2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

[Mizzou24]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

That's my point! We can't just release a player though outside of franchise mode. We're allowed to do this only in franchise mode in which I haven't started yet. Trying to get all of these moves right but not being able to with the roster restrictions. Oh well, it will have to be done once I start my chise! Thanks!

Yes u can u have to swap them with a free agent.

[dsmith710]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

Getting pretty anxious about these now. Don't wanna be that guy asking for a release date because I understand the crazy amount of time it takes, especially with this amount of detail, so as politely as I can ask... Is there any info on what needs done yet or how far along you guys are?

[Willard76]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

I hate posts like these but I have to ask because I've seen people butchering him in the game recently. What does it look like McCutchen's overall will be for V3?

I am pretty sure McCutchen is the same from our last release, but I will take a look at his speed and see when I get hold of the roster

That's my point! We can't just release a player though outside of franchise mode. We're allowed to do this only in franchise mode in which I haven't started yet. Trying to get all of these moves right but not being able to with the roster restrictions. Oh well, it will have to be done once I start my chise! Thanks!

We will have all trades up to date with rosters corrected by importing over "extra" players from the trade. There will also be extras from most organizations in the FA pool

Getting pretty anxious about these now. Don't wanna be that guy asking for a release date because I understand the crazy amount of time it takes, especially with this amount of detail, so as politely as I can ask... Is there any info on what needs done yet or how far along you guys are?

Sorry guys, I have had an extremely busy and haven't been able to help much this week which I am sure has put things behind. I am going to try to help more this week

[teeds]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

His stealing and speed were there as well. I assume whoever's roster I downloaded was mad about something lol.

Whenever I seen him as an 84 overall, I knew something was off and those are the three primary changes I seen to him.

No one was mad, that's not how we do things. The numbers we got from zips and put through knights position player chart dictated those original numbers. McCutchen has been fantastically successful stealing bases this season 17 for 18, which blows his career norm out of the water. He's still only on pace for 28 attempts though. He hasn't finished a season with less than 10 CS since 2009 and is usually good for around 35 attempts on average. So what do we do? Take into account his entire career or focus solely on this season? Obviously, we pay attention to ratings and oddities and adjust where necessary. We try to justify everything. It takes a while to sort everything out to see where ratings are off. No one is rated on an emotional whim. In fact, we have a saying: "don't rate a guy if you're irritable today"

[WaitTilNextYear]

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??? 45 br ability is absurd for mccutchen

His stealing and speed were there as well. I assume whoever's roster I downloaded was mad about something lol.

Whenever I seen him as an 84 overall, I knew something was off and those are the three primary changes I seen to him.

It might be better to think of it as McCutchen will be the 3rd best OF (according to OVR) in the upcoming release. He's behind Trout and Carlos Gomez. If you really want to put stock into OVR.

You said Cutch had a 45 speed??????? You sure? lol. I've never seen anything like that.

Cutch will be getting a boost to a few attributes, but nothing earth shattering. He is fast but has historically been a below average base stealer from a % standpoint (with most years in the 50-60% range). He's picked it up this year going 17 for 18, which is very good and warrants an increase. But, for a guy with his speed and talent, he's certainly a disappointing base stealer though. He should get with Rickey Henderson on how to read pitchers and get a better jump.

Nobody was mad about anything, but if we took every fan's advice on boosting up their team's star players, it would result in a much worse product. If you really disagree on a player, it's easy enough to edit him how you want him.

That's my point! We can't just release a player though outside of franchise mode. We're allowed to do this only in franchise mode in which I haven't started yet. Trying to get all of these moves right but not being able to with the roster restrictions. Oh well, it will have to be done once I start my chise! Thanks!

That's why you need extras in the FA pool. If you import CAPs and have a couple of extras (think 91st and 92nd man types) in the FA pool, you can use them to balance things out. This can be done outside of franchise mode. The hard part is creating a deep pool of CAPs and org. depth guys like teeds has done for this roster. Once you've got the CAPs, it's easy enough to import them over retired players and start playing musical rosters.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

Getting pretty anxious about these now. Don't wanna be that guy asking for a release date because I understand the crazy amount of time it takes, especially with this amount of detail, so as politely as I can ask... Is there any info on what needs done yet or how far along you guys are?

No ETA, sorry. Hopefully soon. We're not doing the whole ETA game with people in here, lol. Apologies for not being more transparent. Part of the issue is that several people are working and you can't really put deadlines on when others get through the needed edits. It would be easier to ETA with one guy working on it, but there's no chance one guy could do all that needs to be done (and live to tell about it).

[bigbob]

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I never said I used this roster whenever I was asking about the overall/attributes. I would have said "When I downloaded this roster", which I did not.

No **** if you took a fans opinion (which what I was asking about was not an opinion, it was a fact that someone on a roster took McCutchen's stats and intentionally butchered them. Justify McCutchen having 45 base running, stealing and speed) every team would be a 99 overall.

That's why I say whenever I'm creating rosters, which has been for the OS Community for 5 years now, I tell people that their opinion is just that, an opinion, and that it's something that we'll look into if it needs looked into.

I simply asked for an overall of a single player to compare him to another roster I downloaded, which I stated previously.
Whenever a top five player at his position, which is a fact, is rated as one of the worst starters at his position, it makes me question the entire roster.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I never said I used this roster whenever I was asking about the overall/attributes. I would have said "When I downloaded this roster", which I did not.

Hey man, I don't think anyone accused you of anything re: dogging on or specifying a roster set at all. I was most curious to there being any roster set in existence that would have Cutch with a 45 speed like you mentioned. I can't say I've seen that before.

You basically asked about Cutch, someone said not to worry about OVR (which is good advice), but then you said you weren't worried about OVR, but that you actually were worried about OVR because that indicates certain attributes you disagree with on Cutch. Then, basically a debate broke out over what Cutch's ratings should really be. The pre-2014 McCutchen was a fairly poor base stealer that stole pretty often (so one could justify a high BR AGG than the 40s that you mentioned). But 2014 Cutch is stealing less, but is having a success rate that he's never had before (so one could justify a higher STEAL attribute than the 40s that you mentioned). The difficult part is the weighting. You never want to over-weight a smaller sample, but at the same time, you don't want to turn a blind eye to a possible change in skill. The truth, imo, is somewhere in the middle. But as teeds mentioned, you don't have to worry about us hating certain players/teams etc...all ratings are based on actual data. But we can't possibly please every fan base and many fans are very biased to their own players in general (not saying you, but generally speaking).

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

No **** if you took a fans opinion (which what I was asking about was not an opinion, it was a fact that someone on a roster took McCutchen's stats and intentionally butchered them. Justify McCutchen having 45 base running, stealing and speed) every team would be a 99 overall.

That's why I say whenever I'm creating rosters, which has been for the OS Community for 5 years now, I tell people that their opinion is just that, an opinion, and that it's something that we'll look into if it needs looked into.

I simply asked for an overall of a single player to compare him to another roster I downloaded, which I stated previously.
Whenever a top five player at his position, which is a fact, is rated as one of the worst starters at his position, it makes me question the entire roster.

That's fine. I agree with a decent amount of this. But, just as we aren't getting into the 'ETA game', we are also not giving out specific answers to ratings and showing CAPs/pictures, because that encourages others to ask those same questions and expect answers. This can get annoying when you are trying to work on a roster and the buildup drowns out the actual work we are trying to do. So far, I am happy with how low-key this process has been. Cutch being a Top 3 CF in this set hopefully is specific enough for you and can put your mind at ease.

[Willard76]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

Just a note guys on even rating a specific player at his position - yes McCutchen brings almost everything to the table so he would be right up there in the CF dept - but I will use the same example of a guy who has a terrible overall because of 2 things he doesn't do a well which is weighted high for CF - and not as a Blue Jays fan but as a baseball fan - Colby Rasmus who is rated in the 70's overall because he doesn't run a lot and also doesn't hit well for average - both attributes which are weighted higher in the CF scale then other attributes such as power

[tonybologna]

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Yes u can u have to swap them with a free agent.

That's not releasing a player from a roster bud. That's forcing a swap. Just like needing to trade a player one for one. Do you not get what I'm saying? Players are flat out released from rosters in MLB regularly. They don't have to swap with any free agent. Please try & understand what I'm saying. Thanks!

[Mizzou24]

2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

That's not releasing a player from a roster bud. That's forcing a swap. Just like needing to trade a player one for one. Do you not get what I'm saying? Players are flat out released from rosters in MLB regularly. They don't have to swap with any free agent. Please try & understand what I'm saying. Thanks!

Then release the player with another player from the team then bud.. I apparently know what I'm talking about since I have a full roster of these transactions done..


Trust me they do have a replacement..

[Willard76]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

That's not releasing a player from a roster bud. That's forcing a swap. Just like needing to trade a player one for one. Do you not get what I'm saying? Players are flat out released from rosters in MLB regularly. They don't have to swap with any free agent. Please try & understand what I'm saying. Thanks!

Are you trying to update the previous roster or concerned about making moves with the upcoming one, because that will be 100% up to date and you won't need to make a trade or move players unless you need to do so for your own personal use. Unfortunately debating or getting upset about parameters placed on the game on this thread isn't going to help or fix the situation.

[tonybologna]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

Are you trying to update the previous roster or concerned about making moves with the upcoming one, because that will be 100% up to date and you won't need to make a trade or move players unless you need to do so for your own personal use. Unfortunately debating or getting upset about parameters placed on the game on this thread isn't going to help or fix the situation.

This was my initial post about this: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...8&postcount=47

I was trying to update Hybrid v2a on my own. Like listed from the post, I already have added all 1st round & some 2nd round 2014 draft picks. That's why I didn't want to wait on the next update from you guys. I would have to go back & redo those draft picks because most of those want be in the next update.

Willard, I'm not upset at anybody here & you're right. My beefs about the roster restrictions shouldn't be addressed in this thread. I'll just let that go now in this thread. Thanks!

[Mizzou24]

Re: 2014 OSFM HYBRID UPDATE - V3

This was my initial post about this: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...8&postcount=47

I was trying to update Hybrid v2a on my own. Like listed from the post, I already have added all 1st round & some 2nd round 2014 draft picks. That's why I didn't want to wait on the next update from you guys. I would have to go back & redo those draft picks because most of those want be in the next update.

Willard, I'm not upset at anybody here & you're right. My beefs about the roster restrictions shouldn't be addressed in this thread. I'll just let that go now in this thread. Thanks!

While I agree we all have tried to help u.. If u have a free agent that u can add to that team that belongs to the team u can simply swap them out.. A 2 for 1 trade u just have to use a random free agent etc etc.. It sucks.. But it is workable.. It is just a real annoying process.. And I 100% agree it should be more user friendly.