RAZRr1275's Slider Suggestions for Full Minors Discussion

[merg311]

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I think that stamina at 7 is perfect. At 5, too many pitchers were getting pulled around 80-85 pitch mark after having really good performances, quality starts. With stamina at 7, they get stretched out a bit more. Strasburg just through a CG shutout against me and threw 108 pitches total. Had stamina been at 5, I think he would have been pulled after 7 IP.

I'm also finding 7 to be perfect for user stamina as well. I play with the Royals, Bannister, Davies, and Hochever are pretty well gassed after 90-95 pitches and 7 IP, but Greinke can go beyond that more easily while not having to pinpoint everything as precisely as I would with the others.

I was unsure of the pitch control setting for these sliders, but I'm really starting to enjoy the challenge of not being able to just paint the black as easily as before. CPU ball/strike ratio is good, and it's fun to try to work the count, draw some walks. It seems true to life, get ahead in the count, work the pitch count, they start throwing some meat right down the heart.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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I played with these settings and the rest were on TNKNGM's sliders on All-Star with classic pitching. Tim Lincecum got pulled with 84 pitches, but he gave up back-to-back home runs. And John Maine got pulled with 81 pitches, and he was pitching a gem. I was using the Cardinals in both games.

Pulled in what inning? What was the score? Was he due up in the next half inning? Were there a bunch of LH bats due up? Did you have runners on, how many outs?

[tbbucsfan001]

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Pulled in what inning? What was the score? Was he due up in the next half inning? Were there a bunch of LH bats due up? Did you have runners on, how many outs?

Lincecum - 6th
Maine - 7th

Lincecum - I was up 4-0
Maine - I was down 1-0

Lincecum - Next 3 batters were Ludwick, Rasmus, Molina
Maine - Next 3 batters were pitcher's spot (I pinch hit Stavinoha after they brought in Jenrry Mejia), Schumaker, Ludwick

Lincecum - 0 outs and nobody on (hooked after back-to-back homers and was having trouble throwing strikes the entire game)
Maine - runners on first and second with 1 out

[abcabc]

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i still haven't had the chance to try user stamina at 7, maybe even 8, a few times... would love to... hopefully soon, but wanted to add, watching Andy Pettitte tonight... on his 107th pitch.. I think it was against Ryan Howard w/ the bases loaded... he hit 91mph on the gun. Okay, maybe the gun is off by a few, maybe not. And really, watching him w/ close attention he didn't lose any mph from any of his other pitches.. 82mph change, 76-77mph curve. But my previous tests I had already posted that around 85-90 pitches w/ his current stamina, he was waaay gone.

point is, in my observation, the majority of mlb starters hold onto their 'stuff' for upwards of 100-110 pitches. i've felt this before these re-rates btw, just watching baseball. the small upper elite (maybe count on 1 hand) can go well beyond, like 120+ and hold onto his stuff w/o drop off... but it's not something they're allowed in game to demonstrate, thus there isn't need if i may, for there to be a tiered seperation between stamina levels.

what i'm saying is that lets say there are a class of 30 special highschoolers, the whole class isn't your average mix of kids. Out of 30, 5 are geniuses (last names Lincecum, Sabathia, Halladay, C.Lee whatever)... The remaining, 20 are very good, then at the bottom 5 are average good, because the whole class is a special class.

I'm the school teacher... and I pass out a easy-medium difficulty exam.
The 5 geniuses get 100% on my exam, the dont break a sweat. The 20 good students get 100%, 98%, 95% The 5 average kids get 93-92.

I think all are then either A, or A-

If I then release a ultra difficult exam, the 5 geniuses pull 96, 94, 92... they've been challenged. but still are in the A, A- tier.

The 20 other kids that arent prodigys pul 85, -89... down to the B tier.

It's like a in 9 inning game, it's an easy enough 'exam' for MLB caliber starters.... that pitchers do not get to show seperation by stamina that this modified roster set is trying to establish.

Instead, the more realized, tangible, visible seperator between pitchers i think is their arsenal, the filthiness of their pitch types, breaks, command, actual skill.

How long they stay in games, which leads to their average IP/game... is manager hook... which is rarely based on pitcher stamina issues IMHO, it's more the case of being based on game situations... righty starter is in a jam (in the show, it could be the confidence bar being less than half) and they need a lefty reliever to face a lefty lineup... , 3rd time through the order and the heart of the lineup is up and the mgr feels the starters 'skill, pitch type' isnt good enough to sneak by again... pitcher not sharp tonight and gutted through 6 innings (not stamina here, just control issues of his stuff). The only kind of sort of stamina related manager hook situation that happens the most often in reallife is pitch count 100pitches, or too many high stress innings and near 100pitches... but again at 100 pitches, in real life the starter tends to have retained his original mph, he's just being hooked. With this roster, the pitcher, while yes he can gut through 100pitches but the big point is, the mph I noticed is long gone, so the energy is just depleted too soon, killing his stuff too soon. Again, not referring to the few 'geniuses' but it could be the majority typical good starters below the niche elite class. Of course some starters could simply be 'staminized' wrong relative to their peers.

[grgmths1433]

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Royals(Me)8 @ Braves(CPU)6

Royals..........8 runs/13 hits/2 errors
Braves..........6 runs/12 hits/1 error

Royals
2b:M.Aviles (2) Y.Betancourt (1)
hr:J.Guillen (2)
rbi:S.Podsednik,J.Guillen (3),M.Aviles

Braves
2b:B.McCann,M.Cabrera,
3b:M.Cabrera
hr:T.Glaus,J.Heyward
rbi:M.Prado,C.Jones,T.Glaus,J.Heyward,B.Hicks

Royals
B.Bannister..............6.0(ip) 7(hits) 3(runs) 3(er) 0(bb) 1(so)
B.Wood...................1.0(ip) 3(hits) 3(runs) 2(er) 0(bb) 0(so)
R.Tejeda..................1.0(ip) 1(hit) 1(run) 1(er) 0(bb) 0(so)
J.Soria.....................1.0(ip) 1(hit) 0(run) 0(er) 0(bb)1(so)

Braves
D.Lowe....................3.0(ip) 6(hits) 5(runs) 5(er) 2(bb) 2(so)
C.Martinez................2.0(ip) 4(hits) 2(runs) 2(er) 0(bb) 2(so)
J.Venters..................2.0(ip) 1(hit) 0(run) 0(er) 2(bb) 0(so)
J.chavez...................1.0(ip) 1(hit) 0(run) 0(er) 0(bb) 0(so)
C.Kimbrel...................1.0(ip) 1(hit) 1(run) 1(er) 0(bb) 3(so)

player of the game
J.Guillen 4(ab) 3(runs) 2(hits) 0(2b) 0(3b) 2(hr) 3(rbi)

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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Lincecum - 6th
Maine - 7th

Lincecum - I was up 4-0
Maine - I was down 1-0

Lincecum - Next 3 batters were Ludwick, Rasmus, Molina
Maine - Next 3 batters were pitcher's spot (I pinch hit Stavinoha after they brought in Jenrry Mejia), Schumaker, Ludwick

Lincecum - 0 outs and nobody on (hooked after back-to-back homers and was having trouble throwing strikes the entire game)
Maine - runners on first and second with 1 out

Linceum makes sense to me, 84 pitches, 4 runs through 6. Maybe they let him pitch to Ludwick in real life, but would most likely bring in a lefty for Rasmus if Ludwick gets on. I'd do the same thing. Was Tim due up to bat in next inning?

The Maine one is a little strange, agreed, but not by much. He probably pitches through there, trying to get the DP ball, (moreso with the pitchers spot) But I think that is what sells it to me. The CPU is none to smart about HUM pinch hitter matchups, but they did force your hand in regards to your starter - who by all accounts had a shutout through 6 or 7 innings. Makes sense to me that they would 'try' to get a matchup there with a RISP and only one out.

[mattlanta]

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So you'd recommend these sliders for the rosters with your pitch edits, RAZR?

[RAZRr1275]

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So you'd recommend these sliders for the rosters with your pitch edits, RAZR?

Yes

[huskerfan4life]

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hey RAZR what exactly is the difference between meter & classic pitching?

[tbbucsfan001]

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Linceum makes sense to me, 84 pitches, 4 runs through 6. Maybe they let him pitch to Ludwick in real life, but would most likely bring in a lefty for Rasmus if Ludwick gets on. I'd do the same thing. Was Tim due up to bat in next inning?

The Maine one is a little strange, agreed, but not by much. He probably pitches through there, trying to get the DP ball, (moreso with the pitchers spot) But I think that is what sells it to me. The CPU is none to smart about HUM pinch hitter matchups, but they did force your hand in regards to your starter - who by all accounts had a shutout through 6 or 7 innings. Makes sense to me that they would 'try' to get a matchup there with a RISP and only one out.

Lincecum was do up next inning, I completely understand the Lincecum one. The Maine one is a little funky, but I can see the reasoning.

[JaSnake16]

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Hey people. Now that I can finally play the game LOL, Im a meter guy and have always used PB's perfect sliders with Razrs recommendations in the past. I have never been able to hit spots at will with the PB set.

Razr, you feel 7 for starters stamina is the way to go now? Im just gonna leave the rest of the sliders be (along with relievers stamina at 0) for now. I do not max out the meter, I always try to pitch on the white line so my stamina should not be affected for "overthrowing" every pitch.

[ltw0303cavs]

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for classic i think Razr hit it on the head. 1 for control and 7 for consistency, even though it sounds crazy really really works

[Dean3790]

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So do are the pitch edits compatible with Psycho's sliders? I want to use them but I am not going to change any of the sliders beyond maybe stamina.

[RAZRr1275]

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Hey people. Now that I can finally play the game LOL, Im a meter guy and have always used PB's perfect sliders with Razrs recommendations in the past. I have never been able to hit spots at will with the PB set.

Razr, you feel 7 for starters stamina is the way to go now? Im just gonna leave the rest of the sliders be (along with relievers stamina at 0) for now. I do not max out the meter, I always try to pitch on the white line so my stamina should not be affected for "overthrowing" every pitch.

I use 5 but some people are finding that too low. 7 was one of the numbers thrown about in the full minors thread so I just put that there as a suggestion if 5 doesn't cut it for you.

So do are the pitch edits compatible with Psycho's sliders? I want to use them but I am not going to change any of the sliders beyond maybe stamina.

They're compatible with any set.

[Dean3790]

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Should the slider adjustments be used when simming games as well, or just playing?