Knight - classic teams

[Dabeeds]

Re: Knight - classic teams

I apologize to Shiny, for my remarks saying that he was nitpicking. If Knight doesn't have a problem with your post, i shouldn't either.

A few minor things i noticed besides Griffey and Darryl's lack of power was - Yastrzemski's clutch was only in the 50's and F.Lynn's was 95. Seemed a little odd, but that was a little before my time. I was only 1 in 75. lol.

Devon White's feilding i thought was underrated a bit, on both the 92 Tor and 97 Fla teams. I thought he was one of the top cf's in my generation. Anyone remember the hr's he used to rob ? How high he would get up over the wall ?

I thought " the hawk " Andre Dawson used to have a gun in the outfeild ? His throwing power looks a bit low.

And the 86 mets dont have a registered closer on the file, only relief pitchers. Wasn't the closer J. Orosco ?

My friends and i have been doing classic matchups EVERY NIGHT since i uploaded your file. Everyone loves em' , wants to thank you, and hopes you feel better.

[Joey]

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You got me wondering so I checked Yaz and Freddy's splits for '75 & looked at clutch stats. Freddy batted .279 w/ 5 HR w/ 2 outs & RISP. Not too shabby. In comparison, Yaz hit .114 with 4 hits in 49 PA. BUT in Late & Close AB Yaz was .351, tie games he batted .311 w/ 9 HR's, & within 1 R he batted .304 w/ 11 dingers. Those are pretty nice numbers there. Here's Lynn's #'s, Late & Close .219, Tie Game .279, within 1R .313 w/ 6 HR.

Interesting stuff, but I'm not implying by any means whatsoever that Knight should be so thorough. I'm a stat junkie so I just enjoy looking at stuff like this.

Andre definitely had a gun on him like you said. I meant to check that before but kept forgetting.

Orosco and McDowell kind of shared CL duties for the '86 Mets. I believe it ended up 21 and 22 for their save totals, but Roger seemed to be used in more situations that were more than an inning.

I apologize to Shiny, for my remarks saying that he was nitpicking. If Knight doesn't have a problem with your post, i shouldn't either.

A few minor things i noticed besides Griffey and Darryl's lack of power was - Yastrzemski's clutch was only in the 50's and F.Lynn's was 95. Seemed a little odd, but that was a little before my time. I was only 1 in 75. lol.

Devon White's feilding i thought was underrated a bit, on both the 92 Tor and 97 Fla teams. I thought he was one of the top cf's in my generation. Anyone remember the hr's he used to rob ? How high he would get up over the wall ?

I thought " the hawk " Andre Dawson used to have a gun in the outfeild ? His throwing power looks a bit low.

And the 86 mets dont have a registered closer on the file, only relief pitchers. Wasn't the closer J. Orosco ?

My friends and i have been doing classic matchups EVERY NIGHT since i uploaded your file. Everyone loves em' , wants to thank you, and hopes you feel better.

[Dabeeds]

Re: Knight - classic teams

Nice reply Joey . Btw, what site did you use to chk out those stats ?

[Joey]

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https://www.baseballreference.com

If you want to look at multiple guys on one team, the easiest thing to do is pull up the team and year. That way you've got the whole team to look at. Then pick a player to go to his page, then under batting stats pick Batting Splits and select the year you want to look at. It's got all kinds of stats on it, but what I looked at was the category titled Clutch Stats.

Nice reply Joey . Btw, what site did you use to chk out those stats ?

[bukktown]

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Hey guys, chiming in here for the first time to say hello and thanks to M Knight for the amazing work you do! And the Mark Grace screenshot from the previous page looks awesome. I can't wait to play with the 91 Twins tonight!

[rynecandy]

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Question:

How come Cubs' 2nd baseman Ryne Sandberg can't be changed to #23 (the roster has him as #25)? I looked and couldn't find a duplicate number in the roster that would prevent him from having the number.

[st0rmb11]

Re: Knight - classic teams

Question:

How come Cubs' 2nd baseman Ryne Sandberg can't be changed to #23 (the roster has him as #25)? I looked and couldn't find a duplicate number in the roster that would prevent him from having the number.

The number 23 has been retired by the Cubs, and MLB 09 The Show blocks all retired numbers from being used for teams. Same reason you can't make Mays 24, or Clemente 21, or Hank Aaron 44, or ANYONE 42.

[rynecandy]

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The number 23 has been retired by the Cubs, and MLB 09 The Show blocks all retired numbers from being used for teams. Same reason you can't make Mays 24, or Clemente 21, or Hank Aaron 44, or ANYONE 42.

oh ok...same as 2k basketball.

thanx for quick reply.

[Knight165]

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You got me wondering so I checked Yaz and Freddy's splits for '75 & looked at clutch stats. Freddy batted .279 w/ 5 HR w/ 2 outs & RISP. Not too shabby. In comparison, Yaz hit .114 with 4 hits in 49 PA. BUT in Late & Close AB Yaz was .351, tie games he batted .311 w/ 9 HR's, & within 1 R he batted .304 w/ 11 dingers. Those are pretty nice numbers there. Here's Lynn's #'s, Late & Close .219, Tie Game .279, within 1R .313 w/ 6 HR.

Interesting stuff, but I'm not implying by any means whatsoever that Knight should be so thorough. I'm a stat junkie so I just enjoy looking at stuff like this.

Andre definitely had a gun on him like you said. I meant to check that before but kept forgetting.

Orosco and McDowell kind of shared CL duties for the '86 Mets. I believe it ended up 21 and 22 for their save totals, but Roger seemed to be used in more situations that were more than an inning.

Good stuff guys....and I would indeed use it in the manner you described....except that much like "regular" attributes....it's tough to play it off other clutch ratings(both other players and pitchers)....of different seasons. I thought about how I might do it....and instead used the clutch rating as an avg/power modifier to attempt to get the players regular season stats better stabilized vs. much tougher competition(all the teams are basically "great teams".
It's not the perfect solution....but I did weigh the two different scenarios before implementing like I did.
I hope I'm making sense

I'm done with the Pods....just some testing....and I'll get it out to you guys after dinner!

M.K.
Knight165

[Whitesox]

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I am extremely excited.

[Knight165]

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This file has all 30 teams "done".

I'm going through them tonight....do some fixing.....check the stats a little.....adjust...numbers..etc.

Here is the link..............http://www.sendspace.com/file/b8nwz2

Be back in a bit

M.K.
Knight165

[Whitesox]

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Woohoo! I waited on real time for this!

[Dabeeds]

Re: Knight - classic teams

Just trying to get somthing straight.
So there's 2 ways of creating a classic roster set, such as this one, with teams from diffrent years.

One way - to try to get the stats to come out similar to how they really were, at the end of the year, by playing or simulating

2nd way- to just rate every player's attributes in relation to one another, using baseball's historical stats, not caring how the stats are gonna end up at the end of the season in the game.
Because, as stated before, all the teams in this " classic league " are really good or great teams, with better pitching, and no teams to kick around, thus causing LOWER offensive numbers. I perfer method 2 myself.

I could imagine the research you had to do on all the pitchers and everyone's defensive stats though. The faces, and getting the players to look right. Unreal !
I've done a bit of roster work myself, updating we9, an old but good soccer game. And i was wondering what is the hardest and most time consuming part doing these rosters ?

[Joey]

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Thanks, Knight! Just d'ld & will get busy playing in a bit.

[Knight165]

Re: Knight - classic teams

Just trying to get somthing straight.
So there's 2 ways of creating a classic roster set, such as this one, with teams from diffrent years.

One way - to try to get the stats to come out similar to how they really were, at the end of the year, by playing or simulating

2nd way- to just rate every player's attributes in relation to one another, using baseball's historical stats, not caring how the stats are gonna end up at the end of the season in the game.
Because, as stated before, all the teams in this " classic league " are really good or great teams, with better pitching, and no teams to kick around, thus causing LOWER offensive numbers. I perfer method 2 myself.

I could imagine the research you had to do on all the pitchers and everyone's defensive stats though. The faces, and getting the players to look right. Unreal !
I've done a bit of roster work myself, updating we9, an old but good soccer game. And i was wondering what is the hardest and most time consuming part doing these rosters ?

I kind of go in between when doing great teams or classic team rosters like this. I do try and get the ratings to give realistic stats for the particular season...but not so that another team suffers.

The pitchers....are pretty much all in the book that I have mentioned....The Nyer/James Guide to Pitchers. Great book for classic rosters like this.
www.baseballreference.com is my go to site.....like Joey stated...it has everything at the click of a mouse. My old method was to pour through The Baseball Encyclopedia and Total Baseball....which is good...but not nearly as in depth or easy to navigate as the sites are.
I guess the faces are the most difficult.....and you never feel like you get them right...even when they do look pretty good.

Hope you guys will enjoy these as much as I do.

M.K.
Knight165