Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

[steviegolfballs]

Re: Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

The main thing I'm trying to find is a bit more offense without increasing home runs and without decreasing strike outs.

[nomo17k]

Re: Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

The main thing I'm trying to find is a bit more offense without increasing home runs and without decreasing strike outs.

I think your set is a click or two more toward extreme than mine in general (which I think is tending to a slightly less offense), so perhaps you could try increasing Timing (3 right now) and decreasing Pitcher Control (8 right now) by one. Both of these should help offense a bit.

[Hannah000]

Re: Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

Just wanted to remind you that you are a Cutie, Nomo

[nomo17k]

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Just wanted to remind you that you are a Cutie, Nomo

Thank you, though I do realize my cuteness has been fading while I've been away from New Jersey. I need the chemical shower from the manufacturing plants RIGHT NOW.

[shadia147]

Re: Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

My slider set followed Nomo17's at 9 on the Steal Frequency.
9 "Feels" about right on CPU vs CPU.
But after just two weeks, I have one guy with 13 steals, and several with 9 or 10.
If my Math is correct that would mean close to 150 steals for the season.
Shattering Rickey Henderson's mark.
But according to Nomo, his overall statistics say that steal frequency is only about 3/100s off where it should be.
I realize this is all a matter of taste. But I don't want to see records shattered so easily.
What slider are most of you using in this regard?

[nomo17k]

Re: Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

My slider set followed Nomo17's at 9 on the Steal Frequency.
9 "Feels" about right on CPU vs CPU.
But after just two weeks, I have one guy with 13 steals, and several with 9 or 10.
If my Math is correct that would mean close to 150 steals for the season.
Shattering Rickey Henderson's mark.
But according to Nomo, his overall statistics say that steal frequency is only about 3/100s off where it should be.
I realize this is all a matter of taste. But I don't want to see records shattered so easily.
What slider are most of you using in this regard?

One thing to be aware is that especially early in the season, many stats quite often look extreme. Like a guy hitting 30+ HRs before the all star break, etc. (in a non-PED era I'm talking about). That of course leads to all the chatters about the season HR record being broken, etc., but more often than not the number ends within a fairly reasonable range.

Stats do tend to regress to the mean, so I'd be careful to make a judgement. Particularly steal numbers can fluctuate a lot... quite likely those base stealers are getting on base as well (high OBP), and it's likely they won't continue the streak.

Not that I'm telling you to stay with Steal Frequency at 9, but I'm just saying...


By the way, I've been playing RTTS with a speedster.. When you try to break Rickey Henderson's season SB record, you realize how tough it is to steal 130+ bases in a season. You almost need to take off at every chance, and you do need to go for 3B quite often... when the defense is totally alert. That tells how prolific a base stealer Rickey Henderson was. Quite an amazing feat.

[shadia147]

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While I agree with you that Stats tend to gravitate towards the mean. I decided to lower my steals down to six. The kicker was Derek Jeter already has 6 steals.
Thats just gotta be outta wack.
As I might have said earlier, in your database, the total number of steals for all of MLB might be in line. The problem in my Data is that only a few players are getting all the steals, whereas in real life, there might be more players stealing fewer bases each.
So, I'll just chalk the numbers so far as being early season aggression, and I'll pretend that stealing dropped in Mid April because Managers began getting a book on each others signals. No harm no foul.
As to Rickey Henderson (off Topic), he never had to steal against Johnny Bench.
Lou Brock was oh-for 4 against Bench the year he stole 100 + .
I'll even make the insane statement that Bench might have even picked Henderson off first. Bench was that good.

[nomo17k]

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While I agree with you that Stats tend to gravitate towards the mean. I decided to lower my steals down to six. The kicker was Derek Jeter already has 6 steals.
Thats just gotta be outta wack.
As I might have said earlier, in your database, the total number of steals for all of MLB might be in line. The problem in my Data is that only a few players are getting all the steals, whereas in real life, there might be more players stealing fewer bases each.
So, I'll just chalk the numbers so far as being early season aggression, and I'll pretend that stealing dropped in Mid April because Managers began getting a book on each others signals. No harm no foul.
As to Rickey Henderson (off Topic), he never had to steal against Johnny Bench.
Lou Brock was oh-for 4 against Bench the year he stole 100 + .
I'll even make the insane statement that Bench might have even picked Henderson off first. Bench was that good.

That is a good point about *who* actually steals all these bases.

It's actually something Brian@SCEA also mentioned a while ago... like how the vast majority of base steals are attempted by only a few elite stealers on the team. Which makes sense since elites are elites because they can steal even when the defense is alert (Ricky Henderson), but those who do steals but not so frequently are successful more likely because they are adept in sneaking one in (like Kevin McReynolds... sorry I just cannot help but mentioning at least a Met...).

I'm by no means suggesting that Steal Frequency at 9 is the best option. I actually do think lowering it one or two clicks would be good for the very reason that you mentioned (and also to reduce steals to 3B), even if that makes the overall SB/CS numbers slightly lower than the MLB average.

After all, I just made it that I'd mostly follow what I get in terms of stats to remove subjectivity as much as possible. But when you feel something is really funky, it'd be better to adjust accordingly. What we have here in this thread is just a guide.


And Bench does look very impressive in terms of SB/CS %:

http://www.statisticalmeanderings.com/2011/07/leaderboard-score-catcher-cs.html

But Henderson was indeed quite impressive.... I liked how we had this anticipation of him stealing, and with the defense/pitching/catching totally alert he still stole successfully. I also had a pleasure of watching Vince Coleman when he was with the Mets, but he wasn't nearly as aggressive a stealer by then...

It's also interesting that, over the years, base stealing has become easier and easier in terms of success rate. I wonder what changed.

[seanjeezy]

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I'm sure the BR ability and BR frequency attributes play a part as well. Not sure how it is in the default rosters, but in the initial OSFM, quite a few players had ability and frequency in the 0-20 range.

And then there's a few guys with almost max ability and frequency, and if you go by Knight's charts, means they will steal something like 60 bases at a 90% clip.

[nomo17k]

Re: Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

I'm sure the BR ability and BR frequency attributes play a part as well. Not sure how it is in the default rosters, but in the initial OSFM, quite a few players had ability and frequency in the 0-20 range.

And then there's a few guys with almost max ability and frequency, and if you go by Knight's charts, means they will steal something like 60 bases at a 90% clip.

Right... I think the number of steal attempts are influenced by the combination of Speed and BR Ability/Aggressiveness. So in order to keep both the total number of base steals in the league and individual steal attempts in check, you may need to touch both sliders and ratings.

At one time I was testing players with very high BR Aggressiveness but very low Speed and BR Ability. They hardly attempt a base steal, but it was funny how the pitcher keeps trying to pick them off. Just shows how the CPU defense/pitcher is aware of the Aggressiveness rating.

[seanjeezy]

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Would you happen to know what the BR ability rating does in-game Nomo? Does it just determine how good of a jump the runner gets?

[nomo17k]

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Would you happen to know what the BR ability rating does in-game Nomo? Does it just determine how good of a jump the runner gets?

In simmed games, I know that basically control the steal success % (along with Speed rating... the interactions of between two or more ratings tend to be difficult).

In gameplay, I am not totally sure what BR Ability does. My guess is as good as yours, that attribute affects the jump on steal, as the in-game strategy guide does state so.

I think BR Aggressiveness (or Frequency... always confused) factors in when you try to repeatedly attempt to steal... My guess on how this works is that on a first surprise attempt, the raw BR Ability rating is used for how good a jump a base stealer gets. But on subsequent attempt(s), the base stealer cannot maintain the same level of jumps if his Aggressiveness rating is low, while a high Aggressiveness stealer can maintain it. So BR Aggressivness rating is a some sort of modifier on BR Ability, to control how a runner can steal repeatedly or not.

[merc3074]

Re: Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

Nomo,

I've got a quick question.

I enjoy just managing the game; not simming or playing.. Is it correct to will assume when I select the manage game option, the sliders will act as a CPU vs CPU game and gameplay options do not apply...

thanks for the slider research =)

[nomo17k]

Re: Stats-Based CPU Sliders [MLB 12 Version]

Nomo,

I've got a quick question.

I enjoy just managing the game; not simming or playing.. Is it correct to will assume when I select the manage game option, the sliders will act as a CPU vs CPU game and gameplay options do not apply...

thanks for the slider research =)

Yes that's correct. For MoM games, a CPU vs. CPU slider is your best bet.

[HC0023]

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Hey Nomo was wondering if there have been any updates to your sliders? If so can you please post them .Thanks