Destined to lose?

[SmooveMove]

Re: Destined to lose?

The irony in this post is that Jason Bay was an All-Star in real life, before declining to "Jason Bay status".

It's baseball.

I understand, but there was a situation where I had started a franchise and simulated the first month and nearly every hitter was on a hot streak. I tried to trade for a pitcher and realized that I had forgot to turn instant trade on so I had to start over. In the new franchise nobody can hit NOTHING so it's like being punished for randomness.

[cactusruss]

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Yeah I think that's the consensus in this thread. No one is saying they are being forced to lose.

I'm just saying I always have the option to win. Maybe I just have more optimism than most, lol. But I've had some insane comebacks... Once you've done it once, every game seems possible.

You just need to maintain focus, take pitches, etc...

I would've been OK with it if the batter had hit the ball hard in the gap to legitimately score both runs to make me lose, or if the ball had just been a home run for a walk-off CPU victory. Instead I got Jay Bruce jumping 5 feet away from the ball when I didn't tell him to jump on a play that he should've easily made, and has easily many times. How am I supposed to "maintain focus" when the CPU just takes control of my player to make him miss the game ending fly ball?

[Segagendude]

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Just curious if anyone else here has games where they feel like no matter what; they are just destined to lose that particular game? For example: just played Marlins and after a couple of bloopers I gave up in 2nd inning they hit a home run. Bottom of the 2nd I tie it up 3-3. Top of 3rd couple more bloopers and polanco pulls a shot to right field to make it 6-3 off a ball I threw way low out of the zone.

Proceeded to hit every ball at someone throughout the remainder of the game. Hit some balls hard, but everyone was right at someone and even resulted in several double plays. Those are the games where I say to myself 'I'm just not supposed to win this one'. Not blaming the game or anything; it's just baseball. I like that the game so accurately emulates the sport.

Just curious if anyone else encounters the same thing? Or maybe sometimes I just don't concentrate hard enough and it's strictly on me lol.

I used to call it a term which is now banned here, lol.

[MIKEY93]

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My answer is: That's baseball. I see real-life games where that happens all the time. I think it happens almost every day. That's the beauty of it! My anger problems seem to have died a bit lately, so I enjoy MLB 12 even more. I know as a Met fan, when something goes wrong in the late innings of a real-life game, I feel like something bad's going to happen. My stepbro watched Mets games way longer than I have, & to this day, turns into a pessimist everytime something isn't right. But I'm more of an optimist. It's all about the mentality of a person. I mean if the opposing team scores the go-ahead run in the 8th inning, some people may say in their head "I lost the game." Even though we still have a chance for a comeback, our mentality can make us believe that the game is over from that point on (Ex. Opposing team uses their best relievers/closer). That's why every pitch counts because no one wants to make a mistake that ends up biting us in the *** in later innings.

Yeah I think that's the consensus in this thread. No one is saying they are being forced to lose.

I'm just saying I always have the option to win. Maybe I just have more optimism than most, lol. But I've had some insane comebacks... Once you've done it once, every game seems possible.

You just need to maintain focus, take pitches, etc...

Losing is not an option. I heard that said a lot in inspirational movies or something. Anyway, I agree with you. Everyone should get into a game starting 0-0 & having the mentality to win. I'm not saying people don't have that, but our mentality is based on what happened in the previous game. If I lose 12-0 in the last game, then I would think about the mistakes & try to fix 'em for the next game. Whereas if I kept blowing leads in late innings in consecutive games, I may expect a negative outcome.

It's great to be optimistic, but based on results that happen, we expect to see something to not go our way. & the fact that we control the game is a great point too. I played a game in MLB 12 where I scored 7 runs in the 9th AFTER COL scored 6 in the 8th. So I know at anytime, offense & defense can explode/deplode (Is that a word?) at any time.

[THESHAMISASHAME]

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I would've been OK with it if the batter had hit the ball hard in the gap to legitimately score both runs to make me lose, or if the ball had just been a home run for a walk-off CPU victory. Instead I got Jay Bruce jumping 5 feet away from the ball when I didn't tell him to jump on a play that he should've easily made, and has easily many times. How am I supposed to "maintain focus" when the CPU just takes control of my player to make him miss the game ending fly ball?

I couldnt have said it better as the stats and scores are normally very realistic BUT its the HOW it happens at times where you have no input or zero control which is a complete fail for me at key moments whether it favors me or the cpu .
I think tightening the gap between using more real attributes and less forced randomness would fix alot of those like im not even playing instances or lack of hu control.

PS : Theres only one thing worse than destined to lose and thats destined to win as it does go both ways just to be fair on this subject .

[RangersCruz]

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It's those fielding animations that come at the worst times

[Baseball Purist]

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Anyone who plays this game on a difficulty higher than All-Star knows the validity of the original post, especially if you play a season or franchise without simulating games, which when simulating imo negates some of the wonky things that go into those loosing or winning streaks.

To simulate the ups and downs of a real life slump in a major league season, the show often implements little things to continue a streak whether it's loosing or winning. The problem for me is what the original poster suggests, and it's the ridiculous amount of errors on routine plays, lack of calls, and down right stupidity on plays that factor into loosing and winning.This is not just a user problem, but a problem for the computer as well. If a pitcher takes me opposite field, with two outs to score two runs, one more time with the pci no where near the ball...

While the unpredictability is what I love about the show, I would like to see in future games an A.I that is better, but not one based on taken advantage of some pretty weak programming that results in routine head scratching plays that rarely happen in the majors.

[BoomerHB52]

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Anything can happen in baseball. The other day I was playing against the A's and by the 8th inning I was getting crushed 7-1. I said to myself, well tough game. I'll just swing at the first pitch to get this game done and move on with the next one. And suddenly, swinging at the first pitch, I started to hit and hit and in a blink of an eye I tied the game. I got pumped up and that thought of losing was gone. I continued the back and forth against the A's but no one gave more than a hit per inning. I ended up losing 8-7 in 20 innings (by far my most played game ever) but I can tell you that from the 15th inning I started to get tired and frustrated so I was strucking out and hitting nothing. I guess that cost me the game.

I did felt like I was going to lose, then I made a comeback but then I kinda lost my enthusiasm and thats when the A's knocked me over.

[jwmcards]

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I've felt this way before, but then something will happen to surprise me. The other night in my Cards franchise, I'm up 3-0 in the 8th. 1 out, then an error on Holiday with a nice "Ole" play. Very next pitch, wild pitch. Then a double. So I'm thinking here we go.

Anyway, the Mets get up 4-3. Bottom of the 9th 2 outs, Jay walks, steals 2B, Holiday hits a double to tie, then Freese knocks in the winning run for a 5-4 victory. I was so happy I won that my wife made fun of me.

So while I do occasionally feel like I got shafted, I think this year they got it closer to right than any time before.

[Perfect Zero]

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Yep, file it under "That's the way Baseball go" category. One of my final games on last year's version was my Royals against the visiting Rays in a random exhibition. No matter what I did or where I put the ball it always found a glove. The CPU ended up getting the perfect game. Some nights are just not your night.

[Gagnon39]

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Well, I do play as the Cubs so, yes.

[Jordyn]

I've felt this way before, but then something will happen to surprise me. The other night in my Cards franchise, I'm up 3-0 in the 8th. 1 out, then an error on Holiday with a nice "Ole" play. Very next pitch, wild pitch. Then a double. So I'm thinking here we go.

Anyway, the Mets get up 4-3. Bottom of the 9th 2 outs, Jay walks, steals 2B, Holiday hits a double to tie, then Freese knocks in the winning run for a 5-4 victory. I was so happy I won that my wife made fun of me.

So while I do occasionally feel like I got shafted, I think this year they got it closer to right than any time before.

I think that's the point the OP is trying to make. It still happened to you, it's just that because you ended up winning, you pass it off as being real baseball. I think the user before you got it right when saying that the show makes certain things happen (errors, balls going under gloves, tightened strike zones) in order to mask shoddy programming. Baseball is a very difficult game to get right with all its nuances, and unfortunately this game, while close, doesn't get it right either. Some people attribute it to 'just being baseball,' but the reality is that some of these weird happenings happen too frequently and just at the right time to allow the user or CPU to make the game competitive.

[TheKT]

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I had one this morning. Playing my Pirates chise, and I had a game against the Reds at PNC.

Wandy was on the bump and was 6-0. He gave up a solo shot to Cozart in the first and a 2 out RBI to Choo after walking the Pitcher in the 4th. Other than that he only gave up 1 other hit and walked 3 total and actually pitched a complete game loss.

My offence scattered a few hits and Walker hit a solo shot in the 6th, but for the most part everything I made contact with seemed like it was right to a defender. So bottom of the 9th McCutchen leads off with a double, then Jones grounds out to 2nd, Cutch advances to 3rd, Snyder fouls out to the Catcher on the 1st pitch! 2 out. I was pissed off so I switched to the reds to try and at least get my guys to at least tie it and send it to extras. Barmes is up and I bean him, 1st and 3rd, 2 outs, and the CPU pinch hits and Alverez comes to the plate. Pedro was on a cold streak and getting the day off, so I thought I'd throw him a meat ball and we would win and hopefully get him out of his slump. 1st pitch fastball down the middle and he watches it go by. 2nd pitch fastball down the middle, fouled away. 3rd pitch fastball down the middle and he rockets it right at Cozart, I didn't even have time to move him away so that he wouldn't make the catch. Game over. Lol

I could only laugh. Call it poetic justice if you will, but I was destined to lose that one. Lol

[HozAndMoose]

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I was just having this thought. Team had lost 10-12. I was in the bottom of the 6th vs Cubs. Scott Baker had a perfect game going. First guy in the inning flew out to right. Then Russell Martin blasted one to left. Perfect game gone. Then BAM, Clint Barmes puts one in the exact same spot. Follow that up with 2 singles and an error. Man on 1st and 3rd next 2 batters walk to bring in another run. Hosmer sac flys to right. 1 more comes in. Then they intentionally walk Alex Presley to bring Martin back up. Big Mistake. 1st pitch gets destroyed and ends up 438 feet away from home plate. Grand Slam. 9-5. Now i need to finish the game and not screw it up.

[nomo17k]

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From technical perspective (i.e., programming), it's actually much more tedious to code in some sort of scripted scenarios.