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  • js3512
    Banned
    • May 2012
    • 437

    #31
    Maybe the default ratings don't have any progression from last season figured into them yet so the game figures it in at the end of spring training? My question would be, does it continue after spring and throughout the season?

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    • thefakeJTS
      Pro
      • Nov 2012
      • 913

      #32
      Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

      I haven't started a franchise yet, but I really like the impressions from the new progression/regression system. I can see how many people can be upset about it though if it is as extreme as some say after the first spring training. This would be a great system if it didn't effect the 2013 season.
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      • tabarnes19_SDS
        Game Designer
        • Feb 2003
        • 3084

        #33
        Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

        Originally posted by thefakeJTS
        I haven't started a franchise yet, but I really like the impressions from the new progression/regression system. I can see how many people can be upset about it though if it is as extreme as some say after the first spring training. This would be a great system if it didn't effect the 2013 season.
        Players might show a drop after Spring training, but it levels out after that. Everyone uses Jeter as an example After spring training he drops to around 75 from 91. In year 2 he is a 71.

        Remember that OVL is dependent on a combination of ratings and weights. I can make a player high rated and make him terrible by taking a shortstop increasing his defense ratings and putting hit hitting attributes low, he would probably be a 90.

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        • ExileSkim03
          Rookie
          • Mar 2012
          • 9

          #34
          Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

          We scrapped the franchise and started over in SEASON mode and the ratings don't go down. We play every single game so it's better this way since chances are we probably won't make it all the way to another season so it doesn't matter for us.

          Still think it's weird that those players go down that much after only 30 days.

          The idea or progression/regression is awesome but i don't think it should be the extravagant after such a short time.

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          • ptbnl
            Rookie
            • Mar 2012
            • 348

            #35
            Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

            So will we see dramatic regression/progression TWICE after the season ends?

            Like, once the season/playoffs are over, then AGAIN when ST finishes? That might be a little much...
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            • imfletcher00
              Rookie
              • Oct 2011
              • 139

              #36
              Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

              I think its a great feature. I can understand the frustration, but yeah maybe it means that auto pilot is dangerous and the old dogs are going to have to fend off the younger players. I'm in.

              As long as Posey and Cain don't count as old farts now...
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              • MoleDude
                Rookie
                • Apr 2010
                • 461

                #37
                Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                This doesn't seem to be random, anyone 36+ in the game has dropped. I did not notice a single player over 36 that didn't seem to have a significant drop in their overall rating. If this were random, I wouldn't be as annoyed by it, but it doesn't seem random at all...granted I've only started one franchise.

                I didn't check until a little over halfway into the season, but the highest rated players 36 or over are these three in the franchise I was simming.

                JJ Putz @ 80 (-13)
                Konerko @79 (-15)
                Dickey @ 78 (-17)

                While I don't really care about the OVR personally on my team, it can drastically affect what the CPU does with their rosters. I realize 30 team control is kind of the norm, and I generally do this as well with my main franchise, but anyone not using 30 team is going to see some pretty wonky stuff (not that wonky didn't happen in prior years).

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                • Danbo80
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 185

                  #38
                  Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                  I'll Use Dickey as my example.

                  1)as a Knuckleballer Dickey is arguably entering his prime(I know, crazy at his age).

                  2)If the Devs Disagree then why rate him as a 90+ to begin with.

                  Just because he's old means he has to regress? And after ST.
                  I like the new progression/regression system. I just think it should wait for the first offseason to kick in.

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                  • ptbnl
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 348

                    #39
                    Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                    Why would players regress right before the season starts? Why not just rate those older players lower to begin with?

                    Isn't the point to play with the players as they are this year? In 2013? Not a year ahead?

                    I'm all for advanced/increased regression/progression, but right as the season starts? That doesn't make much sense.
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                    • therockstar2005
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 330

                      #40
                      Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                      Curious. Wanted to try simming a little bit and seeing what could happen. When I loaded up a franchise, hitting "end spring training" from the main menu brought me right to the beginning of the season without any players moving. This however does include no one progressing forward either. Interesting if you're looking for a workaround.

                      In another franchise I simmed to year 2, and what happened to old guys in year 1 seemed to be repeated here. Big drop from start of spring to end of it. Some people it really seemed to affect their stats too, but others not as much.

                      All of that said,I'm actually liking seeing the progression move as it is - young guys really do progress and earn a chance (Shelby Miller earned himself a rotation spot in spring training...just like in real life ). Not as sure I like seeing RA Dickey go to a 68 by the end of the year, since that does seem to affect how the CPU uses him (they put him in the bullpen...). But I do like that the best players won't be at age 40 anymore. Maybe the drop off is a bit much, but I'm seeing guys in mid-30s start to lose just a bit (Matt Holliday is at an 88 at age 34). Besides, how many guys can really keep going after 37-38?

                      Really makes developing a farm system worth it to see the young guys develop (again, like in real life).
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                      • MrOldboy
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 2653

                        #41
                        Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                        Can anyone comment more on how the overall rating affects the CPU?

                        Even if a player like Jeter still performs well, if his overall drops significantly how does this affect the CPU in terms of trades, FA, lineups, MLB/AAA/AA rosters, etc.

                        If it uses the individual ratings this isn't a big deal, but if the CPU uses the overall for a lot of its AI decisions I can see why some would be upset by this.

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                        • MoleDude
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 461

                          #42
                          Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                          Originally posted by MrOldboy
                          Can anyone comment more on how the overall rating affects the CPU?

                          Even if a player like Jeter still performs well, if his overall drops significantly how does this affect the CPU in terms of trades, FA, lineups, MLB/AAA/AA rosters, etc.

                          If it uses the individual ratings this isn't a big deal, but if the CPU uses the overall for a lot of its AI decisions I can see why some would be upset by this.
                          I can give you a couple examples from a fantasy draft franchise I did. Mo Rivera and Zach Cozart (A potential mid 70's SS) were traded for Brandon League at the trade deadline...stats for Rivera and League were fairly similar.

                          Derek Jeter was on the bench behind another mid 70's rated SS, Jeter was hitting in the .260's, the other SS was hitting in the low .200's.

                          There are certainly some instances where the older players are still starting, and performing well. These are just two things that stuck out at me.

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                          • tylerh
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 207

                            #43
                            Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                            I noticed a similar problem with the Braves. Tim Hudson dropped from a high 80 something to a mid 70 just over the course of Spring Training. My young players progressed way too fast. Jason Heyward jumped up 5 or 6 overall, as did Freddie Freeman and Justin Upton. Guys routinely had their power ratings jump up 10 points over Spring Training. It's definitely an issue that needs fixed.

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                            • ForzaZuffa
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 52

                              #44
                              Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                              Originally posted by tabarnes19
                              Its not a bug it is done intentionally and not ALL older players will see such a drastic drop. The players you are seeing take dives are guys 37 plus. Typically they hit the wall in real life as well. I'm in year 2 Halladay is still an 85. I think its a great feature of the game. Be careful of those long term deals after 34-35 they aren't going to be the same player...
                              I'm not sure why ppl are dumb founded 37+yo are dropping... I think the player progression so far from what I've done in chise far outweighs the regression. I love the new system so far

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                              • Betterai
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 489

                                #45
                                Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

                                Originally posted by therockstar2005
                                Curious. Wanted to try simming a little bit and seeing what could happen. When I loaded up a franchise, hitting "end spring training" from the main menu brought me right to the beginning of the season without any players moving. This however does include no one progressing forward either. Interesting if you're looking for a workaround.
                                I picked up this too, none of the older players on my Yankees franchise dropped when I just hit "end spring training".....they did however severely decline during the offseason, which seemed the more appropriate time for that to happen......overall tho I am pleased with the progression/regression system, it's the best it's been in the series and much improved over MLB 12....I hope SCEA doesn't drastically change it
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