Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[ChiCubs31]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

So will Baez, Soler, and Almora get a top 50 prospect icon in the game?

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

So will Baez, Soler, and Almora get a top 50 prospect icon in the game?

As far as I know no one knows for sure. If they base the top 50 off the top 50 highest potentials Baez will for sure and so might Soler. Almora more than likely will not seeing how he isn't rated as high on potential. But I think it might go off of ovr? So im not completely sure.

[MrOldboy]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

As far as I know no one knows for sure. If they base the top 50 off the top 50 highest potentials Baez will for sure and so might Soler. Almora more than likely will not seeing how he isn't rated as high on potential. But I think it might go off of ovr? So im not completely sure.

You can download my roster and check how they are rated compared to the generated players. I don't remember seeing them as top 50 though, but I can't check right now. Soler and Baez have almost the same potential, if not the same. I followed what the OSFM guys said for the A to B+ guys and they had Soler and Baez as mid A.

[CubFan23]

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MrOldBoy, I just wanted to say thanks for working on the OS rosters!

[Denzel Washington]

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The Cubs already have a weak offense, why would you want to trade a guy who hit over 30 HR and drove in over 100 RBI last year?

You really think they're going to be able to stick somebody out in LF that is going to get anywhere near those numbers right now? Heck no.

I doubt People went to Cubs games for soriano
when I go. which is quite often Its mostly people drinking having a good time. Losing soriano won't hinder tickets as much as he would've a couple of seasons ago
Now we have Castro and Rizzo and Jeff looks like he can have a breakout season
We're rebuilding we don't have the luxury to be keeping old players
We still finished with the second worst Record
Fans will continue to fill the stands because well who else are you going to watch? The White sox? Ewww

[Denzel Washington]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

The Cubs already have a weak offense, why would you want to trade a guy who hit over 30 HR and drove in over 100 RBI last year?

You really think they're going to be able to stick somebody out in LF that is going to get anywhere near those numbers right now? Heck no.

How much worse can you get than 101 losses

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I doubt People went to Cubs games for soriano
when I go. which is quite often Its mostly people drinking having a good time. Losing soriano won't hinder tickets as much as he would've a couple of seasons ago
Now we have Castro and Rizzo and Jeff looks like he can have a breakout season
We're rebuilding we don't have the luxury to be keeping old players
We still finished with the second worst Record
Fans will continue to fill the stands because well who else are you going to watch? The White sox? Ewww

Come on, unnecessary shot. Last thing we need is a flame war in this thread. And believe me, their fan base probably has more ammo. *Ahem*Committed*Ahem*WS*Ahem. We probably don't want to be trading blows.

Anyways...Soriano - It's about getting a worthwhile return, I believe they'll (Theo/Jed) deal Soriano under the right pretences. They aren't going to eat 60% of his salary and send him to a contender for a bag of peanuts with a Chicago shipping address.

He's here. He's a good clubhouse guy, he's still productive & he has a NTC. If he gets traded then fine, hopefully it was worth it for the Cubs, if not just enjoy watching him play. It's not his fault the previous front office "backed up the truck" for his services.

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

You can download my roster and check how they are rated compared to the generated players. I don't remember seeing them as top 50 though, but I can't check right now. Soler and Baez have almost the same potential, if not the same. I followed what the OSFM guys said for the A to B+ guys and they had Soler and Baez as mid A.

Yeah I checked out the roster and I don't remember seeing that they were either. But that was with the generated players. Im not sure how the top 50 will be generated when Ridin imports all the minors onto the main file... Hopefully its not the player he imported over cause then that would just be random.

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Anyways...Soriano - It's about getting a worthwhile return, I believe they'll (Theo/Jed) deal Soriano under the right pretences. They aren't going to eat 60% of his salary and send him to a contender for a bag of peanuts with a Chicago shipping address.

Last year was the first time I feel he lived up to his yearly salary except maybe his first year. Granted that might be a stretch to say he earned all that money but he was better than he had been in the previous 4 seasons. His defense was also very improved. Gold Glove material IMO but he didn't get to some balls that Cargo could. But I was impressed.

[Denzel Washington]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Come on, unnecessary shot. Last thing we need is a flame war in this thread. And believe me, their fan base probably has more ammo. *Ahem*Committed*Ahem*WS*Ahem. We probably don't want to be trading blows.

Anyways...Soriano - It's about getting a worthwhile return, I believe they'll (Theo/Jed) deal Soriano under the right pretences. They aren't going to eat 60% of his salary and send him to a contender for a bag of peanuts with a Chicago shipping address.

He's here. He's a good clubhouse guy, he's still productive & he has a NTC. If he gets traded then fine, hopefully it was worth it for the Cubs, if not just enjoy watching him play. It's not his fault the previous front office "backed up the truck" for his services.

Well its true
They have one of the worst Attendance records
Plus ATM they have an awful Farm
I have no shame in admitting we stink right now but what else is there to do when you rebuild.
Soriano's talents seem fitting in the AL as a DH. Cubs need prospects more than they need money. As long as this renovation thing holds up the cubs shouldn't have any problems with money. And epstein doesn't really go after big contracts so it seems fitting they would get rid of the big contracts By any means.
Yankees sure could use some help in OF

[skow05]

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Last year was the first time I feel he lived up to his yearly salary except maybe his first year. Granted that might be a stretch to say he earned all that money but he was better than he had been in the previous 4 seasons. His defense was also very improved. Gold Glove material IMO but he didn't get to some balls that Cargo could. But I was impressed.

No kidding man. It was like watching a completely different player out there. Nothing he can do can "earn" himself the contract he was given, but it doesn't mean he can't be a player that has value to the Cubs organization over the final two seasons of his contract.

Like I said, I am all for trading him. There's just no denying that his NTC and his contract length are two deterring factors that in the end will either cost the Cubs a shot at trading him when the right deal comes along or the Cubs won't be able to receive anyone of significance in return.

I hope it works it ultimately works out and the Cubs find a "dance partner" that Soriano would waive his NTC for, but I'd rather see them hold onto him than run him out of town while getting no actual prospects in return.

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Well its true
They have one of the worst Attendance records
Plus ATM they have an awful Farm
I have no shame in admitting we stink right now but what else is there to do when you rebuild.
Soriano's talents seem fitting in the AL as a DH. Cubs need prospects more than they need money. As long as this renovation thing holds up the cubs shouldn't have any problems with money. And epstein doesn't really go after big contracts so it seems fitting they would get rid of the big contracts By any means.
Yankees sure could use some help in OF

Just stop with that meatball attitude, who cares, worry about your favorite team.

What prospects would they be getting in return for a Soriano deal? No one will give up any for Soriano, even if the Cubs eat 60% of his salary for the remainder of the contract. Nobody wants to take on that contract for a player at this point of Soriano's career.

Yankees acquired Vernon Wells already.

[Denzel Washington]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Just stop with that meatball attitude, who cares, worry about your favorite team.

What prospects would they be getting in return for a Soriano deal? No one will give up any for Soriano, even if the Cubs eat 60% of his salary for the remainder of the contract. Nobody wants to take on that contract for a player at this point of Soriano's career.

Yankees acquired Vernon Wells already.

I'd say a lot of people care considering how popular the crosstown rivalry games are
Arizona gave up prospects for campana. A glorified pinch hitter
No one knows how vernon wells will end up
Its not like the Yankees have any problems overpaying old players

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I'd say a lot of people care considering how popular the crosstown rivalry games are
Arizona gave up prospects for campana. A glorified pinch hitter
No one knows how vernon wells will end up
Its not like the Yankees have any problems overpaying old players

Edit: I don't consider the "cross-town rivalry" a "rivalry" at all...they play 8 games in a 162 game season, just another series imo. Although I'm not that into "bragging rights" and whatnot, so I guess I can get the added value for people who like to talk smack, etc. That aspect just never appealed to me.

Campana has an incredible speed tool that is very valuable to a contending team, i.e. - the Arizona Diamondbacks.

I hope the Cubs can get prospects for him, it's just unlikely and you are treating it like it's a simple solution to their problems. It's not. There are a lot of factors at play and it's doubtful that they all come together for the Cubs to maximize a return on Soriano.

Is saving $20-25 mil over the next two seasons really worth it to the Cubs if they lose Soriano and receive organizational filler in return? I think I'd much rather have him on the big league club in that scenario, his contract won't be impeding the front office from signing key free agents if they so desire, or acquiring talent at the deadline if the team is contending. Because they won't be contending within the window that Soriano is under contract.

I think this conversation is great, but it might be a little out of place here, and we should probably save it for another time. So I'll put something here to bring it back on topic:

Cubs Announce AA & AAA Rosters
http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/0...-and-iowa-aaa/

[Denzel Washington]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Edit: I don't consider the "cross-town rivalry" a "rivalry" at all...they play 8 games in a 162 game season, just another series imo. Although I'm not that into "bragging rights" and whatnot, so I guess I can get the added value for people who like to talk smack, etc. That aspect just never appealed to me.

Campana has an incredible speed tool that is very valuable to a contending team, i.e. - the Arizona Diamondbacks.

I hope the Cubs can get prospects for him, it's just unlikely and you are treating it like it's a simple solution to their problems. It's not. There are a lot of factors at play and it's doubtful that they all come together for the Cubs to maximize a return on Soriano.

Is saving $20-25 mil over the next two seasons really worth it to the Cubs if they lose Soriano and receive organizational filler in return? I think I'd much rather have him on the big league club in that scenario, his contract won't be impeding the front office from signing key free agents if they so desire, or acquiring talent at the deadline if the team is contending. Because they won't be contending within the window that Soriano is under contract.

I think this conversation is great, but it might be a little out of place here, and we should probably save it for another time. So I'll put something here to bring it back on topic:

Cubs Announce AA & AAA Rosters
http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/0...-and-iowa-aaa/

I don't see how the amount of games determines whether something is a rivalry or not
In other sports like football the Bears Play the packers twice and thats considered a rivalry
Hell I can't even recall the last time either team was good at the same time but thats irrelevant
Plenty of experts saw the Yankees seeking Soriano and there were even some rumors about phillies getting Soriano for Domonic Brown.
Soriano is 36 and the Cubs might be contending in 2015 why keep a guy that can make an impact on a currently contending team. Seems pointless IMO. But I can see what you're saying not a lot of people want marmol either