JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

[tc020791]

JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Josh,

I remember at one point you mentioning to me that you thought the CPU was throwing too many meatballs. I am now seeing this as well. Over my last 10 games or so I’m averaging close to 5 HR a game. Your initial thought was to raise CPU Pitch Accuracy to 6 but I believe this will mess with the “maximizing of ratings” that we’re going for. Rather, I think the solution may be CPU Strike Frequency. This slider has nothing to do with the actual play of the CPU pitcher. It just makes them decide to nibble a bit more, throw less meatballls on 2-1, 2-0 counts. Pretty much they pitch much more carefully. This also keeps you on your toes even more because you cant just sit dead red fastball down the middle and expect to get one every at bat like before. Now I have a very small sample size with this so I don’t want to jump to any conclusions, but it’s very promising. I’m also still seeing plenty of first pitch strikes as well as 1-2 pitches in the zone, if that’s something you were wondering about. I will be streaming all night with these changes if anyone wants to check them out.

https://www.twitch.tv/tc020791

[tc020791]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

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Will be streaming all day and night. Exhibition games with these exact "sliders" if you want to call them that haha. I personally hav



Hey are you doing a franchise? And what do you think about the hitting? I think it's too easy so I imported Josh's sliders from 19. Still seems to easy.

Read my post above. Also up your pitch speeds to Fastball 7 and Off Speed 6. Hope this helps.

https://www.twitch.tv/tc020791

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Josh,

I remember at one point you mentioning to me that you thought the CPU was throwing too many meatballs. I am now seeing this as well. Over my last 10 games or so I’m averaging close to 5 HR a game. Your initial thought was to raise CPU Pitch Accuracy to 6 but I believe this will mess with the “maximizing of ratings” that we’re going for. Rather, I think the solution may be CPU Strike Frequency. This slider has nothing to do with the actual play of the CPU pitcher. It just makes them decide to nibble a bit more, throw less meatballls on 2-1, 2-0 counts. Pretty much they pitch much more carefully. This also keeps you on your toes even more because you cant just sit dead red fastball down the middle and expect to get one every at bat like before. Now I have a very small sample size with this so I don’t want to jump to any conclusions, but it’s very promising. I’m also still seeing plenty of first pitch strikes as well as 1-2 pitches in the zone, if that’s something you were wondering about. I will be streaming all night with these changes if anyone wants to check them out.


https://www.twitch.tv/tc020791

I'll be honest, I made a mistake changing anything in the first place. I'm rectifying that now...I'm sticking with getting a good sample size (80-100 games) before changing anything unless I see some major trends after about 40.

[tc020791]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

I hear you for sure. I’ve been playing this game non stop for the last week. I feel like I’m finally getting a decent sample. Probably close to 250 innings on default all star. Everything feels good except for how much the CPU is pounding the strike zone. I’m not walking very much as well as ripping the cover off the ball. First game with CPU Strike Freq. at 4 was a 5-4 L. I still hit 3 HR but my hit variety was so much better. I wasn’t just crushing the ball all over the park. Also I’ve tried default HOF and it’s not for me. Will report back when I have another 250 innings with strike frequency at 4.

[GoBlue81188]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

I'll be honest, I made a mistake changing anything in the first place. I'm rectifying that now...I'm sticking with getting a good sample size (80-100 games) before changing anything unless I see some major trends after about 40.

I’m rolling total default for at least 25 games on my Bacon Fictional Chise’. Will report back. I took your advice on altering my approach to hitting, and through a mere 2 games I’m absolutely pounding the ball.

Of course a patch dropped today, so let’s see!

Game is absolute butter though!

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

So...Brian from SCEA (a developer) has been interacting with us in the 1.04 patch thread.

In regards to "meatballs"....

The CPU isn't trying to hang pitches, but they miss. When I looked at this, the CPU location is pretty continuous. What I mean by that is for example:

https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/heatmaps/

Occasionally Rivera is trying to throw down the middle, but more often he's working one side and it happens to miss and land there. However, down the middle is no more frequent than the sides. I've looked at different settings and modes and the CPU appears the same. But I can't speak to your individual experience.

You can use the pitch control slider to adjust this. If you're getting a lot of success against these pitches, it's also going to be in part to your skill - either difficulty setting or how well you react against pitches down the middle. A lot of people actually struggle on a pitch down the middle because they're expecting the worse, but your 'optimistic' approach (assuming you're successful) is better.

Now, this is consistent with our approach from last year (increasing the CPU Pitch Control) as I feel a fair bit of this is what people are seeing.

TC's thought of lowering strike frequency may also be viable. However, in my past experience, this DOES alter their approach to pitching to the user. It is possible that a combo of a decrease in Strike Frequency to 4 and increase in CPU Pitch Control to 6 would maximize the desired outcome.

However, for the time being, I'm going to continue collecting data on my end.

[tc020791]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

So...Brian from SCEA (a developer) has been interacting with us in the 1.04 patch thread.



In regards to "meatballs"....







Now, this is consistent with our approach from last year (increasing the CPU Pitch Control) as I feel a fair bit of this is what people are seeing.



TC's thought of lowering strike frequency may also be viable. However, in my past experience, this DOES alter their approach to pitching to the user. It is possible that a combo of a decrease in Strike Frequency to 4 and increase in CPU Pitch Control to 6 would maximize the desired outcome.



However, for the time being, I'm going to continue collecting data on my end.

After reading everything Brian said, and due to the new pitch speed increases, I’m going back to pure AS default. I’m just adjusting pitch speeds. It sounds like we’re just timing this up too perfectly, too often. I feel like I shouldn’t be right on every single 93mph FB. That should probably be more like the 89-90mph ones. And if something is 95+ I should be lucky to get out in front of it, let alone hit it perfectly 7/10 times. I’m going to crank up these new pitch speeds and see where that gets me.

[Rmiok222]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

After reading everything Brian said, and due to the new pitch speed increases, I’m going back to pure AS default. I’m just adjusting pitch speeds. It sounds like we’re just timing this up too perfectly, too often. I feel like I shouldn’t be right on every single 93mph FB. That should probably be more like the 89-90mph ones. And if something is 95+ I should be lucky to get out in front of it, let alone hit it perfectly 7/10 times. I’m going to crank up these new pitch speeds and see where that gets me.

Just a suggestion to people obviously, but I’ve reduced timing to 3 on HOF default. It helps a bit.


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[tc020791]

JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Trying not to touch anything that will actually effect what the game engine is doing. By amping up the pitch speeds, in a way, you actually are lowering timing. In other words, we’re looking for the same result, just doing different things to get it. I can say with the new pitch speeds, I was struggling big time at 10/9 against Cole who throws 96-98. That wasn’t happening before this small patch.

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Trying not to touch anything that will actually effect what the game engine is doing. By amping up the pitch speeds, in a way, you actually are lowering timing. In other words were looking for the same result just by doing different things. I can say with the new pitch speeds at 10/9 I was struggling big time against Cole who throws 96-98. That wasn’t happening before this small patch.

Honestly...I think pitch speed is SUCH a huge piece of the puzzle here.

Now, speaking for myself...I don't love super fast speeds as they tend to be (for me) too reflex-driven vs skill-driven. Moderately fast pitch speeds make me happier because I have to time my button press vs "push as fast as ya' can" (I'm old...lol).

[bravesfan1984]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Honestly...I think pitch speed is SUCH a huge piece of the puzzle here.

Now, speaking for myself...I don't love super fast speeds as they tend to be (for me) too reflex-driven vs skill-driven. Moderately fast pitch speeds make me happier because I have to time my button press vs "push as fast as ya' can" (I'm old...lol).

Dude, I'm rocking pitch speeds between 2 and 3 lol. I can't deal with default or higher.

[Genesio1]

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Hey Josh,
Great set once again. I have a quick question about camera when it comes to hitting. Is it better to pick a camera where you have more difficulty. I switched over from retro to stroke zone 3 and Gurriel for the blue jays and Travis Shaw both hit two homers in one game. The game before that Gurriel hit another two and have collected 11 RBIs over that time as well. It was Boston’s 3rd and 4th rotation pitchers though so I’m just wondering if it’s more of a thing about them an the relievers rather than me just feeling like I’m mashing without trying. Hopefully that makes sense. Love the visuals and the set up was a breeze with your instructions once again. Thanks for any advice you can pass on.

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Hey Josh,
Great set once again. I have a quick question about camera when it comes to hitting. Is it better to pick a camera where you have more difficulty. I switched over from retro to stroke zone 3 and Gurriel for the blue jays and Travis Shaw both hit two homers in one game. The game before that Gurriel hit another two and have collected 11 RBIs over that time as well. It was Boston’s 3rd and 4th rotation pitchers though so I’m just wondering if it’s more of a thing about them an the relievers rather than me just feeling like I’m mashing without trying. Hopefully that makes sense. Love the visuals and the set up was a breeze with your instructions once again. Thanks for any advice you can pass on.

I personally call Strike Zone cams "online cheese cams". They'll definitely help you pick up pitches easier.

That said....only a couple of games vs weaker pitchers....keep going....see how it balances out for ya. If it still seems easy after you build sample size, I'd advise trying a different angle before worrying about other stuff.

[Genesio1]

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Thanks for your honesty. I got that feeling like I was cheating after switching over bottom of the fifth of game 2. It just got bananas crazy I’ll go back to retro and give that another whirl. Fish eye is just too fast for my eyes. ����*♂️
Sorry about the curse.... meant no harm

I personally call Strike Zone cams "online cheese cams". They'll definitely help you pick up pitches easier.

That said....only a couple of games vs weaker pitchers....keep going....see how it balances out for ya. If it still seems easy after you build sample size, I'd advise trying a different angle before worrying about other stuff.

[nharemza79]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Game is broke, combined 6 home runs a game with Pitch Control at 6. Going back to 19 until they can get to patch 1.99 just like last year. Won't be buying 21 until mid summer.