't take a damn walk for the life of me. Thoughts on his value? I was thinking that contingent on a long term contract, he would be worth roughly low A + mid B + high C.

Russell Martin

With Brian McCann's free agency looming, and the fact that I may literally not be able to resign him (freaking forgot to turn on Ignore Budgets), I may need a replacement catcher, and this year, Martin is the epitome of that word. .295 wOBA, and 0.0 sWAR. I think it's safe to assume you can add on maybe a couple runs for defense, but he's been pretty replacement level, and the Pirates are playing terribly.

Funny thing is, my catchers atm excluding McCann: Clement, Shoppach, Nickeas, Jimenez. And Clement probably shouldn't be catching. Beyond that I have.. er.. a draft prospect? Yeah, I can't really go status quo lol. With Carlos Ruiz looking like a resign candidate, A.J. Pierzynski being old and terrible, and no other FA options, trading for Martin appears to be my one possibility, beyond the likes of.. Jason Castro and Devin Mesoraco, worth about -0.5 sWAR each. Ow. Low B + Low B is his spreadsheet value, but I think his value should be a bit lower than that in this case. Thoughts?

Reyes is fine with what you proposed.

Having a hard time seeing how Melky would ever be worth an A no matter what kind of numbers he's putting up. Go mid B and a low B

Martin sounds like a low B and a high C

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Having a hard time seeing how Melky would ever be worth an A no matter what kind of numbers he's putting up. Go mid B and a low B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_bias

I think if I had (and I should have done this) told you player X was doing such and such you would have agreed. You mean to say if Melky was hitting .400 he wouldn't be worth an A?

Agree on all other counts.

[yougo1000]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Depends on what you're looking for in return. Would you be making the deals in spring training or by the deadline in July?

Most likely the deadline and I would probably be looking at pitching prospects

[Totte]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_bias

I think if I had (and I should have done this) told you player X was doing such and such you would have agreed. You mean to say if Melky was hitting .400 he wouldn't be worth an A?

Agree on all other counts.

The player X game is always an interesting game to play

Thing with Melky is I'm having a hard time seeing someone invest in him like that with the PED history and his current injury which I read somewhere might be chronic? That IRL stuff is what's clouding my judgement in this case but as we've said in this thread in previous occasions - it's only a videogame. As far as I know Melky haven't been pumping PED's in your copy of the game and he's not injured either

[Totte]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Most likely the deadline and I would probably be looking at pitching prospects

If we're talking deadline deals your return package would be based on how Soriano and Garza is performing at that point. Would also depend on what teams that are in contention.

Value wise, the spreadsheet in the first post of this thread gives you a good idea of what to expect in return for both guys.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

The player X game is always an interesting game to play

Thing with Melky is I'm having a hard time seeing someone invest in him like that with the PED history and his current injury which I read somewhere might be chronic? That IRL stuff is what's clouding my judgement in this case but as we've said in this thread in previous occasions - it's only a videogame. As far as I know Melky haven't been pumping PED's in your copy of the game and he's not injured either

Nah, t'was a tumor he got removed that he'd been hiding from the team in an effort to keep playing. Really admirable and I respect his determination and heart to play through a last season with a freaking tumor in his back but pretty stupid. Although it's been removed and shouldn't be an issue moving forward. But yeah, I shouldn't have said Melky's name.

[Mike3207]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I absolutely could not believe this trade in my Reds LF RTTS:

Reds trade CP Ryan Madsen and SP Mike Leake to the Angels for CF Mike Trout. As if.