Franchise Player Ratings Decline

[lce5007]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

I've noticed the same thing. Yes, some should get worse faster than others, but who has that big of a difference from the start of a season to the end? I did a fantasy draft and had seven of my guys drop thirty points by the end of the season. Mariano Rivera (who has been over 35 years old for a few years now) dropped to a 63 overall by seasons end!? Sure he is old and all that, but they made him worse than some Double A guys. I checked around on other teams and same thing happens. I saw Michael Young drop to the 60's, but Ryan Howard went to 90 and Utley to 80's. Cliff Lee dropped slightly, but Halladay plummeted to the 70's. I don't know the first thing about how to fix this stuff, but I would think there is a way. They should have guys who have been consistently good in their careers slowly decline and not lose a third of their ability in one year.

[timmuh1515]

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I understand the thought process behind it. I also understand that it is hard to get something 100% the first time you try it. However, just a sweeping reduction in the ratings of everyone over the age of 36 hardly seems like a reasonable solution.

I agree that it is better than having guys age to be 40 years old and keep their rating at 90 until they retire. That is annoying. But I'm playing a Blue Jays franchise and arguably my best rotation member(Dickey) and best bullpen pitcher(Darren Oliver) keep declining very rapidly. Now, maybe they are both going to fall off a cliff in real life this year, who knows? But, Darren Oliver has been a great pitcher for many years, and he has been old for awhile. Dickey has been great the past 3 season and is the defending Cy Young winner.

I shouldn't have to keep tweaking their stats to keep them reasonable. It makes me feel like I am cheating the game. I'm fine with Dickey declining and ending the year as an 80-85 pitcher. He is old and in the AL now, not an easy combo. But dropping 15-20 points right out of spring training? It is silly.

Didn't Oliver retire!

Anyway...while regression is definitely a goal...my guess is that the spring training effect was unintentional and will likely be patched.

[PhillyWhat2011]

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I think it's cause you are auto training players... Manually train players and I doubt we will get that bad of regression. Like in spring training switch the focus every week. In the season go every 2 or 3 weeks. On auto it just focuses on one set of attributes I noticed in my chise last night.

I think this may be it or at least part of the problem. When I was messing around with the franchise I tried the Phillies I had similar results but I found the auto training to be odd. They have Michael Young speed, Ben Rever power, Cliff Lee fielding etc.

[Mike10693]

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I simmed through my spring training and Ortiz was still a 91 opening day. I am using this as an example because someone mentioned earlier he dropped to a 79. Guess I got lucky

[ptbnl]

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I don't have a problem with the older guys (35 or 36 and up) regressing faster (or even if they regress faster at each year [ie: 36 y/os get worse faster than 35; 38 faster than 36; etc...].

But the blanket age regression after a certain point (anyone older than 35 gets worse at this rate, regardless of age) is not realistic either.

Also, 15 or 20 points in a month is a lot for anyone, old or not. That can't be what was intended. I could see a few overall points after spring, but 20 points.

There is no way you can tell me that after the real life ST David Ortiz will be that much worse than he was before it started. Or Jeter, or Dickey or anyone. There is no way they should drop a quarter of their overall because they went to spring training...

[BrianU]

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I don't want to be forced to manually train all my players for this reason:
The CPU teams do not do it efficiently therefore my team gains an advantage over them. As the guy above me said, they are training Michael Young to improve his speed?..

This part of the game really stands out and bothers me as the rest of the game is designed so perfectly and deep. I know they overhauled Training, it seems they didn't do much to improve the AI logic aspect of training.

So if I have to choose between the lesser of two evils I would leave my team on auto training to keep things even and not feel like I am 'gaming the system' by manually training to improve my players better than the CPU teams and just suffer with the radical overall drops. If the drops were 5 points instead of 10 points or 10 points instead of 15 it would be a lot better imo

[jnavarro]

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I actually DO think there is a bug at play here. If you play some of spring training it happens, if you don't, it won't. I think what is happening is that a full season and offseason of player regression/progression is taking place in spring training. I don't think that is what the developers intended and I bet it will be patched. I do like the progression/regression model for the season though and I think that will stay.

[imfletcher00]

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I Started my season with the Giants and after Spring Training I saw a slight drop but nothing to cry about. Vogelsong and Zito dropped a few points and my younger players advanced a little bit. Panda and Hunter Pence got better by two points.

I think its cool, but again I have yet to see a corner stone player on my team drop off a cliff. I agree with a previous post, a little HGH would be a nice add-on for purchase to keep your old players from dropping so fast.

Haha.

[ptbnl]

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I've noticed the same thing. Yes, some should get worse faster than others, but who has that big of a difference from the start of a season to the end? I did a fantasy draft and had seven of my guys drop thirty points by the end of the season. Mariano Rivera (who has been over 35 years old for a few years now) dropped to a 63 overall by seasons end!? Sure he is old and all that, but they made him worse than some Double A guys. I checked around on other teams and same thing happens. I saw Michael Young drop to the 60's, but Ryan Howard went to 90 and Utley to 80's. Cliff Lee dropped slightly, but Halladay plummeted to the 70's. I don't know the first thing about how to fix this stuff, but I would think there is a way. They should have guys who have been consistently good in their careers slowly decline and not lose a third of their ability in one year.

I always thought guys with better potential would get better faster and get worse a little slower than the rest. So if you're an F potential, you're gonna be gone pretty quick, but you probably weren't very good to begin with.

Guys who have A potential would hang around a little longer and so forth. Why wouldn't it do that? Then you could limit how many play beyond their mid-30s without having them just go in the crapper immediately.

[JoshC1977]

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So I guess the roster I put together of 37+ year olds is going to really suck after spring training

(I'm serious....this is my annual tradition before OSFM rosters come out...I put together a team of old geezers and work through a season....)

Now, more importantly....what individual stats are dropping? If they are athletic abilities, that is one thing. But if plate discipline ratings drop, I have a bigger issue as a player doesn't lose his skills as much as his athletic ability.

[JayD]

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Tim Hudson drops down big time in my Braves franchise. I think he was in the high 60's by the end of the year.

[BBallcoach]

I like the regression but I'd have to agree, that it seems a but drastic to start the year. If it was after a month into the season and the players were performing bad I think it would be a little more realistic

[joshize]

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I think it's cause you are auto training players... Manually train players and I doubt we will get that bad of regression. Like in spring training switch the focus every week. In the season go every 2 or 3 weeks. On auto it just focuses on one set of attributes I noticed in my chise last night.

Not quite true. I just started one with the Pirates and found this out before coming on here. I did manual training. I trained AJ Burnett in a certain deal... now, I left it the same throughout all of Spring Training and he still declined in the attributes I was training him in... just less of a decline.

I have no problems with this added into the game... but I do agree that it should NOT happen in season 1. They already rate the players according to the 2013 season.

Also, is there something about A vs B vs C potential players? Or are all going down the same? Truth is... I'm SO glad we won't be seeing 31 year olds get the Rookie of the Year Award every season, like last year!!

2013 season really shouldn't even have Spring Training... it just makes us use an option on some players right out of the gate. I guess I'll have to go set the 40 man rosters to 25 players before the season starts on every team. Then just do the End Spring Training option. I was kind of looking forward to using Spring Training to see who would get that 5th Rotation spot for the Pirates. And to see if Tabata can beat out Snider for the RF job. But this would be worth it to still get a better year from AJ Burnett who is supposed to be our Ace but instead had the lowest rating of all my starters.

And for the record... I probably don't plan on resigning Burnett after this year... even before I knew about the drop in attributes.

I think this is a good thing... and it seems ppl have seen a fix by not simming through ST but instead just ending it.

PS... Mo is announcing that this is his last year anyway... so who cares. And I would venture to say that Jeter plays only one more year after this... maybe another, but probably not. AROD is more than likely done after this year. AJ Burnett may even retire in the next couple years.

Let's face it... the Yankees are old... it may be a good team to start a franchise with because you get the option to bring in new blood and they can afford to do it right. Go rip off a few prospects from other teams and either play them now, or let them develop a little more while you have one bad season keeping only a few pieces. Ship out Tex, Grandy, Youk, Nunez, Ichiro, Joba, Kuroda, Pineda, and CC. You could build a nice group of guys in your minors for those guys. And the teams you trade them to can still get a year or two out of them. And you still have a nice team. Sign a couple big free agents and you'll be favored to win the East in 2014.

But I think this new system will really even out play between small and big market teams. The small market teams will get the draft picks and bring them up... the big markets will get those players when they go to free agency. Then eventually they will go back to a small market to decline for a couple years while they're waiting to develop the next big thing. lol.

That's my 2¢. ... It took me over an hour to post this because I drive an hour from work and I left this halfway done... left work.. and finished it at home. lol

[lce5007]

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I simmed one season. Going into the 2014 season, my current AA shortstops consist of a 35 year old Jimmy Rollins at 69 overall and a 39 year old Derek Jeter at 65 overall. You mean to tell me those two will be so bad in a year that they'll get shipped to AA ball?

[BBallcoach]

Not quite true. I just started one with the Pirates and found this out before coming on here. I did manual training. I trained AJ Burnett in a certain deal... now, I left it the same throughout all of Spring Training and he still declined in the attributes I was training him in... just less of a decline.

I have no problems with this added into the game... but I do agree that it should NOT happen in season 1. They already rate the players according to the 2013 season.

Also, is there something about A vs B vs C potential players? Or are all going down the same? Truth is... I'm SO glad we won't be seeing 31 year olds get the Rookie of the Year Award every season, like last year!!

2013 season really shouldn't even have Spring Training... it just makes us use an option on some players right out of the gate. I guess I'll have to go set the 40 man rosters to 25 players before the season starts on every team. Then just do the End Spring Training option. I was kind of looking forward to using Spring Training to see who would get that 5th Rotation spot for the Pirates. And to see if Tabata can beat out Snider for the RF job. But this would be worth it to still get a better year from AJ Burnett who is supposed to be our Ace but instead had the lowest rating of all my starters.

And for the record... I probably don't plan on resigning Burnett after this year... even before I knew about the drop in attributes.

I think this is a good thing... and it seems ppl have seen a fix by not simming through ST but instead just ending it.

PS... Mo is announcing that this is his last year anyway... so who cares. And I would venture to say that Jeter plays only one more year after this... maybe another, but probably not. AROD is more than likely done after this year. AJ Burnett may even retire in the next couple years.

Let's face it... the Yankees are old... it may be a good team to start a franchise with because you get the option to bring in new blood and they can afford to do it right. Go rip off a few prospects from other teams and either play them now, or let them develop a little more while you have one bad season keeping only a few pieces. Ship out Tex, Grandy, Youk, Nunez, Ichiro, Joba, Kuroda, Pineda, and CC. You could build a nice group of guys in your minors for those guys. And the teams you trade them to can still get a year or two out of them. And you still have a nice team. Sign a couple big free agents and you'll be favored to win the East in 2014.

But I think this new system will really even out play between small and big market teams. The small market teams will get the draft picks and bring them up... the big markets will get those players when they go to free agency. Then eventually they will go back to a small market to decline for a couple years while they're waiting to develop the next big thing. lol.

That's my 2¢. ... It took me over an hour to post this because I drive an hour from work and I left this halfway done... left work.. and finished it at home. lol

I didn't mean they wouldn't decline at all just not as bad. There should be some decline if a player had a bad spring imo