Knight - classic teams

[Knight165]

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I would think Knight would probably agree, that raising Griffey's power stats would be a more realistic representation of him, although i don't want put words in the man's mouth. He did have 17 homers in 260 ab's that year. So he still had power, when he played. Anyways, any suggestions on what to raise Griffey's power stats to ?

And does anyone think Darryl's power could use a boost also, for the 86 Mets squad ?

I do.
I have a few guys on my "punch list".
I think we spoke of Griff already. I will be raising his power...lowering his durability(to try and limit how many games he plays).
If there is anyone you guys think need adjustment...now is the time.
I'm going to try and get the Pods done tonight...but I had a little "setback". I've gone YEARS without going on any real medical leave. I got hurt YET AGAIN at work and I'm back on that same nauseating medication from last time.
I feel like hurlin' just posting this ......
I'm gonna try though.

I think I hit Canseco('89 A's) already with the power....I have a couple of changes on my list.
Please post them if you have ideas on anything.

Thanks guys..

M.K.
Knight165

[capa]

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Knight,

Feel better...rest.

C

[Joey]

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The time's messed up on mine so according to mine it was today that he posted it. For example, your post shows that it was made at 12:21 A.M. tomorrow. I guess there's a place to fix it in my profile? I'll have to check.

Knight, get some rest. We can wait!

Yeah, but he said that yesterday thats why I was wondering.

[Whitesox]

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The time's messed up on mine so according to mine it was today that he posted it. For example, your post shows that it was made at 12:21 A.M. tomorrow. I guess there's a place to fix it in my profile? I'll have to check.

Knight, get some rest. We can wait!

Yes, you need to change your default time zone settings.

Knight, get well soon

[mrjordan]

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you are a warrior Knight! A TRUE WARRIOR!!!
feel better soon.

[Knight165]

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Haha....

Thanks guys.
Just a string of not so lucky times at work I guess.
Not bad though.(not as bad as last time.)

I got the pitching staff for the '84 Pods completed.
I'm going to go as long as I can...and if I can't finish tonight...it wll definitely be tomorrow...relatively early too.

M.K.
Knight165

[Shinyhubcaps]

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I have a couple of changes on my list.
Please post them if you have ideas on anything.

Thanks guys..

M.K.
Knight165

I haven't had a chance to play with your rosters too much, but I did do a simulated season with the 1982 Brewers. Granted a lot of stats may be diluted because of the competition, but I figure for the game's sake, it will balance out.

So here are the only things I found to be recurring themes that might need some change:

-Gorman Thomas needs a slight power boost. In the game, he had 29 HR and 89 RBI, whereas he had 39/112 in actuality. Hopefully a power boost does not induce more simulated triples, as he maybe had a couple too many (5 compared to 1).

-Robin Yount may need a touch of power. In the game, he had 21 HR and 79 RBI. In actuality, he had 29/114. It's a bit of a disparity in RBI, but you did a great job with hits (8.5% error) and doubles (6.5% error!!).

-Paul Molitor needs a little speed and baserunning aggressiveness. He had 24 SB, 5 CS, and 1 3B in game, whereas he had 41/9/8 in real life.

-Thomas needs to draw more walks. Team totals are incredibly close (493 to 484 in real life, only 1.9% error!!!), but Thomas's team-leading 84 BB equated to only 30 in game. Moore (47 to real-life 29) and Gantner (59 to real-life 26) seem to have the greatest error in the opposite direction, so their plate discipline can be taken down to counteract Thomas.

-Strikeouts are odd. Cooper's virtual-to-real life ratio was 162:53, and Gantner's was 151:36. The team's total was 1,231:714. If anything can be done to limit strikeouts (granted they played mostly classic teams in their division), that would be great.

-Pitching is mostly good, but here are CGs:
**In the game, there were 3 CGs, all shutouts (Caldwell, Vuckovich, and Medich.)
**In real-life, there were 34 CGs, 6 shutouts (Caldwell had 12/3, Vuckovich 9/1).

-Rollie Fingers had 51 saves of the team's 55. In real-life, he had 29 of their 47. Of course, he often had 2-inning and even 3-inning saves, so he probably pitched fewer games (in fact, 13 fewer) and would enter fewer games if I were user-controlling the bullpen. I don't think stat adjustment is necessary the way the game inflates save stats, but I found it amusing.

Anyway, those are the biggest discrepancies. Thank you for taking the time to make these rosters, and if the stats replicate real-life any more, I'm sure you'll have this down to a very exact science. Kudos.

(By the way, thank your family for their understanding in the time investment it takes to make these rosters!)

[Dabeeds]

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All you did was one season ? I would say simulate a bunch of seasons with 82 Milw, and look at their numbers. Get a bigger sample.

I wouldn't think simulating seasons is the best way to determine player's attributes, cause their #"s are gonna be diffrent all the time.
The only reason i brought up Griffey before, is cause i thought it was a significant diffrence. Let's not nitpick Knight's work. A classic set like this can probably be tweeked and argued over till the cows come home. He did an AMAZING job, and i know he's got some other things on his plate. ( 50-70's set )

[Bahnzo]

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Haha....

Thanks guys.
Just a string of not so lucky times at work I guess.
Not bad though.(not as bad as last time.)

I got the pitching staff for the '84 Pods completed.
I'm going to go as long as I can...and if I can't finish tonight...it wll definitely be tomorrow...relatively early too.

M.K.
Knight165

Take your time man. We've been waiting weeks/months for the complete set. I don't mind a few more days...especially if you intend to go back and clean up any discrepancies.

[Hammerhunker]

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All you did was one season ? I would say simulate a bunch of seasons with 82 Milw, and look at their numbers. Get a bigger sample.

I wouldn't think simulating seasons is the best way to determine player's attributes, cause their #"s are gonna be diffrent all the time.
The only reason i brought up Griffey before, is cause i thought it was a significant diffrence. Let's not nitpick Knight's work. A classic set like this can probably be tweeked and argued over till the cows come home. He did an AMAZING job, and i know he's got some other things on his plate. ( 50-70's set )

I was thinking the exact same thing while reading the quoted post of Hubcap's; they were in the ballpark though. Once "the human" begins controlling the players I would think all comparision stats go out the window. By playing the games instead of simming them I would think it would be impossible to come close to the reallife stats. I am probably stating the quite obvious, and by no means trivializing Hubcap's statements.

[capa]

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One thing that also gets overlooked is that all the teams in this classic league set are top notch. IRL, there are more than a few doormats in the league, but in these types of classic roster sets, teams are going against other first place (or close to it) teams each and every game. That should account for some drop in stats...having to hit against great pitching staffs each and every game (for the most part).

C

[Joey]

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We mentioned that Knight seems to have a special gift for creating the likenesses of first basemen. Below are pics of the Big Cat and Gracie for reference, they both look great!

Also, played a game as the D'backs vs the Marlins last night. I've mostly played all my exhibition games using either the #1 or #2 starters, as I did this game, and you could tell the aces were on the mound. I lost 1-0 as there were only 10 hits total in the game. Boxscore below as well. Last pic is what I thought was a neat shot of Randy Johnson's punch outs.

[Knight165]

Re: Knight - classic teams

We mentioned that Knight seems to have a special gift for creating the likenesses of first basemen. Below are pics of the Big Cat and Gracie for reference, they both look great!

Also, played a game as the D'backs vs the Marlins last night. I've mostly played all my exhibition games using either the #1 or #2 starters, as I did this game, and you could tell the aces were on the mound. I lost 1-0 as there were only 10 hits total in the game. Boxscore below as well. Last pic is what I thought was a neat shot of Randy Johnson's punch outs.

It's the first baseman!.....I don't know what it is
Those are great shots Joey.....Thanks!

Just so you know....I don't take any offense or think of Shiny's post as nitpicking. I actually appreciate the fact that a. He took the time to check things out with my set...it's great to have another set of eyes and a brain looking at and for things that I certainly could miss....and b. That his post is very constructive.
No problems there!

Like capa(and I) have said....without running a strictly singular season...it's very difficult to get everyone's stats "in line". I definitely try and the examples you guys have given.....were right on....they did indeed need adjustment IMO.

I just appreciate that you guys are hanging with me on this as it is much easier to do when you know guys are interested and having fun.

Thanks.

I'll definitely have it ready for you guys early tonight.....I will then make any final adjustments you guys suggest...and it will be ready for you and the Vault.

Then on to the '50-'70's set!

M.K.
Knight165

[Whitesox]

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I've been having much fun with these since I found them. I can't wait until the final release so I can start my season!

[JLiven61]

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Thanks again Knight to what is a premier enhancement to MLB 09! Really enjoying these teams. When you finish tonight, will that include the balancing you were talking about too, or simply you will have all the teams complete?

Thanks!

J