Franchise Player Ratings Decline

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

A ton? you mean like maybe 30 guys? in the scope of things a ton of people think its fine the way it is.

Yeah, a ton. That thread is 30+ pages long, full of people pissed off about it. There are far more people saying they don't like the change than saying they like not having an option to change it back.

[MoleDude]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Yeah, a ton. That thread is 30+ pages long, full of people pissed off about it. There are far more people saying they don't like the change than saying they like not having an option to change it back.

The displeased generally raise their voices louder and more frequently than the pleased. I don't care either way, but this thread isn't about guess pitch.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

The displeased generally raise their voices louder and more frequently than the pleased. I don't care either way, but this thread isn't about guess pitch.

It's not?

[ptbnl]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Yeah, a ton. That thread is 30+ pages long, full of people pissed off about it. There are far more people saying they don't like the change than saying they like not having an option to change it back.

It's the same people going back-and-forth. That's how a thread gets to be that long. Same with this one...

[geisterhome]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

It's the same people going back-and-forth. That's how a thread gets to be that long. Same with this one...

If the length of the thread is bothering you then maybe don't comment yourself

[ptbnl]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

If the length of the thread is bothering you then maybe don't comment yourself

It's not bothering me. All I said is that the length of the thread is not indicative of how many people do/don't like something. Try a little reading comprehension.

[geisterhome]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

It's not bothering me. All I said is that the length of the thread is not indicative of how many people do/don't like something. Try a little reading comprehension.

How about the player progression issues making it up to 4th place with just 2 down votes in the bug report voting and the spring traning decline making the top 10 as well. People are agreeing or not?

[ptbnl]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

I don't have any clue what you're talking about or what it has to do with this thread or my point.

Nor do I care anymore.

[BBallcoach]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

How about the player progression issues making it up to 4th place with just 2 down votes in the bug report voting and the spring traning decline making the top 10 as well. People are agreeing or not?

that means nothing... that's still just the loud voices voting. it literally is less than 5% of the entire user base that go over to TSN and and post here.

[geisterhome]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

I don't have any clue what you're talking about or what it has to do with this thread or my point.

Nor do I care anymore.

Look ptbnl, BBallcoach unterstood what I meant
Maybe try some ehm.. reading comprehension? Just kidding

that means nothing... that's still just the loud voices voting. it literally is less than 5% of the entire user base that go over to TSN and and post here.

I think it does mean something because you can see it in relation with other bug reports and how many votes they got and also the people liking how it is could vote it down and that didn't happen. Also I don't think it matters that much if there are 5, 10, 20 or 50%. You are saying there are just 5% of the user base on TSN and even if its true 5% are enough to call it representitive.
But let's discuss the game itself now again? Feel like this won't lead us anywhere..

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

that means nothing... that's still just the loud voices voting. it literally is less than 5% of the entire user base that go over to TSN and and post here.

My comment was in the context of this website, and that thread. If you really wanted to take the time to sift through 30+ pages of the Guess Pitch thread, you'd see there are a LOT of people who don't like the new system. It's that cut and dry.

[BBallcoach]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Look ptbnl, BBallcoach unterstood what I meant
Maybe try some ehm.. reading comprehension? Just kidding



I think it does mean something because you can see it in relation with other bug reports and how many votes they got and also the people liking how it is could vote it down and that didn't happen. Also I don't think it matters that much if there are 5, 10, 20 or 50%. You are saying there are just 5% of the user base on TSN and even if its true 5% are enough to call it representitive.
But let's discuss the game itself now again? Feel like this won't lead us anywhere..

My comment was in the context of this website, and that thread. If you really wanted to take the time to sift through 30+ pages of the Guess Pitch thread, you'd see there are a LOT of people who don't like the new system. It's that cut and dry.

you do realize for every one complaint that is very vocal there are most likely 10+ people who like it and don't complain... You're an extreme minority to like it. Even on this board. and yes there is a 292 post thread... in which many of the same users have posted 5 or more times. So your guys' "a ton of people" arguement is really 20 people around here. When this time of year there can be 500+ people on the show forum alone, facts are a majority of people like or are unaffected by the new GP. Why would SCEA consider changing it?

Unlike the franchise decline in ST, which they have said shouldn't happen is completely different. They designed there to be season progression/regression and it also happens in ST, which is a mistake... GP on the other hand was changed which they stated before released was and people still can't get over it. While a majority are fine with it.

[geisterhome]

you do realize for every one complaint that is very vocal there are most likely 10+ people who like it and don't complain... You're an extreme minority to like it. Even on this board. and yes there is a 292 post thread... in which many of the same users have posted 5 or more times. So your guys' "a ton of people" arguement is really 20 people around here. When this time of year there can be 500+ people on the show forum alone, facts are a majority of people like or are unaffected by the new GP. Why would SCEA consider changing it?

Unlike the franchise decline in ST, which they have said shouldn't happen is completely different. They designed there to be season progression/regression and it also happens in ST, which is a mistake... GP on the other hand was changed which they stated before released was and people still can't get over it. While a majority are fine with it.

so you think everybody who isn't voting for those issues or doesn't comment here is automatically liking the changes? that doesn't make sense. the 10+ players liking it per complainer you are talking abt much rather belong to the I don't care category or aren't even aware of the issue itself. just compare it with the attention other issues got. do you think there are actually ppl who like the stuttering and freezing issues for example? I doubt there are. those are things that nobody wants in the game. still they aren't getting more attention comment and vote wise than the player progression. following your logic there should be 10+ users as well actually liking the stuttering and freezing just cos not everybody is vocal abt it.

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[BrianU]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

you do realize for every one complaint that is very vocal there are most likely 10+ people who like it and don't complain... You're an extreme minority to like it. Even on this board. and yes there is a 292 post thread... in which many of the same users have posted 5 or more times. So your guys' "a ton of people" arguement is really 20 people around here. When this time of year there can be 500+ people on the show forum alone, facts are a majority of people like or are unaffected by the new GP. Why would SCEA consider changing it?

Unlike the franchise decline in ST, which they have said shouldn't happen is completely different. They designed there to be season progression/regression and it also happens in ST, which is a mistake... GP on the other hand was changed which they stated before released was and people still can't get over it. While a majority are fine with it.

I never have and never will use Guess pitch in any way. I see how many people love the feature and that isn't a bad thing, perhaps many people who rather would give up on the game continue playing because it makes it more accessible. They don't need to 'change' anything but they surely could add a toggle option to make things work either way, like many of the options in the game, there isn't a definite right or wrong way to play this game and that's its strength

The Show is most notable for giving an immense amount of options and settings for people to play the game anyway they want. I was thrilled by the smalll things in this game coming over from the other MLB game. In that game you cannot fully disable fielding arrows on the field, you cant turn off the strikezone completely, and you cant remove the pitching interface, these things seem small but they really enhance the game and its enjoyment as well as let you fine tune the difficulty even more. I love pitching without the pitch menu.

So back to Guess Pitch. I believe they changed it in most part thinking about User vs User/Online games and removing any exploitative behavior from it. The best thing they could have possibly done was to leave offline Guess pitch working as last year, or even better, have a setting where you can choose between the new mechanic and last years version. I don't even use the feature but I would like everyone to be able to enjoy the game as much as me, there is no reason to argue against the devs looking into this. Perhaps people want their issues fixed and not issues that won't affect them but that shouldn't be a concern. Wasn't there like 4-5 patches last year? They have a great track record of post-game support they will get to everything, we just have to make sure the informed voices rise to the top so they can get to the heart of whatever issues we find. Some of the bug reports aren't written as clearly as they could be or with all the relevant information, i.e. the franchise sim stats bug report only mentions low K's and not anything about BB or HR totals, but I am sure the devs know about it all thankfully since they are involved on this forum.

We are very fortunate the devs come over here and even acknowledge us, we aren't the core audience you have to remember this. We are the minority yet we have the biggest impact on the game with these bug reports and creating support for different issues and talking to the devs. Yesterday I asked the senior AI developer a question about difficulty levels and he answered me in 5 minutes, that is amazing stuff. Our issues are going to be dealt with in a timely manner as they always have but it's important to keep in mind the wishes of others too, as long as they don't diminish our objectives with a patch there is no reason to discount them. The game should be accessible for everyone's playing style and it can be, and it pretty much is. The more profit they make the more resources they can devote to the game. If The Show wasn't a big name franchise and one of Sony's big hits that sells systems chances are it wouldn't be as polished or receive as much attention as it does. It is important to cater to all audiences, the larger casual crowd as well as us here who like to play more sim.

BBallcoach: I like most of your posts but I just don't understand why you seem so deadset against many things. Like with the ST progression glitch a week ago you were telling everyone "They are not going to fix it because it is not broken" but now we know they are looking into it. This is the best community in games because lots of people have passion and love the game, just don't be so stubborn mate

[sroz39]

FWIW, put me down as someone who hated the double ratings hit and is extremely pleased they are looking into it...but also someone who wasn't going to stop playing RTTS or Franchise because of it. No game will ever mimic reality 100% and I've been playing flawed Franchise Modes since Madden 99 on the PS1...and enjoying the heck out of them.

This year's Show, if left untouched, would be no different. I just play within the confines of the game, meaning be wary of signing veterans to overly long contracts and look for potential breakout prospects. Which in theory, isn't that far off and like many have said, much better than the old system.

Where they went wrong is how drastically the ratings change. Very very few players come out of ST that much better or worse than they were before it. What they could have done and maybe this is something we can look to forward to in the future, is having older pitchers take a 1-2mph dip in their velocity (in turn dropping their K's per 9, increasing their H/9 etc) and have older position players take a hit in athletic attributes like Speed (tho not baserunning ability cuz guys typically don't forget how to run, just they're not as quick) and other physical attributes like a RHB struggling against RHP and LHB struggling more against LHP, leading to more platooning later in their careers (a la Andruw Jones recently and what Justin Morneau SHOULD be this year etc). I think this would be a much better system and over time you could make hitter's discipline ratings start dropping (as they start guessing more to keep up with fastballs which leads to expanding their zones) and have pitcher's stamina start dropping as they hit later years too.

I'm very happy this might get changed this year as it is though. But I was more than comfortable playing within the prior setup, it just would have hurt my enjoyment.