first pitch meatballs....bug?

**TBone012984** · 03-06-2013, 04:07 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by dkrause1971

I didn't say it was the first pitch of the ABs. i said i am only seeing this with the first pitch of the inning. Each inning, first pitch you see.

Are you playing RTTS? For most people in this thread and myself it's the first pitch of almost every AB!

**dkrause1971** · 03-06-2013, 04:09 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by TBone012984

Are you playing RTTS? For most people in this thread and myself it's the first pitch of almost every AB!

No, because in RTTS is basically a new inning each of your Abs based on how you set it up. I am stating exhibition games on All-Star.

**TBone012984** · 03-06-2013, 04:09 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by lVlAtlZiX

Watching a stream right now and have seen 5 straight HRs in the first AB of RTTS, all of em no doubters that were FBs straight down the middle.

Yup!

Does anyone know if OS Admins have any contacts over at SECA? How can we make sure this message gets across to them?

**JoshC1977** · 03-06-2013, 04:10 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by Bobhead

Well... the first pitch in any given at-bat in RTTS is basically identical to the first pitch in an entire game, because of all the simming that happens in between. There isn't much carryover from one at-bat to another.

When the game goes into "play" mode, for your at-bat, it artificially determines and creates confidence, pitch history, strategic planning data, etc... on the fly, right at that given time. That's why you can't really use the L3 info for a preceding at-bat, or anything like that. So it makes sense that RTTS players are seeing it every single at-bat, while exhibition/franchise guys are only seeing it with fresh pitchers.

This is exactly what I was thinking too Bobhead....I think that this point is where the logic is screwy in the game.....

**bcruise** · 03-06-2013, 04:11 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Has anyone who thinks this is an issue tried lowering the CPU Strike Frequency slider? That's exactly what it does, you know - lowers the strike % in early counts (up to the first 3 pitches in an at-bat, before either the pitcher or batter gets ahead). It doesn't affect the entire at-bat directly (though it could certainly affect the pitch selection and strategy for the remainder of it)

**BrianU** · 03-06-2013, 04:12 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by dkrause1971

I didn't say it was the first pitch of every AB. i said i am only seeing this with the first pitch of the inning. Each inning, first pitch you see.

Sorry I was responding to your comment about the video. The first pitch of the top of the 4th Niese throws a first pitch meatball to Neil Walker. But then the first pitch of the top of the 5th Niese throws a curveball low way outside the zone to Pedro Alvarez.

**dkrause1971** · 03-06-2013, 04:17 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by BrianU

Sorry I was responding to your comment about the video. The first pitch of the top of the 4th Niese throws a first pitch meatball to Neil Walker. But then the first pitch of the top of the 5th Niese throws a curveball low way outside the zone to Pedro Alvarez.

Which is correct. But that is a sample of 2. I do not claim its 100%. In my two games that i tracked each inning, i did have a one inning/occurance that wasn't a #1 pitch thrown down the middle. I have had 18 innings. 1 wasn't a #1 pitch and it was a ball. 17 other times it was the #1 pitch. All were strikes, 3 of those were low strikes, the rest down the middle. This is in exhibition, all-star. I mentioned prior i have faced five relievers in those games. Three started an inning. The other two did throw their #1 pitch on the first pitch. One was down the middle. The other was a strike slightly to the right. I should add i was the road team both games. I'll be the home team next time.

**jmik58** · 03-06-2013, 04:18 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Some of the sliders could have an inverse relationship with the effect you're seeking. Lowering the pitcher consistency slider could make them throw MORE meatballs. Assuming that their pitcher wants to hit the corner, up the slider so they don't miss down the middle.

I would highly suggest that people consider having three different sets of sliders. One for AA, AAA, and MLB games. The skill of the CPU players is going to be much lower in AA, perhaps too low. So use the sliders to make them better. Just don't use the same set when you play MLB games or you might be outmatched.

Playing RTTS in AA you might need to speed up the fielders and make them react faster or throw harder so you don't see as many triples, etc.

**BrianU** · 03-06-2013, 04:30 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by dkrause1971

Which is correct. But that is a sample of 2. I do not claim its 100%. In my two games that i tracked each inning, i did have a one inning/occurance that wasn't a #1 pitch thrown down the middle. I have had 18 innings. 1 wasn't a #1 pitch and it was a ball. 17 other times it was the #1 pitch. All were strikes, 3 of those were low strikes, the rest down the middle. This is in exhibition, all-star. I mentioned prior i have faced five relievers in those games. Three started an inning. The other two did throw their #1 pitch on the first pitch. One was down the middle. The other was a strike slightly to the right. I should add i was the road team both games. I'll be the home team next time.

I understand. It looks like the average of first pitch strikes in all at-bats is around 58-62%. I can't find any stats about the strike percentage of just the first batter of an inning but I assume it's somewhat close to this maybe slightly higher. This does sound to be an issue, albeit not as large as the RTTS issue dealing with EVERY at-bat.

There is a bug report on The Show Nation site about just the RTTS first pitch bug, it has 5 votes. Maybe we should have someone make another bug report about the exhibition/franchise first pitch of each inning bug and up vote both of them if we all agree these are indeed the issues and have a consensus

**dkrause1971** · 03-06-2013, 04:37 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by BrianU

I understand. It looks like the average of first pitch strikes in all at-bats is around 58-62%. I can't find any stats about the strike percentage of just the first batter of an inning but I assume it's somewhat close to this maybe slightly higher. This does sound to be an issue, albeit not as large as the RTTS issue dealing with EVERY at-bat.

There is a bug report on The Show Nation site about just the RTTS first pitch bug, it has 5 votes. Maybe we should have someone make another bug report about the exhibition/franchise first pitch of each inning bug and up vote both of them if we all agree these are indeed the issues and have a consensus

This should be very easy for others to test. I am playing Texas at Toronto- Exhibition- All-Star. Simming everything but the first pitch in an inning and seeing the result to make sure. Texas pitchers have thrown their #1 pitch each inning, one was a ball. Second game was similar in that all nine were #1s again, but 3 of them were not right down the middle.

What is funny is i thought this thread was full of it when i first saw it. I didn't even notice that it was happening to me.

Bug report 10370 if anyone else would like to recommend it. I would at least like to see others test it.

**ParisB** · 03-06-2013, 04:38 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by jmik58

Some of the sliders could have an inverse relationship with the effect you're seeking. Lowering the pitcher consistency slider could make them throw MORE meatballs. Assuming that their pitcher wants to hit the corner, up the slider so they don't miss down the middle.

I would highly suggest that people consider having three different sets of sliders. One for AA, AAA, and MLB games. The skill of the CPU players is going to be much lower in AA, perhaps too low. So use the sliders to make them better. Just don't use the same set when you play MLB games or you might be outmatched.

Playing RTTS in AA you might need to speed up the fielders and make them react faster or throw harder so you don't see as many triples, etc.

Control affects the meatballs a lot more than Consistency.

**Bahnzo** · 03-06-2013, 04:45 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by bcruise

Has anyone who thinks this is an issue tried lowering the CPU Strike Frequency slider? That's exactly what it does, you know - lowers the strike % in early counts (up to the first 3 pitches in an at-bat, before either the pitcher or batter gets ahead). It doesn't affect the entire at-bat directly (though it could certainly affect the pitch selection and strategy for the remainder of it)

I mentioned this earlier in the thread and of course it's ignored. This slider has always needed to be adjusted and seems like it's no difference this year. I'll have to try it out some more tonight, because I noticed there was seemingly too many 1st pitch fastballs as well. But this was in RttS and AA, where it makes sense that weaker pitchers are trying to get ahead.

ie: lower the slider guys, or up the difficulty...or both.

**MLB Bob** · 03-06-2013, 04:56 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I have always played with 1 or 2 ticks for strike frequency, I mentioned it earlier if you follow the thread..it still happens in RTTS. The "helpful" suggestions arent helpful, we arent stupid, or most of us arent. Ive tried lowering and then upped everything but strike frequency and it still happens. Ive played 17 games in RTTS and I have 12 home runs, I had 7 after 6 games. Im crushing the ball because its coming right down the middle, or there abouts, its not in the corners or outside. Just what Im seeing and have tried all the helpful hints.

**ParisB** · 03-06-2013, 05:14 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Originally posted by MLB Bob

I have always played with 1 or 2 ticks for strike frequency, I mentioned it earlier if you follow the thread..it still happens in RTTS. The "helpful" suggestions arent helpful, we arent stupid, or most of us arent. Ive tried lowering and then upped everything but strike frequency and it still happens. Ive played 17 games in RTTS and I have 12 home runs, I had 7 after 6 games. Im crushing the ball because its coming right down the middle, or there abouts, its not in the corners or outside. Just what Im seeing and have tried all the helpful hints.

Try this:

CPU Control - 5 (default)
CPU Consistency - 3
CPU Strike Frequency - 0

**Margul** · 03-06-2013, 05:22 PM

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Just finished my first 4 franchise games, and while i am no where near "good" at baseball games, i am playing on all-star, with default sliders, and while i get a good challenge from the computer, (in fact striking out more then i should and walking far to rarely) i would say 85 percent of my "well hit balls" come in the very first pitch of the at bat. In the game i just played, i hit 3 home runs on the very first pitch a batter sees, even when i am hoping to lay off, they are just too right there to ignore. Its not every pitch, some are thrown well outside as the cpu adapts to my aggressiveness, but the best pitches i see are always the first...

first pitch meatballs....bug?

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