Destined to lose?

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Destined to lose?

This sounds like a complaint about video games in general and not being in TOTAL control. Most of us don't particularly want to be able to make the game do everything we want when we want. There would be no challenge or sense of accomplishment. There would be no joy when what we want to happen actually does happen.

As far as "what determines what." everything in the game is driven by ratings and how they interact with other ratings. From there each outcome has a probability that it will happen, and I don't think probability is ever 1, meaning you will see different things happen from the same starting point....even if you re-create your actions faithfully.

Probability is a hard concept that very few really understand it's obviously not a priority in primary/secondary education.

Say what but attributes get skewed most of the game depending the so called (Momentum factor) and you can still create the same effect using real sliders and attributes then just counting on the pitcher confidence/control ect to initiate all the randomness and unbalance .
Now my issue is if I throw a freaking ball in the dirty at a key moment and some unseen force makes it go in the strike zone to initiate a outcome I CANT CONTROL THATS A HUGE ISSUE AND A MAJOR FLAW and at that point why even play ? ( NOT THE OUTCOME BUT THE MECHANICS )
Now I do know why scea has to do things this way because of their programming and I dont care BUT cant they at least make it seem like its not so blatant visual (scripted force feeling) as it really takes away from the games integritty and the only thing worse than that is when Im giving a freebie I didnt earn .
Example : Im making great decisions and choices all game and Im getting nothing (gimped in sake of sim ) but then out of nowhere (Momentum) rears its ugly head and Im rewarded for nothing like Im not even playing and please dont say thats just baseball as it really disingenuous .
I mean at this point unless your playing MOM mode , simming or just watching who would enjoy that type of outcome as a interactive gamer so why even play at this point ?

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: Destined to lose?

Everything is not determined by ratings. Schierholtz does not run like Mike Trout with a speed rating of 50. I gave Medlen a home run rating of 81 and he gave up 2 homers out of 4 hits. Medlen's rating for homers does not suggest giving up 2 homers from 4 hits. None of the pitches for home runs by Medlen was where I wanted it.

As for expecting realism, I never said this game is realistic. I responded to a post that mentioned Beginner Mode.

If the CPU likes a player, the player does well. I can bring in who the CPU likes and he gets a pass even on a pitch thrown to a bad spot. Fielders the CPU likes do better than than those that should be better.

I play to have fun, but a fairly close to realistic approach would be appreciated. In addition, I don't think what I experience is all that strange given what others experience on higher levels.

Hmmm.. So everything is not determined by ratings? I did not know you did the coding yourself, my apologies.

You say you play for fun, but it doesn't seem as though you are enjoying it really.

But you are seriously basing your whole argument off of 2 out of 4 hits being homers? As I said before, probability is hard for most people.

Sounds like this game just isn't for you. There are many out there (myself included) who find the game producing very realistic stats and providing a balance between ratings and skill.

Not to mention there are cheaper and less time-consuming ways to torture oneself.

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Destined to lose?

Sounds like this game just isn't for you. There are many out there (myself included) who find the game producing very realistic stats and providing a balance between ratings and skill.

Yes I find the stats dead on if you set the game up fairly with your skill level and the Boxscores also look great a real strong part of the game but its the " Scripted Feeling " as a visual that needs much improvement IMO as its really bad at key moments and noninteractive .

[Thruter]

Oh I was away and missed a few episodes of that hilarious sitcom.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: Destined to lose?

Say what but attributes get skewed most of the game depending the so called (Momentum factor) and you can still create the same effect using real sliders and attributes then just counting on the pitcher confidence/control ect to initiate all the randomness and unbalance .
Now my issue is if I throw a freaking ball in the dirty at a key moment and some unseen force makes it go in the strike zone to initiate a outcome I CANT CONTROL THATS A HUGE ISSUE AND A MAJOR FLAW and at that point why even play ? ( NOT THE OUTCOME BUT THE MECHANICS )
Now I do know why scea has to do things this way because of their programming and I dont care BUT cant they at least make it seem like its not so blatant visual (scripted force feeling) as it really takes away from the games integritty and the only thing worse than that is when Im giving a freebie I didnt earn .
Example : Im making great decisions and choices all game and Im getting nothing (gimped in sake of sim ) but then out of nowhere (Momentum) rears its ugly head and Im rewarded for nothing like Im not even playing and please dont say thats just baseball as it really disingenuous .
I mean at this point unless your playing MOM mode , simming or just watching who would enjoy that type of outcome as a interactive gamer so why even play at this point ?

There's the control thing again.....you want every pitch to go exactly where the target is. But let me ask you, what pitcher hits their spot 100% of the time? I'll hang up and listen to your response.

[G3no_11]

Re: Destined to lose?

This thread is going off the deep end.

Just because Medlen had an 81 HR/9 rating doesn't mean he can't give up 2 HR's on 4 hits. There are always exceptions and that was 1 game. Play an entire season and I bet his ratings will show more of an impact.

The best hitter's in baseball still strike out. The best pitcher's in baseball still get shelled on occasion. It's just how baseball is.

It's just how baseball is. It's just how baseball is. It's just how baseball is.

I'm starting to think that 90% of the people in here saying it's scripted/comeback code, don't even watch baseball at all. Just appreciate that this game can actually replicate how a lot of games play out in real life.

You don't think so? It's too scripted?
Seriously just watch a few games of baseball. Sometimes it really does feel like something is scripted in a real MLB game the way things play out.

Heck we might as well debate if the NBA was rigged for the Heat to win the Finals in 7 games. It's basically the same argument. (and totally bogus)

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Destined to lose?

There's the control thing again.....you want every pitch to go exactly where the target is. But let me ask you, what pitcher hits their spot 100% of the time? I'll hang up and listen to your response.

Please re read my response to your question but in short its not blended realistical visually and comes off as forced whether it favors the hu or cpu so not the outcome but the mechanics how it unfolds .

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Destined to lose?

This thread is going off the deep end.

Just because Medlen had an 81 HR/9 rating doesn't mean he can't give up 2 HR's on 4 hits. There are always exceptions and that was 1 game. Play an entire season and I bet his ratings will show more of an impact.

The best hitter's in baseball still strike out. The best pitcher's in baseball still get shelled on occasion. It's just how baseball is.

It's just how baseball is. It's just how baseball is. It's just how baseball is.

I'm starting to think that 90% of the people in here saying it's scripted/comeback code, don't even watch baseball at all. Just appreciate that this game can actually replicate how a lot of games play out in real life.

You don't think so? It's too scripted?
Seriously just watch a few games of baseball. Sometimes it really does feel like something is scripted in a real MLB game the way things play out.

Heck we might as well debate if the NBA was rigged for the Heat to win the Finals in 7 games. It's basically the same argument. (and totally bogus)

Two good eyes but still cant Please read the thread before posting at least the last few pages and find the one where Nomo says SCEA needs to lose that " Scripted type Feeling " .

[Cavicchi]

Re: Destined to lose?

Sounds like this game just isn't for you. There are many out there (myself included) who find the game producing very realistic stats and providing a balance between ratings and skill.

Have you seen Marmol throw a Mariano Rivera cutter in real baseball? Yes, he has a cutter with 99 movement in the default roster. Whatever any other roster gives Marmol, he only throws 2 pitch types, fastball and slider.

For me to pretend playing real baseball, I need realism in what pitchers throw. However, I am not trying to play real baseball, which is why I play this game.

I should explain the why. Well, I'll be 71 on August 2nd, so I just play for fun. Even so, I would much appreciate seeing pitchers throw what they do in real life, and proper ratings for all.

[G3no_11]

Re: Destined to lose?

Have you seen Marmol throw a Mariano Rivera cutter in real baseball? Yes, he has a cutter with 99 movement in the default roster. Whatever any other roster gives Marmol, he only throws 2 pitch types, fastball and slider.

For me to pretend playing real baseball, I need realism in what pitchers throw. However, I am not trying to play real baseball, which is why I play this game.

There are rosters you can download with more accurate pitch repertoires. I would highly suggest trying those out. The default rosters are pretty bad. Thankfully we have a great community that puts out great rosters to download.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Destined to lose?

There are rosters you can download with more accurate pitch repertoires. I would highly suggest trying those out. The default rosters are pretty bad. Thankfully we have a great community that puts out great rosters to download.

After all I said this strikes me as being very odd. Have I not said no roster is accurate because pitchers must have three pitch types? You could replace Marmol's cutter with whatever you desire--but it is still wrong!

When you bat against a pitcher that throws a pitch he doesn't have in real life, do you get the feeling of realism?

[G3no_11]

Re: Destined to lose?

After all I said this strikes me as being very odd. Have I not said no roster is accurate because pitchers must have three pitch types? You could replace Marmol's cutter with whatever you desire--but it is still wrong!

When you bat against a pitcher that throws a pitch he doesn't have in real life, do you get the feeling of realism?

Haha alright. Well I guess you're out of luck. Maybe when the PS4 version comes out you can have pitchers with 1 or 2 pitches instead of 3 or more. That's just how the game is programmed.

[DaBull_33]

Re: Destined to lose?

Up until this season, Marmol has thrown at least three pitches.

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.asp...790&position=P

I understand your frustration, but there is history to suggest that he has thrown 3+ pitches in the past.

Now, he has never thrown a cutter in the past, but as has been pointed out before on other threads, the default rosters are often way off when it comes to repertoires.

I think the reason for the 3 pitch minimum is that pretty much every pitcher in major league baseball has at least three pitches that they can throw, they simple choose to go with their two best pitches.

Either way, this is completely off topic, sorry. Didn't mean to jack the thread.

[nomo17k]

Re: Destined to lose?

I am guessing part of the reason for three pitch minimum restriction is to avoid the (unrealistic) guess pitch system to be exploitable.

Yeah the game with such an unrealistic mechanism is so ****ing unrealistic that we might as well stop playing and worry about the thing...

[Thruter]

accordingly to frangraphs.com , Marmol used to have 3 pitches (2009) and even 4 (2008). It's not because it's in his repertoire that he's to using it.

What you can do is set his 3rd pitch to a very very low control level (even 0). That way he'll have a very low confidence on that pitch and the CPU will rarely use it !!!