Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[hjgilber]

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Considering that I am suggesting a logical and objective approach, that is VERY presumptuous, wouldn't you agree?


I don't know what we could do about their floor but this is a terrific suggestion--much better than what we have now.

I was clearly teasing. See: ":P"

[rjackson]

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QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a reasonable chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Some end up as role players or bench guys. Many don't make it at all.

[jnavarro]

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Just bumping this one back to the first page for Cubs fans. I'm interested to see how the OSFM roster rates the Cubs this year. I think it will be important to find out who is doing the roster and what that person's thoughts are.

[hjgilber]

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Law ranked the Cubs system 5th. Sickels ranked them 10th.

[jnavarro]

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Law ranked the Cubs system 5th. Sickels ranked them 10th.

The system has come a long way in the last two years. It is nice to be in the top third or so. Now we need to develop these guys.

[bspring3]

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A good filler for the Cubs would be 1B Justin Bour in AA, probably about a C- potential

[hjgilber]

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A good filler for the Cubs would be 1B Justin Bour in AA, probably about a C- potential

I think I'll make a list of players I think should be on the OSFM this spring. I'll work on it in the next couple days and post it.

[jnavarro]

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I think I'll make a list of players I think should be on the OSFM this spring. I'll work on it in the next couple days and post it.

Here is Baseball America's list of our top prospects to help you. I marked the ones who should already be in the game. I'm not endorsing the order, just providing the names. Some of the pitchers in the teens have high potential.

1.Javier Baez, SS
2.Albert Almora, OF
3.Jorge Soler, OF
4.Arodys Vizcaino, RHP (will he be in? Didn't pitch last year but was in)
5.Brett Jackson, OF (should be in)
6.Pierce Johnson, RHP
7.Dan Vogelbach, 1B
8.Jeimer Candelario, 3B
9.Kyuji Fujikawa, RHP
10.Arismendy Alcantara, SS
11.Juan Carlos Paniagua, RHP
12.Christian Villanueva, 3B
13.Alberto Cabrera, RHP (In)
14.Matt Szczur, OF
15.Junior Lake, SS/3B
16.Paul Blackburn, RHP
17.Duane Underwood, RHP
18.Dillon Maples, RHP
19.Logan Watkins, 2B/SS/OF
20.Marco Hernandez, SS
21.Gioskar Amaya, 2B
22.Tony Zych, RHP
23.Robert Whitenack, RHP
24.Trey McNutt, RHP
25.Josh Vitters, 3B (In)
26.Barret Loux, RHP
27.Matt Loosen, RHP
28.Lendy Castillo, RHP (In)
29.Marcus Hatley, RHP
30.Trey Martin, OF
31.Reggie Golden, OF

[zack4070]

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It is unbelievable how nobody in the whole Cubs system takes Bases on Balls??? From majors to minors the BB:K ratios are dreadful.

Baez 14BB:69K
Almora 2:13
BJackson LOL

To name a few. GO CUBS!!!

[MrOldboy]

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I agree with most that's been posted already, it there is a disagreement its only a + or a - really.

I terms of the potential ratings though I was always under the impression that A's are very rare and potential big name stars and B's are considered to be good-great everyday players.

I agree that Baez does have a legitimate chance at being a star player, but I don't know if any other player in the Cub's organization should also get an A potential.

But I'm a skeptic as a Cubs fan so I may be undervaluing these guys.

[js3512]

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Almora-Soler-Baez is a scary 2-3-4.

Slightly off topic but Rizzo should remain in that mix at #3 by the time these guys get there. A 2-3-4-5-6 of Almora-Rizzo-Soler-Baez-Castro is certainly something for Cub fans to be excited about.

[jnavarro]

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I agree with most that's been posted already, it there is a disagreement its only a + or a - really.

I terms of the potential ratings though I was always under the impression that A's are very rare and potential big name stars and B's are considered to be good-great everyday players.

I agree that Baez does have a legitimate chance at being a star player, but I don't know if any other player in the Cub's organization should also get an A potential.

But I'm a skeptic as a Cubs fan so I may be undervaluing these guys.

Here is a quote from a fangraphs chat the other day:
Not counting Taveras, which NL hitting prospect has the highest ceiling in the minors?

JD Sussman:
For me, look at the Cubs. Soler, Baez or Almora. Personally, I LOVE Soler, but I won't fault you with any of the three.

Exciting isn't it? I think they are all three some level of A. Baez seems to have the highest ceiling, Soler maybe the most exciting tools, and the scouts themselves seem to LOVE Almora the most. I think it is safe to say that we have a "big three" but I just wish one of them was a pitcher.

[js3512]

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Here is a quote from a fangraphs chat the other day:
Not counting Taveras, which NL hitting prospect has the highest ceiling in the minors?

JD Sussman:
For me, look at the Cubs. Soler, Baez or Almora. Personally, I LOVE Soler, but I won't fault you with any of the three.

Exciting isn't it? I think they are all three some level of A. Baez seems to have the highest ceiling, Soler maybe the most exciting tools, and the scouts themselves seem to LOVE Almora the most. I think it is safe to say that we have a "big three" but I just wish one of them was a pitcher.

Agree on all counts. For me, Almora seems to be the closest thing to a sure thing but without one in particular great aspect of his game but he very good at all aspects. On the other hand, Soler and Baez seem more like potential superstars with Baez being a lil more raw but with a higher ceiling.

[MrOldboy]

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I guess my question is how often of A potential players in the game end up being very high overall rated players. Is there any variability where you could sim 5 years into franchise and there would be A players who don't end up being highly rated.

Is there a guide or something that explains how the ratings, progression, potential, etc works in detail?

I honestly don't know exactly what potential means in terms of The Show. Which is why I might be undervaluing them.

[yanksdaniel99]

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I guess my question is how often of A potential players in the game end up being very high overall rated players. Is there any variability where you could sim 5 years into franchise and there would be A players who don't end up being highly rated.

Is there a guide or something that explains how the ratings, progression, potential, etc works in detail?

I honestly don't know exactly what potential means in terms of The Show. Which is why I might be undervaluing them.

Players always reach their potential, there's little chance of them ever busting. I think your underrating the system, go thru the game last year and see how many players got A overalls, many, if not most were not stars, just above average players.