Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

[ksig24]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

Can we do some practice in the knockout challenge so we can get that aha moment you were talking about?

[Heroesandvillains]

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I Take it you didn't fare to well last night. LOL!

Another friend of mine that I was helping through PM told me that it essentially took him 5 games on Default AS to go from 'controller breaking mode' to 'this is what baseball is supposed to feel like' mode.

It may take you longer due to the reduced control of your prospects.

What time will you be near your PS3?

I think I noted it in my notes (or somewhere) but if you go into Classic expecting pinpoint control, this interface isn't for you. You WILL hit you spots dead read sometimes, but a lot of your success is going to come from conveniently missing in the general vacinity of where you actually aimed.

Example: You aim on the black thigh high away/you actually get the batter to chase a ball JUST off the plate, which crossed about 3-4 inches higher than where you wanted it.

This is the nature of the interface.

I like to actually aim for a large chunk of the plate a lot. I let the player ratings take over and determine meatball/hit my spot/black/big miss.

If I want a 2-seamer to hit the low and outside corner, unless I am way ahead in the count, I actually place my ball marker WELL within the strike zone (hoping his ratings pull that pitch to the edge). Are you doing this?

You cannot aim the ballmarker where you used to with meter. If you are, stop it immediately.

[ksig24]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

I'm on. I played one game last night LAA vs. MIN trying to relive the no hitter from Weaver. I was at about 92 pitches in the 5th. I did manage to whiff 7 and walk 3. I brought in Hawkins and whiffed another 3 so there is 10 for the game. I ended up losing 5-4.

I tried a couple knockout sessions with Wainwright, but they didnt go all that well.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

I'm on. I played one game last night LAA vs. MIN trying to relive the no hitter from Weaver. I was at about 92 pitches in the 5th. I did manage to whiff 7 and walk 3. I brought in Hawkins and whiffed another 3 so there is 10 for the game. I ended up losing 5-4.

I tried a couple knockout sessions with Wainwright, but they didnt go all that well.

3BB, 10K????

That's awesome, Ksig.

Go back into knockout but tell yourself this:

Classic pitching equals zone pitching.

Think of the zone as 9 big boxes (3 going across on the top, 3 going across the center, 3 going across the bottom). The better your confidence, pitch confidence, stamina, and control rating; the further towards the black you can aim the ball marker.

And the better the count, the closer to the black or off the plate you can aim the ballmarker.

Try 5 pitches with a light tap. 5 medium. 5 max. Get a feel for where the ball moves when attempting each. Each pitcher will have a different sweet spot, and this can adjust throughout the game.

This is a feel interface. If you go in expecting to win this game of knockout, forget it.

This is a feel and zone aiming interface. There is nothing pin point about it unless you earn it (with pitch confidence).

Aim for a large chunk of the zone, and watch how good pitchers will make that ball dance into a safe area. And watch how good pitchers can get away with mistakes (as in real life, because they keep hitters off balance).

You'll get it soon, Ksig. Great start, my friend.

[ksig24]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

I am playing a game right now with Omaha vs. Indianapolis at Kauffman and Odorizzi has 109 pitches going into the 8th, but I am going to yank him now. I felt confident last inning because his pitch confidence was up and I was able to work a quick 7th. His line is 7 hits allowed, 2 R, 0.00 ERA, 1 BB and 6k. The runs were unearned. Bringing in Jeffress now.

[ksig24]

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Lost 2-1 and I whiffed 11 times and I k'd 8 walked 1.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

Lost 2-1 and I whiffed 11 times and I k'd 8 walked 1.

This is great, Ksig.

Keep playing exactly as you are at this point, and do the stat tracking I mentioned yesterday. I want to see how offensive production from the CPU looks like. Track your hitting too. And keep a running tally (IE. Pitching: 4 games, 35 IP, 33 H,........Hitting: 4 games, 33 Hits, 8 2B.....etc).

I'm gonna help you finish up you sliders, so you can just play and enjoy.

How is pitching feeling thus far? Your lines look good. Does it feel as good as it looks?!?!

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

Oh...

And can you track minor league and major league games seperately? There may need to be a slight deviation in the sliders for MiLB games. Hopefully not, but it should be easy enough to tally your numbers seperately just incase.

[derelictojama]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

Been off on other things for a while, but I've been tracking my pitching stats since we last talked, H&V, and have basically combined Armor & Swords sliders with the tweaks you've made to the default All Star sliders, have consistency at 6 and control at 5. I've also moved from the Braves franchise to the Cubs, so very different styles and VERY different talent levels (and I'm playing this one straight-up, so no boosting of starter stamina--if they can't go 6, they can't go 6). I'm away from home for the evening, so I don't have the exact numbers (I could give them to you later if it's worth it), but here are the basics: I'm getting very good, realistic stats as far as IP, pitch counts, hits, runs allowed, and strikeouts (which is what we were talking about before--I'm happy with where they are now), but I'm still giving up too few walks (my strike/ball ratio isn't too far out of whack, I get into deep counts, but I just don't end up walking many). I tried playing with consistency at 5, but I still didn't walk people, I was just more likely to give up a meatball, so hits went way up and walks did not. I walk more with Cubs pitchers than Braves pitchers--a couple a game--but still too few, and I have yet to have a guy so totally lose the zone that he walks multiple people in an inning. I guess I'm more likely to pitch to contact in those situations, so it could be my pitching style... Marmol, for instance, should be walking people left and right (and does when I sim), but I can't get him to NOT be consistent enough. Wondering if boosting CPU power a notch would increase the penalty enough for me to have to waver on the "don't nibble" rule a little more often, with a 3 or 4 power hitter, and just walk the guy, or if I should go back to 5/5 and play more with that, see if it achieves the same purpose. I know you've had problems with too MANY walks in the past, wonder what the difference is between the ways we're doing things? Maybe I give up fewer walks but a few more hits/homers than you?

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

Derelict,

If all your other lines look good, I still think Consistency is your BB's slider. Can you share your stats?

[pokerplaya]

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Alright Heroes... I give up. I'll go with classic or meter and try whatever you think I need to in order to get sim stats...

I'm going to read through all of this thread, and I will start my new franchise tonight... I just want to get it right. I was so hoping I wouldn't get here, but the stats I was getting just aren't going to cut it.

Thanks as always, friend.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

Alright Heroes... I give up. I'll go with classic or meter and try whatever you think I need to in order to get sim stats...

I'm going to read through all of this thread, and I will start my new franchise tonight... I just want to get it right. I was so hoping I wouldn't get here, but the stats I was getting just aren't going to cut it.

Thanks as always, friend.

Cool.

Just to be clear, I don't ever want anyone to think I'm telling them how to play. If I come across the way, it is not my intention.

Classic is not and will never be a pinpoint interface. Read one of my last posts to Ksig. It's really a zone interface, where the ballmarker is a guide.

And I leave the ballmarker ON!

I just raised Consistency to 6 because my first 60 games at Default reflected a 3.83 (I think) BB's per game total. Just a tad high. So 6 I go and it's been marvelous.

Most people I talk to need 5 solid practice game to feel comfortable enough to start their seasons. Consider that your goal.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

Here is my theory and what has been working really well for me with classic.

Its all about the confidence levels on both the ovr confidence meter and individual pitch confidence levels. The higher the confidence, the less effort I put on the pitch. Full confidence in a pitch means I just tap it, anything less than half-way and I hold it until the max effort rumble.

The vibration you get as you move the pitch cursor also comes into play. The more vibration you get the harder it will be to hit your spot. But as both pitch confidence meters increase, you can go further away from heart of plate without gaining much rumble. I take that into account as well when determining to tap, hold 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or to the max effort rumble.

By using those indicators, my frustration levels from previous years of classic is gone and I really love being on the mound again. Since classic is all about the ratings, some days a certain pitch(es) may never work that day. The other thing I have noticed by using the above method is that I see the cpu chasing a lot more now.

FYI-- I am on AS with Hum control and consistency at default.

I just wanted to bump this post.

I left this particular bit (sort of) out of my write-up. This is a great post!

I mentioned this briefly in my Classic synopsis, but the verbiage used here is far better than mine. It is very well described in the above.

[pokerplaya]

Re: Classic Pitching Questions and Discussion 2012

Cool.

Just to be clear, I don't ever want anyone to think I'm telling them how to play. If I come across the way, it is not my intention.

Classic is not and will never be a pinpoint interface. Read one of my last posts to Ksig. It's really a zone interface, where the ballmarker is a guide.

And I leave the ballmarker ON!

I just raised Consistency to 6 because my first 60 games at Default reflected a 3.83 (I think) BB's per game total. Just a tad high. So 6 I go and it's been marvelous.

Most people I talk to need 5 solid practice game to feel comfortable enough to start their seasons. Consider that your goal.

Those changes that you suggested to KSig, with the SB Frequency and such... do you feel all of those changes should be made? Otherwise, I would go with only these changes:

All-Star/Timing/Classic
Consistency 6
Fielder Run Speed 4
Baserunner Speed 4
Fielder Arm Strength 4

And I cracked and am dropping pitch speed to 4. It just seemed a touch too fast on 5. What do you think?

And, no -- I don't think you're telling me how to play. Your results indicate the experience I am looking for.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Those changes that you suggested to KSig, with the SB Frequency and such... do you feel all of those changes should be made? Otherwise, I would go with only these changes:

All-Star/Timing/Classic
Consistency 6
Fielder Run Speed 4
Baserunner Speed 4
Fielder Arm Strength 4

And I cracked and am dropping pitch speed to 4. It just seemed a touch too fast on 5. What do you think?

And, no -- I don't think you're telling me how to play. Your results indicate the experience I am looking for.

I made these changes based on CPU vs CPU testing (remember, I use Auto Fielding)

Fielding Errors 6
SB Ability 4
SB Frequency 8

And my stats reflect that having been a good call for played games.

To get an accurate ERA, runners need to be on base and in scoring position. Whether you use Auto Fielding or not, I'd recommend those changes to everyone. The CPU needs these changes over 162 games for the stats to balance out.

For pitch speed, I use 3. I play in HD with some minimal lag. My brother, who's in SD, uses 4. Don't feel bad about this change.

I like to be able to pull fastballs at 93 MPH and under when looking for one. Granted, I don't always manage to get around on them (thanks to location, etc), but it is my base. I never expect to pull 95 MPH and up unless the ball is exactly where I thought it would be.

Pulling balls is part of baseball. 3 gives me that ability.

Otherwise, it's Consistency 6 and Injuries 6 (sim at 5).