Destined to lose?

[nomo17k]

Re: Destined to lose?

"That's why I personally am NOT denying that, at times, there's some "scripted" feeling on how things happen. I want that feeling to go away."

So what were you trying to say?

Now are you trying to imply that my English is not good enough for you? That is just very pathetic of you to act like that at the age of 70. Please grow up, if you still have time to do so.

[Jordyn]

Nobody needs to sway my decision because I'm saying what I've been saying based primarily on (1) my own actually playing the game both vs HUM online and vs CPU, (2) my CPU vs. CPU test games, (3) what the SCEA developers have revealed (in documentations or forums like this), (4) what (reasonable) gamers have been stating about the game, (5) my knowledge about statistical data analysis (which is part of my day job), and (6) my knowledge about programming (which I get paid to do as well... yes I can fully understand The Show code, which I believe is mostly C or C++, if given the source code).

Of course, if programmers come out here any say anything about what I've said based on the above is incorrect, I'd just stand corrected. Because I know enough about programming.

The issue is, a lot of what you guys are doing/claiming JUST ARE PLAIN SILLY if you have a tiny bit of understanding as to the points (5) and (6). They just show the totally lack of understanding of statistical analysis and programming process. And you call them bogus?? I'm sorry but some people in this world are a little more capable than what you decide to believe.

Yes, bugs do happen. I hate them (and this year's game appear to have a few more than past years). But the game making things happen that are not explicitly coded in, on such a grand scale like forcing game situations??? Just shows you know nothing about computer programming.

Way to assume. I am a 34 year old business analyst with a large understanding of programming, I also do it as a day job, friend. I am speaking out of experiences with the game though and what I'm actually experiencing when playing.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Destined to lose?

2k sports games always feel that way to me.

[Jordyn]

The only way that's going away is on your end.....when you finally understand that things are in no way pre-determined based on score...how many hits....who is on...what color uniform the team is wearing.....sunny day.....cold with long sleeves etc, etc....

M.K.
Knight165

I honestly think the whole probability discussion in this thread is what makes is pre-determined. In other words, the probability of the Yankees winning 6 consecutive games in real life is low and the game is coded in such a way that in order to achieve realistic results, certain rolls of the dice must happen. Same thing with individual stats, i.e. Jeter hitting .205 isn't very probable so the game will make it near impossible to pull off in order to achieve realistic results. This in and of itself is the definition of pre-determined in that the game knows certain things won't happen in real life so it simply won't allow them to happen in the game.

[geisterhome]

Re: Destined to lose?

Not gonna touch that other than this is why I think this thread should've been closed days ago.

lol @ bolded part

maybe you are part of the problem my friend?

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Destined to lose?

I honestly think the whole probability discussion in this thread is what makes is pre-determined. In other words, the probability of the Yankees winning 6 consecutive games in real life is low and the game is coded in such a way that in order to achieve realistic results, certain rolls of the dice must happen. Same thing with individual stats, i.e. Jeter hitting .205 isn't very probable so the game will make it near impossible to pull off in order to achieve realistic results. This in and of itself is the definition of pre-determined in that the game knows certain things won't happen in real life so it simply won't allow them to happen in the game.

See this quote and the one below are two of the most important responses in this thread for me as the are saying the same exact thing in a different words but the same exact meaning which cannot be disputed by anyone case closed .

That's why I personally am NOT denying that, at times, there's some "scripted" feeling on how things happen. I want that feeling to go away.

Nomo you know how much I respect your thoughts on the game as your very fair , logical and well written but you changing your mind with some weak change of heart is confusing , just not like you ? As you think things out so well and if I recall correctly we even discussed this out of thread months ago and we agreed pretty much to what you said above which is kind of ludicrous at this moment

Just very disappointed as you were the one thing that almost brought this thread together and then out of the blue you change your mind to a degree ?

" Say it aint so Nomo say it aint So "

[G3no_11]

Re: Destined to lose?

Just very disappointed as you were the one thing that almost brought this thread together and then out of the blue you change your mind ?

" Say it aint so Nomo say it aint So "

Nomo never changed his mind. He simply said there was a scripted "feeling" not a scripted outcome which many people in this thread believe there is.

As someone else said.. you have to realize that having this "feeling" is totally different from something actually being there.

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Destined to lose?

Nomo never changed his mind. He simply said there was a scripted "feeling" not a scripted outcome which many people in this thread believe there is.

As someone else said.. you have to realize that having this "feeling" is totally different from something actually being there.

Please slow down and read his words below THAT I and most 100% AGREE WITH " Yes a scripted feeling not a outcome though there is a momentum skewing we all agreed on to some degree but we dont know how much only SCEA does and with all the variables who knows and at any given point in the game ? . Thanks

Oh and we also want it to go away like Mr.Nomo does .

That's why I personally am NOT denying that, at times, there's some "scripted" feeling on how things happen. I want that feeling to go away.

[G3no_11]

Re: Destined to lose?

Please slow down and read his words below THAT I and most 100% AGREE WITH . Thanks

Yep. Got it for 10th time. and the key word there is "feeling."

[THESHAMISASHAME]

Re: Destined to lose?

Yep. Got it for 10th time. and the key word there is "feeling."

Hi , No wrong again see you must not even care about the issue and thats part of the problem you guys just chime in with the same standard theres no scripting or comeback code , nothing to see here move along , So PLEASE read nomos words for the 11th time in the bold red . Thanks

That's why I personally am NOT denying that, at times, there's some "scripted" feeling on how things happen. I want that feeling to go away.

[wudl83]

Re: Destined to lose?

G3no says that you are only talking about a feeling and not a written fact. Then you come around with Nomo's post, where he talks about that feeling. I don't get it to be honest. What do you want to tell us with that? No offense, but I don't get it.

[AC]

Re: Destined to lose?

maybe you are part of the problem my friend?

Solid trolling

Please slow down and read his words below THAT I and most 100% AGREE WITH " Yes a scripted feeling not a outcome though there is a momentum skewing we all agreed on to some degree but we dont know how much only SCEA does and with all the variables who knows and at any given point in the game ? . Thanks

Oh and we also want it to go away like Mr.Nomo does .

Dude, read what you bolded 30929502509 times. It's a FEELING.


I have a feeling a train is about to run me over. That's cool, but is it actually going to happen? I would hope not. FEELING something and something ACTUALLY HAPPENING are two very different things.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Destined to lose?

The only way that's going away is on your end.....when you finally understand that things are in no way pre-determined based on score...how many hits....who is on...what color uniform the team is wearing.....sunny day.....cold with long sleeves etc, etc....

M.K.
Knight165

Have I said things are pre-determined? You must have a reason for saying that, so my question is, why?

Now are you trying to imply that my English is not good enough for you? That is just very pathetic of you to act like that at the age of 70. Please grow up, if you still have time to do so.

You previously said something about English not being your primary language, and I believe you later changed your opinion about "scripted", so I naturally asked you to clarify. Put another way, since English is not your primary language and you later said the opposite about scripted feeling, I thought of letting you explain what you meant when you said the opposite. And you tell me to grow up...???

[kehlis]

Re: Destined to lose?

lol man, i dont try to prove anything here. if you would pay a bit more attention youd have realised that i said it before, im really not that much into it to provide any statistical evidence, just here to chat a bit abt what im experiencing nothing more than that. the rest i leave for people like probably you who take things like my post too serious and have too much time and too little life on their hands...

And we're done here.

Thanks to those who attempted to discuss this maturely. It was only a matter of time until some people had to ruin it, this post above being one of them.