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  • derelictojama
    Rookie
    • May 2012
    • 163

    #61
    Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

    Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
    Derelict, this is interesting.

    I went though my first 55 games and totaled up the number of games a starter of mine had 8+ K's.

    I counted 9. How does that sound? That's essentially once every 6 games.

    And just to note, I'm almost last in BB's allowed (meaning I'm walking almost the most hitters per game in the league, at just under 4 per). I was actually considering raising Consistency to 6 for my second season in an attempt to bring my BB's down a TAD.
    Well, to really do it right might require crunching some numbers, which is not really my specialty, but I guess it would go something like this: looking at this year's numbers, Tommy Hanson has struck out 46 in 51.2 innings, for an 8.01 k/9. Looking at his starts (9 so far) he has struck out 8 once and 9 once, other than that no more than 7. So that would tell me that when pitching with him, if he goes 9, I should average 8 Ks, if he goes 6, I should average 5. But note that his high games, 8 & 9, were in games in which he pitched 5.0 innings; the longest he's gone so far is 7.0, 3 times, with k totals of 4, 7, and 3. So really, if I do get a CG out of him, it would probably be a low-K game; if I get 8-9 Ks out of him, he's probably gone by the 6th. Now, how go my results line up with that? I don't know, exactly, but I guess that's the direction we could head. Look not just at overall numbers but how each pitcher lines up--I really should get more Ks with Hanson and Minor than with Hudson and Jurrgens, etc.

    Looking at it another way, counting up the Braves RL stats, in 42 games, the starter has topped 8 Ks 4 times--Hanson twice and Minor twice. Obviously you'd want to look at the Yankees, but by those numbers I'd extrapolate the Braves to have like 6-7 times at/over 8Ks through 55 games, so 9 might be high? Don't know exactly, CC can strike some dudes out.

    I'm pretty happy with dropping both control and consistency sliders (both at 6 for me now, I think--I thought 7 was helping me, but I don't know that it really was--if they're TOO high, it makes it too hard NOT to throw a strike), like the results. If I continue to not give up enough walks I MIGHT knock one of them down again, but really I'm happy with it just happening moderately frequently. I swear if I walked 5 guys with Hanson in 3 innings, like I've seen him really do, I might just have a stroke, and that's just not worth it!

    I will certainly think more about this and keep track of my numbers, but now I gotta go actually play the game to make all this strategic discussion pay off! I'm in the playoffs!

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    • Hannah000
      Banned
      • Feb 2012
      • 108

      #62
      Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

      I pitch on Veteran Level using Classic Pitching with Control at 2 and Consistency at 8. This yields excellent results.

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      • Heroesandvillains
        MVP
        • May 2009
        • 5974

        #63
        Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

        Ok Derelict, this is even more interesting!

        I have control and consistency at 5. Here's the kicker:

        If I had started my Franchise 15 games ago, versus 60, I would be 100% convinced that consistency needed to go to 6 for me. My K's have dropped over this stretch (going from around 7.5 per to 7.1 per...big jump this late in the season). So even though I've done 8+ nine times, I have NOT done it once over this period. Not once.

        Is this the game evening itself out? LOL!

        My K/9 are as follows:

        Sabathia 8.7
        Pineda 8.6
        Robertson 8.6
        Nova 7.8 (big suprise!)
        Logan 7.8
        Soriano 7.6
        Kuroda 6.5 (considering his K rating, this seems low)
        Rivera 6.5
        Hughes 6.4 (again, seems low, I'll have to check)

        These are all pulled from memory of me looking on the player card last night, so my decimals may be off. Honestly, other than a few outliers, this looks great to me.

        But my walks LATELY are coming at like a 1:1.5 clip with my K's or even worse over this stretch. 6 K, 5 BB. 3 k, 3 BB. 7 K, 4 BB...

        The only thing that coorelates with my recent struggles is the fact that I began calling my own game about 10% more often. Maybe for now, I should at least try to go back to trusting my catcher more.

        Perhaps my 11 K game with Nova made me more cocky! I literally started to go with my gut more after that start. Since then, I've sucked! LOL!

        After 45 franchise games, my stats were money!!! So I don't really think it's a slider thing. 45 games is long enough for trends to build so I'm racking my brain trying to figure out what changed. High heat is too high. Inside is too inside! So I bring it in the zone a millimeter more next time, freaking meatball! LOL!

        I'm so tempted to raise consistency to 6 but I feel like I've proven to myself that I can do this WITHOUT sliders. I already did for 45 games but this stretch has built up my modesty meter! LOL! I probably always sucked, but now I know it too!
        Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 05-21-2012, 11:12 AM.

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        • derelictojama
          Rookie
          • May 2012
          • 163

          #64
          Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

          Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
          Ok Derelict, this is even more interesting!

          I have control and consistency at 5. Here's the kicker:

          If I had started my Franchise 15 games ago, versus 60, I would be 100% convinced that consistency needed to go to 6 for me. My K's have dropped over this stretch (going from around 7.5 per to 7.1 per...big jump this late in the season). So even though I've done 8+ nine times, I have NOT done it once over this period. Not once.

          Is this the game evening itself out? LOL!

          My K/9 are as follows:

          Sabathia 8.7
          Pineda 8.6
          Robertson 8.6
          Nova 7.8 (big suprise!)
          Logan 7.8
          Soriano 7.6
          Kuroda 6.5 (considering his K rating, this seems low)
          Rivera 6.5
          Hughes 6.4 (again, seems low, I'll have to check)

          These are all pulled from memory of me looking on the player card last night, so my decimals may be off. Honestly, other than a few outliers, this looks great to me.

          But my walks LATELY are coming at like a 1:1.5 clip with my K's or even worse over this stretch. 6 K, 5 BB. 3 k, 3 BB. 7 K, 4 BB...

          The only thing that coorelates with my recent struggles is the fact that I began calling my own game about 10% more often. Maybe for now, I should at least try to go back to trusting my catcher more.

          Perhaps my 11 K game with Nova made me more cocky! I literally started to go with my gut more after that start. Since then, I've sucked! LOL!

          After 45 franchise games, my stats were money!!! So I don't really think it's a slider thing. 45 games is long enough for trends to build so I'm racking my brain trying to figure out what changed. High heat is too high. Inside is too inside! So I bring it in the zone a millimeter more next time, freaking meatball! LOL!

          I'm so tempted to raise consistency to 6 but I feel like I've proven to myself that I can do this WITHOUT sliders. I already did for 45 games but this stretch has built up my modesty meter! LOL! I probably always sucked, but now I know it too!
          Those K numbers look decent, if they're off it would just be by a decimal point or two; don't know the Yankees staff well myself, but you could just simply compare them to RL to see if they track (not expecting perfection, just not outside a certain margin either way). I reckon I'll do the same with the Braves, but not just at the moment; I'm in the playoffs and so I'm really just pitching to win, damn the stats at the moment. But when I get to the beginning of next season, I'll start tracking it a little more. (I can say I just pitched a game with Jurrjens, got 2k and 2bb in 6+ innings, really felt about right--he IS a guy who pitches to contact, sometimes too much...but then I blew them away with Venters and Kimbrel, 2 Ks each in 1 inning each)

          As to the catcher calling the game, I have pretty much always followed it 90% of the time, but as I'm changing the way I play, I find I'm using it less and less, more like a suggestion. I think I changed it because now I'm REALLY paying attention to pitch confidence and changing speeds and eye level, and the pitch calling AI isn't always on the same page with me. I'd say I often take it's (in my case, McCann's) advice on the first pitch; but after that, not so much. I guess that's kind of "going with the gut," and I haven't gotten too badly burned yet (looking for wood to knock on...that get's harder and harder to do... I propose we change the term to "knock on plastic," that would be much easier).

          So I'm at 6/6, and I'll stay there at least through the playoffs. Maybe I'll play with it during spring training, because lowering them from 7 to 6 improved my game overall; possible going to 5/5 or 6/5 or 5/6 could make it even one step better. We shall see.

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          • Heroesandvillains
            MVP
            • May 2009
            • 5974

            #65
            Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

            You're already at the playoffs? Wow! Are you playing 11 or 12?

            If 12, that's crazy! Are you simming at all?

            Yeah, I'll have to recheck K/9. I know for a fact that even though Robertson's is impressive, compared to real life, it's low. But otherwise, it all looks pretty good to me. Where some players are down, others are up (Kuroda is probably down, but Nova is WAY up).

            I'm approximately between 0.20-0.80 (probably on the lower end rather than the higher 0.80 end) K's per game under where I'd like...though, my BB's are approximately 0.50-0.75 per game too high. If I could literally turn 1 BB into an extra K per game, I'd be exactly where I want to be.

            But I'm wondering if bringing Consistency to 6 will over compensate too much over time.

            Though...

            Let's take Pineda, for example. I believe his K rating is like an 87. He had 173 SO over 171 IP last year in Seattle over 28 starts in real life. In my Franchise, he has 66 SO over 68 IP after 12 starts.

            If I calculate him keep this up in my Franchise, if he made 16 more starts (totaling 28), his line should look like this:

            154 SO over 158 IP.

            Which pretty much confirms what I had expected. It's not K/9 that's off. It's average IP per game.

            And this is across the board on my staff.

            Though it would only seem rational to boost the stamina slider, I can't overlook the fact this his (and most of my starters) have K/BB ratios of 2:1. This includes Pineda (who has 31 BB's for me so far, I think), who averaged a ratio of better than 3:1 last year in real life!

            I need to get my BB's down.

            But I'm torn. My gut says, "H&V, don't touch sliders. Get more aggressive." But everytime I do, the CPU starts putting the ball in play what seems to be too frequently early in the count. Lowering my K's per game.

            But, it could increase my average IP per game, which in turn could bring total K's per game up (and hopefully not diminish my K/9 stats, which I think look really good).

            It's just frustrating when the CPU pops 0-0, 0-1 pitches to my second baseman. When I nibble, this happens less.

            See the trade off and unknown aspects here?

            I want to do this without sliders, so I will see if I can increase IP's (without also increasing BB's) FIRST without touching Consistency. But if this 15 game stretch turns into 25, I'll have to look into bumping it or at the very least, Starter Stamina...
            Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 05-21-2012, 01:52 PM.

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            • derelictojama
              Rookie
              • May 2012
              • 163

              #66
              Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

              Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
              You're already at the playoffs? Wow! Are you playing 11 or 12?

              If 12, that's crazy! Are you simming at all?

              ....

              I'll have to look into bumping it or at the very least, Starter Stamina...
              Hehe... yeah, I sim a lot. I have a...philosophy I try to stick to (if I ever get around to doing a dynasty report, which I intend to do, I'll explain it there in more detail, if it seems relevant), started off as play 1 per series, morphed into the "next big game", then as the season went on I got a little sim happy. I'm thinking I started this Braves dynasty...3 weeks ago? And I got to the playoffs yesterday...I think I played at least 30-maybe 40 games (that would be 1-2 a day, that seems right). Keeping it brief here, I really want to chew through some years with this dynasty, see my draft picks retire, so I am not a play every game kind of guy.

              That said, realistic game play in the games I do play--and toward the end of the season, it became like, sim the series against losing teams, play 1-2 or even all 3 of an important series, and I do play every playoff game--is very important to me. And by realistic, I mean MY definition of realistic, which I call "best case realism" (which I will be happy to define in more detail, but probably explains itself--I expect people would have some fun reactions to my philosophy). But basically, if realBeachy strikes out 8.1 per 9, IBeachy want to strike out 8.1, or at least 7.9 or 8.3, and have the right ball/strike ratio, and get the right number of double plays, and all that.

              As for Stamina, that's another part of my philosophy, which I've mentioned elsewhere, but bears brief repeating here, as it is relevant: I went through and bumped up the stamina of every starter in MLB (essentially, not literally), because I want to live in a world where a pitcher can pitch a complete game! That might impact some of the opinions and observations I give, because higher (not maxxed out for everyone, I used some judgement, however, central to that judgement is that A YOUNGER PLAYER SHOULD HAVE MORE STAMINA THAN AN OLDER ONE, a simple biological concept video game ratings don't seem to understand. sorry for shouting) stamina can affect other gameplay factors.

              Ok, Brandon Beachy is literally waiting for me to throw the first pitch of game 1 of the World Series, Braves vs. Tigers, so I gotta go. (For the WS, I have adjusted all sliders as close to armor and swords as I can do without feeling like I have no chance, so wish me luck. Win or lose, I'll take it like a man...)

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              • Heroesandvillains
                MVP
                • May 2009
                • 5974

                #67
                Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                Go get em bro!

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                • ksig24
                  Resident Scout
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 1417

                  #68
                  Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                  OK you classic pitching bafoons!!!! I'm pissed! No really!

                  I dont really have an idea on the slider settings, but I am using the Cooperstown set of Authentic and I Live for this. I cant seem to hit a spot for the life of me. I have a firm understanding of how to press the button and what variations to use, but its killing my realism. I dont mind missing sometimes, but seriously ball, ball, ball, ball, ball, k, ball, k some place where I didnt aim it, ball way the hell outside or down, or up or WTF!

                  HELP

                  PS I hope my frustration amuses you guys! Plus I enjoy using the emoticons!

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                  • Heroesandvillains
                    MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 5974

                    #69
                    Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                    Originally posted by ksig24
                    OK you classic pitching bafoons!!!! I'm pissed! No really!

                    I dont really have an idea on the slider settings, but I am using the Cooperstown set of Authentic and I Live for this. I cant seem to hit a spot for the life of me. I have a firm understanding of how to press the button and what variations to use, but its killing my realism. I dont mind missing sometimes, but seriously ball, ball, ball, ball, ball, k, ball, k some place where I didnt aim it, ball way the hell outside or down, or up or WTF!

                    HELP

                    PS I hope my frustration amuses you guys! Plus I enjoy using the emoticons!
                    LOL!

                    I'll help you all day long tomorrow if you're on. But I'm in a rush at the moment.

                    Ksig, I FELT your pain.

                    For now, read my write up on page 5 (which is extensive), and boost Consistency one click from where you have it.

                    I'll be dead at work all day. So tonight, if you have any specific questions, ask away. I'll do my best to field them tomorrow one by one.

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                    • Heroesandvillains
                      MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 5974

                      #70
                      Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                      Ksig,

                      Oh Lordie!!! You're on Legend?!?!?!?!?!

                      *SMACK*

                      What the heck, man?

                      Classic and Legend do not mix well, unless you like pain.

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                      • Heroesandvillains
                        MVP
                        • May 2009
                        • 5974

                        #71
                        Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                        Also,

                        If anyone needs convincing that box scores are varied and that the CPU can absolutely pound you on All-Star, I will singlehandedly type out the final scores for all of my 62 games.

                        It's THAT good!

                        My ERA just hit 4.00 (my high water mark...meaning it is now it's highest) for the first time since the end of April last night. My stats are scary realistic.
                        Last edited by Heroesandvillains; 05-24-2012, 08:48 PM.

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                        • ksig24
                          Resident Scout
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 1417

                          #72
                          Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                          Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
                          LOL!

                          I'll help you all day long tomorrow if you're on. But I'm in a rush at the moment.

                          Ksig, I FELT your pain.

                          For now, read my write up on page 5 (which is extensive), and boost Consistency one click from where you have it.

                          I'll be dead at work all day. So tonight, if you have any specific questions, ask away. I'll do my best to field them tomorrow one by one.
                          Awesome! I am about to finalize my Mike Zunino report and submit it and then I am leaving the office. We have some friends coming over tonight and he is a gourmet chef!

                          I read this whole damn thread and was hoping to get a response from you, actually I wasnt hoping, I telepathically summoned you.

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                          • ksig24
                            Resident Scout
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 1417

                            #73
                            Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                            Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
                            Ksig,

                            Oh Lordie!!! You're on Legend?!?!?!?!?!

                            *SMACK*

                            What the heck, man?

                            Classic and Legend do not mix well, unless you like pain.
                            I am????? Of course I am! Legend is for legends and I like to think of myself as a legend of sorts, but not a pitch speed legend.

                            I will be checking the posts from that daggone app that cost me $10 tapatalk!

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                            • Heroesandvillains
                              MVP
                              • May 2009
                              • 5974

                              #74
                              Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                              Originally posted by ksig24
                              Awesome! I am about to finalize my Mike Zunino report and submit it and then I am leaving the office. We have some friends coming over tonight and he is a gourmet chef!
                              Being you sounds hard.

                              ........................







                              Talk to you tomorrow.

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                              • ksig24
                                Resident Scout
                                • Feb 2006
                                • 1417

                                #75
                                Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

                                Being me is a lot harder than it sounds. It's hard work being me.

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