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  • Cavicchi
    MVP
    • Mar 2004
    • 2841

    #376
    Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

    Originally posted by Qb
    I like the concept of old players declining sharply, and certainly prefer it to players sustaining their ability/performance until retiring arbitrarily. Hopefully, the 'double-dip' regression is fixed in the first update and we'll see how the system plays out when functioning as intended. The implication is that it will be less extreme, but still quite hard on the over-35 crowd (eg, Ramone's early "it's not a bug comment").

    Like several others, I'd like to see the regression be more randomized and not across the board. I liked sroz39's post about pitchers losing some velocity, K/9, stamina, etc and position players dropping in physical abilities. I think that's where we should see the really sharp declines, along with durability, which might be the most appropriate attribute to tie to age-related regression.
    Being 70 years old, I resent that remark.

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    • Knight165
      *ll St*r
      • Feb 2003
      • 24964

      #377
      Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

      I definitely like the velocity drop on aging pitchers.
      It adds something to think about when giving that guy a shot at the club or signing that guy hanging on for a 1 year FA deal.

      M.K.
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      • Qb
        All Star
        • Mar 2003
        • 8798

        #378
        Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

        Originally posted by seanjeezy
        Slowly over time, the speed is highly dependent on your training method. I ran a couple of tests and it can happen any time during a player's mid-twenties onward if it is neglected. For the younger guys (under 35) they lose roughly 3 points which translates to ~.7 mph, which is the standard loss per year in real life as well.
        Two comments... Nice attention to detail by SCEA. And is there anything you haven't tested?


        Originally posted by Cavicchi
        Being 70 years old, I resent that remark.
        I hope I'm playing MLB 2049 when I'm 70.
        Last edited by Qb; 03-14-2013, 06:43 PM.

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        • Cavicchi
          MVP
          • Mar 2004
          • 2841

          #379
          Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

          Originally posted by Qb
          Two comments... Nice attention to detail by SCEA. And is there anything you haven't tested?




          I hope I'm playing MLB 2049 when I'm 70.
          I'll probably die with a Play Station controller in my hand

          Well, I use Senior Mode, err, Beginner Mode. I prefer to call it Senior Mode ;-)

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          • thefakeJTS
            Pro
            • Nov 2012
            • 913

            #380
            Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

            Does anybody know if the "Stamina" rating for pitchers increases or decreases with progression/regression?
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            • Cavicchi
              MVP
              • Mar 2004
              • 2841

              #381
              Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

              Originally posted by thefakeJTS
              Does anybody know if the "Stamina" rating for pitchers increases or decreases with progression/regression?
              I finished spring training and noticed some older starting pitchers did have their stamina rating decreased, and some younger pitchers, Cole Hamels for one, did have their stamina rating increased.

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              • TripleCrown
                MVP
                • Jan 2013
                • 1241

                #382
                Originally posted by Cavicchi
                I finished spring training and noticed some older starting pitchers did have their stamina rating decreased, and some younger pitchers, Cole Hamels for one, did have their stamina rating increased.
                When I tested it ( ran 7 sim seasons ) I had Darren Oliver going down to 0 stamina. Yes zero.

                I should give it a try to see how that translate when playing with him though.

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                • Cavicchi
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 2841

                  #383
                  Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                  Originally posted by TripleCrown
                  When I tested it ( ran 7 sim seasons ) I had Darren Oliver going down to 0 stamina. Yes zero.

                  I should give it a try to see how that translate when playing with him though.
                  I've never seen that in a game, zero stamina. I guess he's good for maybe 5 pitches or one batter at most!

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                  • tabarnes19_SDS
                    Game Designer
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 3084

                    #384
                    Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                    I have konerko with 0 speed and 0 base running ability. Guy is on his last legs, but raking in the 2015 playoffs for me.

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                    • Cavicchi
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 2841

                      #385
                      Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                      Originally posted by tabarnes19
                      I have konerko with 0 speed and 0 base running ability. Guy is on his last legs, but raking in the 2015 playoffs for me.
                      Hmm...I'm 70 but I think I could beat him in a foot race to first base

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                      • themuel1
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 55

                        #386
                        Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                        Originally posted by seanjeezy
                        You are in luck QB, pitchers do lose velocity as they get older, I had Mo lose 5 mph off his cutter.
                        Mo hasn't lost 5mph a year off of his cutter has he? So how is that realistic?

                        I'm a little bit puzzled as to why this wasn't noticed pre-release in testing? I've only been playing on Franchise on 2013 for 30 minutes and have seen the ridiculous loss of ability from older players. (After a 2 hour long bloody draft)....

                        Some decline - sure. But falling off a cliff? Need's more than a tweak. Perhaps older players with Potentials of A should decrease less than players with B,C's etc.

                        Jeter at the age of 37 hit .316, Mo through his late thirties was still dominate with a +90 mph cutter that didn't drop drastically. Berkman hit 31 homers at a .301 clip at 35. It cannot be a straight drop for all players. Otherwise (as others have said), playing with the Yankees is impossible.

                        All of this said - the basics of the system are by far the best progression we have seen. Just needs to be toned down a little in terms of progression and toned down a lot in terms of regression.
                        Last edited by themuel1; 03-22-2013, 08:37 PM.

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                        • woody2goody
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 2097

                          #387
                          Originally posted by themuel1
                          Mo hasn't lost 5mph a year off of his cutter has he? So how is that realistic?

                          I'm a little bit puzzled as to why this wasn't noticed pre-release in testing? I've only been playing on Franchise on 2013 for 30 minutes and have seen the ridiculous loss of ability from older players. (After a 2 hour long bloody draft)....

                          Some decline - sure. But falling off a cliff? Need's more than a tweak. Perhaps older players with Potentials of A should decrease less than players with B,C's etc.

                          Jeter at the age of 37 hit .316, Mo through his late thirties was still dominate with a +90 mph cutter that didn't drop drastically. Berkman hit 31 homers at a .301 clip at 35. It cannot be a straight drop for all players. Otherwise (as others have said), playing with the Yankees is impossible.

                          All of this said - the basics of the system are by far the best progression we have seen. Just needs to be toned down a little in terms of progression and toned down a lot in terms of regression.
                          Didn't Berkman also hit .185 or something like that the year before?

                          Seriously though I agree with you. The decline is too sharp at the moment but we'll have to see what we get after the patch At least now it's feasible to trade veterans for prospects when they hit their 30s. Before it didn't really matter how old they were.

                          I think for next years game there needs to be a 'development curve' option like in Pro Evolution Soccer. Options like 'Early Peak' (can't think of an example), 'Early/lasting' (Derek Jeter), 'Normal' (Mark DeRosa) 'Normal/Lasting' (Omar Vizquel) 'Late Peak' (R.A. Dickey) and 'late/lasting' (Mariano Rivera, Tim Wakefield)

                          In PES there were also some players who reached a peak at 20 or so, then regressed a bit in their early 20s and then reached a second peak in their late 20s. Maybe these types of progression options would give us the chance to tell the computer that guys like Dickey, Wakefield and Konerko shouldn't regress as quickly as other players for instance.

                          The only problem I see with this is nobody can truly predict a player's future. That's all part of the fun though I suppose!
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                          • Threeebs
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 451

                            #388
                            Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                            I read on the bug report site that they found the problem regarding regression. Apparently they were penalizing players in two areas rather than just one. It seems they are regressing twice as fast as they should be. This will be fixed.
                            T.K.

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                            • BBallcoach
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 1524

                              #389
                              Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                              Originally posted by TripleCrown
                              When I tested it ( ran 7 sim seasons ) I had Darren Oliver going down to 0 stamina. Yes zero.

                              I should give it a try to see how that translate when playing with him though.
                              lol him arm just falls off.
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                              • Threeebs
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 451

                                #390
                                Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                                Originally posted by BBallcoach
                                lol him arm just falls off.


                                LMFAO I had a good chuckle reading and mentally picturing this!
                                T.K.

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