Full Minors Roster for '09

[The Gird]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Whats up Show Community, I have a question. I went through and edited all of the line-ups in Knights lastest roster file. I started my franchise with the Red Sox and was playing Tampa. Had thier line-up set, Iwamura, Crawford, Upton, Longoria, Pena...etc. However when the game started Upton was in the lead-off hole, Longoria was in the three hole. No matter what, even if I changed it right before the game this occured. I have heard of the "line-up glitch", yet didn't know what it was. I am right to assume that this is what it is. That players are slotted in specific spots of the line-up due to thier ratings, no matter how you have the line-up set. And from my understanding, in Knight's final roster, this glitch will be fixed? Is this information correct or am I way off regarding this? Any info would be helpful. Thanks.


The Gird

[jf28]

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Thanks. That's what I thought.

By the way, I totally agree with how you're deciding on pitching. Last year, you and I discussed Carlos Zambrano, and his pitching repetoire (sp?). For instance, some analysts say he throws a sinker, while others say he throws a sinking 2-seamer. To me it's more of a sinking 2 seamer because of the late break (as opposed to Brandon Webbs real sinker). The game doesn't really have a true sinking 2-seamer, it acts more like a traditional 2 seamer.

It can be a tough call with some of these pitches. Forkballs and Split-fingers are very close in real life and there is just a slight difference in the way they are thrown. With the forkball, you have to have bigger hands because your index finger and middle finger are split out more on the ball than the split-finger. The way you throw them are exactly the same (same as a fastball, some say you throw the splitter harder, but that is not what I was taught in college), but the splitter has a later sharper "dip" than the forkball. Some say it has more rotation as well and that the forkball has less spin, but that once again depends on the pitcher.

At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what you call the pitch as long as it behaves as closely to real life.

Anybody getting an eephus (ephus alt. sp.) off the top of your head? I am pretty sure Levon Hernandez of the Mets (and occasionally Orlando Hernandez) (I know one guy does because I just saw one of them throw it) throws one. Was there room for this pitch? Totally understandable if there isn't since its more of a "catch them off guard, surprise" pitch.

Unfortunately, the closest thing to an eephus in this game is a curveball (well, actually, a 12-6) at the slowest speed (or maybe a changeup, but 12-6 is probably a bit more accurate), there is no eephus.

[callmetaternuts]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Whats up Show Community, I have a question. I went through and edited all of the line-ups in Knights lastest roster file. I started my franchise with the Red Sox and was playing Tampa. Had thier line-up set, Iwamura, Crawford, Upton, Longoria, Pena...etc. However when the game started Upton was in the lead-off hole, Longoria was in the three hole. No matter what, even if I changed it right before the game this occured. I have heard of the "line-up glitch", yet didn't know what it was. I am right to assume that this is what it is. That players are slotted in specific spots of the line-up due to thier ratings, no matter how you have the line-up set. And from my understanding, in Knight's final roster, this glitch will be fixed? Is this information correct or am I way off regarding this? Any info would be helpful. Thanks.


The Gird

The lineups are set by CPU based on ratings. The stock SCEA roster was incorrect. It had guys like Helton batting leadoff. Knight has edited the ratings in such a way that the true lineups will be shown in the game. (i.e. Upton does bat first, Crawford 2nd).

No matter what you do in or out of season will not affect the lineups. Even if you go through and set them all. They go based on ratings.

Hope that helps

[Plez]

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Knight,

Love the rosters, they are great!

I have some info on the Tigers:

They released Yurendell DeCaster in the spring(i think he signed with a team in one of the independent leagues)

Francison Cruceta is playing in Korea for the Samsung Lions.

Plez

[LetsGoBuccos]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Whats up Show Community, I have a question. I went through and edited all of the line-ups in Knights lastest roster file. I started my franchise with the Red Sox and was playing Tampa. Had thier line-up set, Iwamura, Crawford, Upton, Longoria, Pena...etc. However when the game started Upton was in the lead-off hole, Longoria was in the three hole. No matter what, even if I changed it right before the game this occured. I have heard of the "line-up glitch", yet didn't know what it was. I am right to assume that this is what it is. That players are slotted in specific spots of the line-up due to thier ratings, no matter how you have the line-up set. And from my understanding, in Knight's final roster, this glitch will be fixed? Is this information correct or am I way off regarding this? Any info would be helpful. Thanks.


The Gird

Wait, if you are here wanting realistic lineups and what not, then the CPU was helping you out. BJ Upton is batting leadoff and Longo is batting in the 3 hole.

I have no Idea what kind of lineup you were trying to give the Rays...

[DrUrsus]

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The lineups are set by CPU based on ratings. The stock SCEA roster was incorrect. It had guys like Helton batting leadoff. Knight has edited the ratings in such a way that the true lineups will be shown in the game. (i.e. Upton does bat first, Crawford 2nd).

No matter what you do in or out of season will not affect the lineups. Even if you go through and set them all. They go based on ratings.

Hope that helps

To clarify even more, the CPU roster control ON does not work when it comes to lineups (it does allow other movements, trades, etc) either this year. With it off or on, the game decides on lineups based on its own "logic". Knight did some editing to help alleviate some of the lineup problems (all of his rosters so far). They are still off sometimes (especially if you make a bunch of moves during franchise or season (like sending guys down, etc), but at least guys like Helton aren't leading off anymore, Ortiz stays at DH, etc.

All you can really do is change your lineup and the team you are playing against by using a second controller when you go to play the game. That is what I am doing with the teams I am playing against.
I think they will fix the CPU roster control ON function (this is a broken function), but I am not so sure they will "fix" their lineup logic. Many people think the lineup logic isn't too bad, others do.

[Plez]

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and Aquilino Lopez is also pitching in Korea, with the Kia Tigers.

Knight, I saw a couple of pitchers with the Tigers AAA team, Augustus Cavazos and a guy simply named "H C". Who are these guys?

[FriarFan]

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Hey Knight...

Just wondering...what about all the HOFers in the FA list? Aren't they going to disappear when we load our franchise with your rosters, leaving lots of fake FAs?

Or, does your roster handle this? Let me know if you need clarification...thanks again for the efforts. Really looking forward to starting my Pads!

[yankecrazy]

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So, joined these boards about a year ago, well, over a year ago now... and I have to say, thank you Knight and everyone else who contributes for putting out such an amazing roster set.

I've now tried out both versions, Earlyv1 and Earlyv2, and they are both great. Obviously there are the few slight omissions, which people have addressed both here and via PM, and I'm glad to see they are being listened to - I can't imagine how much more work this adds to the process!

Just as a quick thought to everyone here... I know that the entire process of Potential Ratings is entirely subjective... and many of us, myself included, become blinded by team-loyalism and truly believe that our prospects are all going to pan out, especially because we know more about them than we know tend to know about prospects from other teams. I know that when I looked through the Yankees roster, my first thoughts were "wow... I would have liked to see Angelini as a B, Montero as an A and perhaps even Jackson as one too... hmm... and what about Betances and Brackman... don't they deserve A's?"...

But then I took the time to look through the rest of the league, and realized that almost every single player, in comparison to all the others in the league, have the exact potential they deserve.

Looking over the roster as a whole really provides an amazing picture... I can't imagine the time and dedication this all must take.

So... I just wanted to say that, not entirely sure why... but I figured it was worth saying.

Again, thank you everyone who has contributed to this project, it certainly makes the game significantly more enjoyable for me... in fact, it's really what MAKES the game for me.

[footballislife]

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Hey Knight...

Just wondering...what about all the HOFers in the FA list? Aren't they going to disappear when we load our franchise with your rosters, leaving lots of fake FAs?

Or, does your roster handle this? Let me know if you need clarification...thanks again for the efforts. Really looking forward to starting my Pads!

I believe his is going to address this by giving us a list of guys that we can add if we like from the "extra" players that show up

[The Gird]

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Yo my bad. When I did the box scores, last week thier line-up was like that, all things were projected to slot Boss Man Junior in the 3 hole, however......you guys are right. They just posted thier line-up with BJ in it, and hes batting leadoff. I stand corrected.


BUT, the line-up glitch will be fixed by Knights final roster right, from what I've heard. ?

[DrUrsus]

Re: Full Minors Roster for '09

Wait, if you are here wanting realistic lineups and what not, then the CPU was helping you out. BJ Upton is batting leadoff and Longo is batting in the 3 hole.

I have no Idea what kind of lineup you were trying to give the Rays...

Upton hasn't played in real life yet. But, yes, he will most likely lead off tonight. He is set to come back tonight and play CF.

Knight, I think someone mentioned this already, but Zobrist (TB Rays 3B in game) has been getting playing time in the OF (RF, CF so far). Right now, if you put him in the OF the CPU takes him out immediately, lol, probably because OF is not listed as his second position.

[DrUrsus]

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Yo my bad. When I did the box scores, last week thier line-up was like that, all things were projected to slot Boss Man Junior in the 3 hole, however......you guys are right. They just posted thier line-up with BJ in it, and hes batting leadoff. I stand corrected.


BUT, the line-up glitch will be fixed by Knights final roster right, from what I've heard. ?

NO. Knight has helped alleviate the lineup glitch already, but with CPU roster control off, the CPU still does its thing. Whether one likes the logic is their opinion. But, at least Helton isn't leading off, and stuff like that with all of Knights rosters.

SCEA would have to patch their lineup logic, but I doubt they will. Maybe they don't think it is broke. Some do.
Like I said in my previous post they will most likely fix CPU roster control ON (which means you make all of the CPU moves, lineups and roster control). But, I don't know if they will or can even fix that for sure since there has been no official word.

[RAZRr1275]

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Upton hasn't played in real life yet. But, yes, he will most likely lead off tonight. He is set to come back tonight and play CF.

Knight, I think someone mentioned this already, but Zobrist (TB Rays 3B in game) has been getting playing time in the OF (RF, CF so far). Right now, if you put him in the OF the CPU takes him out immediately, lol, probably because OF is not listed as his second position.

Zobrist will stay in OF now.

[teebee]

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changing ratings to fix a game glitch is just a bad idea i say. I've never really seen it work and changing ratings always makes people nervous