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  • Teleo
    MVP
    • Nov 2013
    • 2302

    #31
    Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

    Originally posted by JoshC1977
    Rosters....

    I don't usually touch the various custom Full Minors rosters - they all seem to suffer the same flaw; not enough D/F potential guys (which accelerates issues with regression/progression/budget issues/guys retiring too early). I tested out SDS' launch day roster, and it wasn't bad - it was pretty stable for about 6-7 years (I suspect years 7-14 or so will be the worst...and then once the real players get purged, things would begin to re-balance - same thing we see in Madden franchise). Now, in past years, all the various Full Minors rosters had way too few D potential guys (on the scale of 1/5th to 1/10th the number from the SDS rosters). What that does is cause the mode to be de-stabilized after year 1 (maybe year 2 if you are lucky)...easiest way to tell is the highest overall rating of the unsigned free agents after an offseason. You start seeing 2-3 (or more) guys above an 80 OVR left unsigned, you have a problem....exceptions here being players of advanced age. I've said this in other threads, but this is not a knock on these custom rosters, but it's rather a byproduct of them trying to meet the demands of people who want every "prospect" jammed into a 90 man roster (and frankly, the vast majority of guys in AAA/AA are NOT prospects anyways). One other thing, I would NOT advise people start a new franchise with a mid-season roster update (even one from SDS) - you'll run into the same issues as roster updates tend to inflate far more players than they drop down.

    So what do I recommend?

    Current Season
    - Use the SDS launch day roster. Note: I have uploaded an altered version of this to the vault under my username JoshC1977. The only thing I changed were a handful of primary player positions (mostly in the deep minors) so that teams met their roster minimums for each position. This will quell the crazy number of early season trades people experienced.
    - Wait for SDS to issue a significant update to the roster. No ETA here.
    - I know Ridin's team will be posting their roster in the next week or so. Based on past rosters (and the issues I note above), I can't blindly endorse it. But, I will be assessing it when it launches (quick and dirty method...if you sort by potentials from F to A...the first two pages of players for each team should be all Ds and Fs).

    Fictional
    Only one option here IMO, and that is Bacon's roster. Extremely well-done and usually as franchise-stable as they come....definitely on par with SDS' roster.

    Historic
    Very few historic rosters are full minors. The 1987 roster is a classic one though...and it has gotten better every year.


    Edit: I never answered the question I'm running a carryover from '19 started with an SDS roster. I'll also being using Bacon's roster and maybe the 1987 roster for separate chises.
    Josh - the explicit detail that provide in your responses are first class - I really appreciate the effort you provide from Madden to the Show - I must admit - I have purchased every installment from 17-20 but have played it - wish I would have played 19 now due to the the carryover - but better late than never - I am excited to see all the Show has to offer because I am basically a newbie - Madden & 2K has been my video games for the past years - so I’m really looking forward to this!

    I do have a question: in regards to roster abbreviations: what does SDS mean?

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    • JoshC1977
      All Star
      • Dec 2010
      • 11564

      #32
      Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

      Originally posted by Teleo
      Josh - the explicit detail that provide in your responses are first class - I really appreciate the effort you provide from Madden to the Show
      My pleasure man. I am super passionate about these two games and I love to be able to share some of that to others. I'm also "wired" in a way that I like to help people understand WHY I answer things the way I do. If I don't, then there is no way for people to know if they agree with me or not.

      For example, someone might say, "Well, I only typically play 1 season in a franchise...so Josh's concerns about what happens 5 or 6 years into the mode won't affect me and I should have more free reign for picking a roster - even IF player potentials are a bit wonky" (which btw, is a 100% true statement).

      Originally posted by Teleo
      I am excited to see all the Show has to offer because I am basically a newbie - Madden & 2K has been my video games for the past years - so I’m really looking forward to this!
      Dude...I'm excited for you. If you play franchise mode, there is a handbook in one of the menus (don't remember which one - maybe the transactions menu?) that explains all of the different aspects of roster management. It is buried, but it is EXCELLENT! Definitely read/refer to it (I still do at times).

      One other piece of advice, explore all the modes. Diamond Dynasty is a terrific card collecting mode; Road to the Show is apparently an outstanding Player Career mode (not my cup of tea); and even some of the other side modes (like March to October) are pretty neat.

      Also....and this goes for others. Feel free to ask questions.

      Originally posted by Teleo
      I do have a question: in regards to roster abbreviations: what does SDS mean?
      SDS is the old monniker for the Sony San Diego team that makes the game....just referring to the in-game rosters
      Play the games you love, not the games you want to love.

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      • gman2774
        MVP
        • Mar 2004
        • 1067

        #33
        Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

        Originally posted by JoshC1977
        Rosters....

        I don't usually touch the various custom Full Minors rosters - they all seem to suffer the same flaw; not enough D/F potential guys (which accelerates issues with regression/progression/budget issues/guys retiring too early). I tested out SDS' launch day roster, and it wasn't bad - it was pretty stable for about 6-7 years (I suspect years 7-14 or so will be the worst...and then once the real players get purged, things would begin to re-balance - same thing we see in Madden franchise). Now, in past years, all the various Full Minors rosters had way too few D potential guys (on the scale of 1/5th to 1/10th the number from the SDS rosters). What that does is cause the mode to be de-stabilized after year 1 (maybe year 2 if you are lucky)...easiest way to tell is the highest overall rating of the unsigned free agents after an offseason. You start seeing 2-3 (or more) guys above an 80 OVR left unsigned, you have a problem....exceptions here being players of advanced age. I've said this in other threads, but this is not a knock on these custom rosters, but it's rather a byproduct of them trying to meet the demands of people who want every "prospect" jammed into a 90 man roster (and frankly, the vast majority of guys in AAA/AA are NOT prospects anyways). One other thing, I would NOT advise people start a new franchise with a mid-season roster update (even one from SDS) - you'll run into the same issues as roster updates tend to inflate far more players than they drop down.

        So what do I recommend?

        Current Season
        - Use the SDS launch day roster. Note: I have uploaded an altered version of this to the vault under my username JoshC1977. The only thing I changed were a handful of primary player positions (mostly in the deep minors) so that teams met their roster minimums for each position. This will quell the crazy number of early season trades people experienced.
        - Wait for SDS to issue a significant update to the roster. No ETA here.
        - I know Ridin's team will be posting their roster in the next week or so. Based on past rosters (and the issues I note above), I can't blindly endorse it. But, I will be assessing it when it launches (quick and dirty method...if you sort by potentials from F to A...the first two pages of players for each team should be all Ds and Fs).

        Fictional
        Only one option here IMO, and that is Bacon's roster. Extremely well-done and usually as franchise-stable as they come....definitely on par with SDS' roster.

        Historic
        Very few historic rosters are full minors. The 1987 roster is a classic one though...and it has gotten better every year.


        Edit: I never answered the question I'm running a carryover from '19 started with an SDS roster. I'll also being using Bacon's roster and maybe the 1987 roster for separate chises.


        Hey Josh. Thanks for sharing your roster. I’ve been wanting to start my franchise for 2020 but have been confused where I should start from a roster perspective. I usually start a franchise each year and try to play every game the entire season. But I may pursue offseason, sim some, etc. Question. Did you add any missing MLB players in your roster (e.g. Lux)?


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        • JoshC1977
          All Star
          • Dec 2010
          • 11564

          #34
          Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

          Originally posted by gman2774
          Hey Josh. Thanks for sharing your roster. I’ve been wanting to start my franchise for 2020 but have been confused where I should start from a roster perspective. I usually start a franchise each year and try to play every game the entire season. But I may pursue offseason, sim some, etc. Question. Did you add any missing MLB players in your roster (e.g. Lux)?


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          No, I just moved a few guys to different primary positions.
          Play the games you love, not the games you want to love.

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          • No.27
            Pro
            • Dec 2015
            • 543

            #35
            Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

            Great Roster suggestions! Seeing we might dwell on this in a Slider thread for a minute. I’ll chime in and say Bacon has taken his 20 Roster in terms of being Franchise ready to another level. Everything works eg contracts, options, lots of new D potentials and you even get to start with the morale system in order. The 87 will always be close to my heart after Ron Kittle hit for the cycle for me and is a excellent choice. Back to the sliders although this year is looking a little too easy.....

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            • Teleo
              MVP
              • Nov 2013
              • 2302

              #36
              Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

              Originally posted by JoshC1977
              My pleasure man. I am super passionate about these two games and I love to be able to share some of that to others. I'm also "wired" in a way that I like to help people understand WHY I answer things the way I do. If I don't, then there is no way for people to know if they agree with me or not.

              For example, someone might say, "Well, I only typically play 1 season in a franchise...so Josh's concerns about what happens 5 or 6 years into the mode won't affect me and I should have more free reign for picking a roster - even IF player potentials are a bit wonky" (which btw, is a 100% true statement).



              Dude...I'm excited for you. If you play franchise mode, there is a handbook in one of the menus (don't remember which one - maybe the transactions menu?) that explains all of the different aspects of roster management. It is buried, but it is EXCELLENT! Definitely read/refer to it (I still do at times).

              One other piece of advice, explore all the modes. Diamond Dynasty is a terrific card collecting mode; Road to the Show is apparently an outstanding Player Career mode (not my cup of tea); and even some of the other side modes (like March to October) are pretty neat.

              Also....and this goes for others. Feel free to ask questions.



              SDS is the old monniker for the Sony San Diego team that makes the game....just referring to the in-game rosters
              Thank you once again Josh - yes - I’m going to use my Yankees in franchise mode & I’m excited! I saw the twitch stream that Armor did the other day about how to set up a 30 team control and watched as he navigated over the handbook. There is such incredible detail to the Show! Really excited to dive into it - I’m going to check out your roster that you uploaded to the vault - thank you once again for all you do! I’ll keep you updated on my progress with the Yankees - FYI - Eric Davis was one of my favorite players back in the day #44

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              • JoshC1977
                All Star
                • Dec 2010
                • 11564

                #37
                Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                Originally posted by No.27
                Great Roster suggestions! Seeing we might dwell on this in a Slider thread for a minute. I’ll chime in and say Bacon has taken his 20 Roster in terms of being Franchise ready to another level. Everything works eg contracts, options, lots of new D potentials and you even get to start with the morale system in order. The 87 will always be close to my heart after Ron Kittle hit for the cycle for me and is a excellent choice. Back to the sliders although this year is looking a little too easy.....
                Yeah...I mean, fictional rosters aren't for everyone, but they are such a labor of love and it just oozes....

                Your last sentence...too easy? You mean too easy to hone in on or the game is too easy? (I'd agree with the former...not the latter)
                Play the games you love, not the games you want to love.

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                • tc020791
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 2012

                  #38
                  Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                  Josh, how has the CPUs BABIP been for you? Last two games for me have been at .158 and .190. Hoping this is just a fluke. Game before that was .278. It’s the only 3 games that I’ve tracked so far. Interested to hear what you’ve been seeing.

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                  • JoshC1977
                    All Star
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 11564

                    #39
                    Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                    Originally posted by tc020791
                    Josh, how has the CPUs BABIP been for you? Last two games for me have been at .158 and .190. Hoping this is just a fluke. Game before that was .278. It’s the only 3 games that I’ve tracked so far. Interested to hear what you’ve been seeing.
                    No idea man, I've been playing a lot of other modes and setting up my fictional franchise. I've only gotten-in 2 games with my Reds chise, the rest of what I played were in a test franchise that I wiped out.

                    FWIW, BABIP takes a LONG time to stabilize. On a per-player basis, it take multiple SEASONS worth of data (it is THAT volatile)....for a whole team, you're likely looking a half a season.
                    Play the games you love, not the games you want to love.

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                    • rhouserjr0614
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 492

                      #40
                      Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                      Going to try these out. I typically use dynamic but I think maybe give a whirl starting at all star. Any thoughts?


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                      • JoshC1977
                        All Star
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 11564

                        #41
                        Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                        Originally posted by rhouserjr0614
                        Going to try these out. I typically use dynamic but I think maybe give a whirl starting at all star. Any thoughts?


                        Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
                        Personal opinion; dynamic isn't really viable long-term - it's great for figuring out where you stand. But, it doesn't let streaks hold out long enough to allow for the fun storylines to develop (IMO).

                        I'm using dynamic on MtO right now....and I keep bouncing around All Star for pitching and All Star Plus for hitting (but it is with default pitch speeds...which is too slow for me). That tells me that AS is kinda my sweet spot.

                        Now, if you DO go dynamic, then I'd suggest lowering the sensitivity to 1....let it really stretch out.
                        Play the games you love, not the games you want to love.

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                        • No.27
                          Pro
                          • Dec 2015
                          • 543

                          #42
                          Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                          Originally posted by JoshC1977
                          Yeah...I mean, fictional rosters aren't for everyone, but they are such a labor of love and it just oozes....

                          Your last sentence...too easy? You mean too easy to hone in on or the game is too easy? (I'd agree with the former...not the latter)
                          Apologies for the miscommunication. I post my replies down here in Australia over breakfast and I’m pretty foggy in the morning. Too easy to hone in! I usually agonise over sliders way longer than this. Perfectly balanced for me at Default All Star as were your Sliders last year. Day 2 and I’ve got a Roster and Sliders sorted. Cheers
                          Last edited by No.27; 03-18-2020, 02:21 AM.

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                          • rhouserjr0614
                            Rookie
                            • Jan 2017
                            • 492

                            #43
                            Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                            Originally posted by JoshC1977
                            Personal opinion; dynamic isn't really viable long-term - it's great for figuring out where you stand. But, it doesn't let streaks hold out long enough to allow for the fun storylines to develop (IMO).



                            I'm using dynamic on MtO right now....and I keep bouncing around All Star for pitching and All Star Plus for hitting (but it is with default pitch speeds...which is too slow for me). That tells me that AS is kinda my sweet spot.



                            Now, if you DO go dynamic, then I'd suggest lowering the sensitivity to 1....let it really stretch out.


                            Thanks for the input. Was going to start right now but dumb server maintenance on going, but thanks for the direction! Can’t wait to try these out!


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                            • tc020791
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 2012

                              #44
                              JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                              Will be streaming all day and night. Exhibition games with these “sliders" if you want to call them that haha. I personally have my Fastball Speed at 7 and Off Speed at 6. I also put CPU Strike Freq. down to 4. Come stop by and say hi.





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                              Last edited by tc020791; 03-18-2020, 07:42 PM.

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                              • sawyer02
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2020
                                • 33

                                #45
                                Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

                                [QUOTE=tc020791;2050052038]Will be streaming all day and night. Exhibition games with these exact "sliders" if you want to call them that haha. I personally hav

                                Hey are you doing a franchise? And what do you think about the hitting? I think it's too easy so I imported Josh's sliders from 19. Still seems to easy.

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