Franchise Player Ratings Decline

[seanjeezy]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Actually I could list a deluge of players who's peak exceeded 3-4 years easily. You could look at the current rosters and find alot of players with peaks over 5 years, let's list a few eh?

CC
Braun
Pujols
Miggy
Halladay
Berkman
Holliday
ARod
Jeter
Rollins
Fielder
etc etc...

The problems lies in injuries and mediocre talents stringing together a season or two of good production or late bloomers who have played too many years to parlay that late start into a notable peak.

The best players will tend to give you 5-7 years of elite production, injuries excepted. The truly elite who came up early enough will give you over a decade of elite production.

Not sure why you're getting pissy with me, but I was referring to the average player... the ones you listed are clearly the exception. Its like you only read the first two sentences and decided to post, I specifically mentioned that guys like Trout and Felix are the exception to the rule and therefore should sustain longer periods of success.

Anyway, players are able to maintain their high ratings for quite a few seasons, 7 years later Felix is still a 99 in my test franchise. Granted, he was probably higher than a 99 to begin with but the regression has been minimal, around 1-2 points at the most, but even that has been offset by the occasional increase in his /9 ratings...

Edit:

Felix is still a 97 going into the 2020 season, didn't skip a single spring training...

[geisterhome]

M.Trout 31 years old 99 overall in three sims I did today

that's whats Russell commented in the community day impressions thread after the participants already recognised the trout regression problems back then. unfortunately it didn't hold true...

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[glenzariczny]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

What would be really awesome is if there was a progression screen a la in Madden where you could easily see which attributes were increasing/decreasing, and by how much. Would help you with where to focus your training too

[BBallcoach]

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What would be really awesome is if there was a progression screen a la in Madden where you could easily see which attributes were increasing/decreasing, and by how much. Would help you with where to focus your training too

there is... looking in the training screen it will have the +/- it takes about 2 months

[glenzariczny]

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there is... looking in the training screen it will have the +/- it takes about 2 months

Oh really? I hadn't thought to look there. That is awesome thank you

[Cavicchi]

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First of all, I wonder how many people actually play a franchise for 5+ seasons, not simming.

I don't see why Trout shouldn't be a 99 at age 28 or even 29. I see no reason why there should be a limit on how many years a player can be 99.

I don't see Felix Hernandez as a 99 now or years from now. He had a great season in 2010 but since then has not even been close. On the other hand, Verlander has put together two great seasons and Kershaw has as well. I know the game loves Hernandez more than Kershaw because of how they are rated, both 99 but there is a telling difference:

Hernandez is rated 82 for giving up home runs, and Kershaw is rated 76. Meanwhile, over the past 3 seasons, Kershaw has given up fewer home runs than Hernandez.

I don't see myself playing more than 5 seasons in franchise mode, and I play every game. I can understand the issue with guys who sim games/seasons, but you can never predict the future. Mike Trout could be a bust this year, Hernandez could continue on a downward path, Kershaw could have a terrible year. Players get hurt and it changes everything.

Considering my view on how players are rated in this game, I "fix" my guys and play ball.

[jseward92]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Doesn't happen if you skip spring training but by the end of the year those same players will drop 10-15 points. So either way their ratings are going to fall.

[GreenGlen]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Knight has suggested in osfm thread to just skip ST altogether now and just end ST. I hope this can be patched.

[geisterhome]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Knight has suggested in osfm thread to just skip ST altogether now and just end ST. I hope this can be patched.

Keep voting for the bug report in my signature

[woody2goody]

After having the game for a few days I'm looking at this a bit differently.

Think about it, it's rare when a player drops off that he gets worse during a season. Usually when he drops off, one season will be noticeably worse than the last.

This is why the declines make perfect sense. In my Nat's franchise, Adam LaRoche declined after ST. He is still playing at a good level, but these declines are doing a good job of simulating his offensive production declining.

Next season he will struggle to make the starting lineup, but his defence will still be good.

Using David Ortiz as an example, he's going into this season at a certain level. Obviously the devs think that this year will be when we start to see him decline. If he does end up having a poor season, then that ratings drop will make perfect sense.

It's hard to explain, but if he has a poor season, and is barely above average as a major league player, then it will equal roughly mid-to-low 70s in the game. This is why the attribute decrease has to be after ST, because that way it gives more realistic numbers throughout the entire season than a gradual decline.

[Bondsfan]

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SCEA even figured out a way to factor in the in season HGH crackdown. Now new to MLB, older players will now age in real life, just as they do in video games!

[Cavicchi]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

After having the game for a few days I'm looking at this a bit differently.

Think about it, it's rare when a player drops off that he gets worse during a season. Usually when he drops off, one season will be noticeably worse than the last.

This is why the declines make perfect sense. In my Nat's franchise, Adam LaRoche declined after ST. He is still playing at a good level, but these declines are doing a good job of simulating his offensive production declining.

Next season he will struggle to make the starting lineup, but his defence will still be good.

Using David Ortiz as an example, he's going into this season at a certain level. Obviously the devs think that this year will be when we start to see him decline. If he does end up having a poor season, then that ratings drop will make perfect sense.

It's hard to explain, but if he has a poor season, and is barely above average as a major league player, then it will equal roughly mid-to-low 70s in the game. This is why the attribute decrease has to be after ST, because that way it gives more realistic numbers throughout the entire season than a gradual decline.

LaRoche is 33 so that fits into the declining years of this game.

[ptbnl]

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The more I think about it, the more I'm OK with this set up.

Every player is going to go through a decline at the end of his career (unless injury ends it abruptly), and most players are average or worse.

Those guys are going to disappear pretty quickly after they hit their decline phase (which is set up around 35 or so). That happens in real life, too. Those fringe starters/bench role guys aren't around very long after they're out of their primes.

Elite players and stars (Kemp, Jeter, Rivera, Ortiz, Burnett, etc) will fade too, but they will still be productive, though not the same as in their primes. They'll be closer to average and above-average players once they hit the decline phase.

Think about it: That happens all the time, that a former starter has to settle for a role of the bench, or playing less frequently. Or he has to change position, or he retires (Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada come to mind as recent examples).

Even the guys that stick around aren't still hitting .350 and 40 homers; they're closer to .300-.280 and 20-30. But they're still able to produce.

As much as I was dreading franchise when I first started following this thread, I'm actually looking forward to it now. You have to be careful about who you offer long-term deals to, and how far into the decline phase you're willing to go.

You can still take a guy until he's 37 if it means the difference between signing him and not signing him, and those last two or three years aren't going to kill you; they just aren't going to be the same player you signed originally.

[timmuh1515]

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The spring training this is a bug...it shouldn't work one way and not the other...bug. However...easily worked around.

The talent drop is fine (a little randomness would be cool though). With drug testing...players are going to start declining at normal ages. Sometime it will be a very steep decline or just the inability to stay healthy.

[etched Chaos]

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The spring training this is a bug...it shouldn't work one way and not the other...bug. However...easily worked around.

The talent drop is fine (a little randomness would be cool though). With drug testing...players are going to start declining at normal ages. Sometime it will be a very steep decline or just the inability to stay healthy.

It needs fixing regardless because us RTTS players have no option to avoid the bug, so those regressions and progressions get really funky as you progress in your career.