JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

[tyler28]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Josh, I have been using meter lately because it feels like I can strike out hitters and I’m still giving up walks. But I feel bad using it because it isn’t purely ratings based. Because with meter you can miss your release point and hang a slider. But wouldn’t that be the same for classic? Since you get different results depending on how long you hold the button? If you hold it too long it can affect the pitch as well. I’m debating on going back to classic pitching.

Ive been using meter for many years. This year i ran into problems with it. I would see a bug every few games where i couldnt stop it. There seemed to be a delay. Im not sure if anyone else had that issue but i reported it. It was highly frustrating.

Anyway, i switched to classic and i am starting to love it. Im striking out way more batters and pitching in general is way better. I think playing meter helps with the timing on the pitch. Im pretty deadly with it even with vibration off. Give it a go. I endorse it after years of playing on meter i probably wont go back.

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[GrantF330]

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Step 1. Breathe!! Step 2. Go back to default everything. Step 3, find a camera YOU like (don't listen to what anyone else tells you is better). Step 4. Go to dynamic difficulty and see where you land difficulty wise. Step 5. Practice, practice, practice.

Finally. NOBODY in the forums here can help you become more patient. There is no magic elixir that will make you more patient. You HAVE to learn that on your own. The bad news is that you suck at the game. The good news is that you can get better. But until you can get the core fundamentals down, spinning your wheels trying everyone ELSE'S approach to the game is just going to exacerbate your problems.[/QUOTE]


Thanks Josh... I guess here is my question might be dumb but I want to be sure I’m hearing you right. When you say go back to default do you mean as the game out of the box??????? Or do you mean back to your settings as is with out messing with them?

[JoshC1977]

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Thanks Josh... I guess here is my question might be dumb but I want to be sure I’m hearing you right. When you say go back to default do you mean as the game out of the box??????? Or do you mean back to your settings as is with out messing with them?

I mean 5 for every single slider value. You shouldn't be touching a single slider until you improve your discipline tremendously. The game is favorable to offense at default settings; that is your best case scenario.

[Genesio1]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Morning Josh,

Quick question about Bacons roster cpu and me and walls. First while using Bacons roster I notice checking cpu stats that the pitchers are just awesome. But through 4 or 5 starts each I have over 18 to 20 guys in the national league alone sporting less than 1.50 eras. Not sure if anyone else seeing this so far. Just curious. An the next thing it has become really really difficult to take a walk. Sometimes it seems I’m swinging for no reason for sure. Usually on a 3-0 count with a slugger I suppose. But it’s like the pitchers are always coming at me regardless of whose up. So it’s like I’m forced to swing. Now I was reading a couple days ago where you talked about testing some changes. What that have to do with what I’m talking about here? Thanks for your reply in advance. I’m working tonight essential worker and all so I won’t have the opportunity to get a game in for the next day or so but just wondering if the update could of screwed with something or perhaps it could be the fact that Bacons roster is just that awesome!

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Morning Josh,

Quick question about Bacons roster cpu and me and walls. First while using Bacons roster I notice checking cpu stats that the pitchers are just awesome. But through 4 or 5 starts each I have over 18 to 20 guys in the national league alone sporting less than 1.50 eras. Not sure if anyone else seeing this so far. Just curious.

No idea about the sim stats....I honestly don't pay that much attention to them. But I'm quite sure many of them will regress to the mean over time.

Just remember: this is a brand new league. It may have a totally different league dynamic than real life - which is what makes it fun. There are some insanely good pitchers in this roster and it honestly hearkens back to the golden days of the 1980s/1990s.

Morning Josh,
An the next thing it has become really really difficult to take a walk. Sometimes it seems I’m swinging for no reason for sure. Usually on a 3-0 count with a slugger I suppose. But it’s like the pitchers are always coming at me regardless of whose up. So it’s like I’m forced to swing. Now I was reading a couple days ago where you talked about testing some changes. What that have to do with what I’m talking about here? Thanks for your reply in advance.

I'm having no issues taking walks...in fact, I'm actually in the middle of the pack in a limited sample size so far (which is a stark improvement to being dead last most of the time). Remember, with the pitch control at 6, they are going to paint a lot more. You HAVE to lay off stuff or they will just keep dotting the corners of the plate.

On another unrelated note: my pitching staff (again, limited sample size) is ALSO middle of the pack in walks (and Ks) issued (the usual theme of giving up the fewest walks not holding here). Now, I have two STUD SPs who are putting up pristine stat lines...and 3 SPs (who have horrible BB/9 ratings) that have struggled immensely (especially with walks allowed).

[GoBlue81188]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Game is off the charts excellent right now.

Not to clutter the minds, but IF you are finding a bit too much success with AS pitching, AS+ is a nice remedy to not fiddling with sliders.

I made the jump ~10 games ago, coupled with realizing vibration should be OFF, and it's been glorious.

Stay out of the main forum, I just wandered in a few threads out of boredom, and its a mess. I'm playing a different game than most posters it seems, because I can't imagine a better sim experience than where we currently are at with MLBTS 2020.

If you expect to plug in a set, and see EXACTLY what you're looking for in 1-3 games, you might as well move on. Baseball is 162 games, there is WILD variance.

If you're interested in variety and stats normalizing over the course of the season, you cannot go wrong with the set Josh has cooked up here. It's simply that good.

I am so engrossed in Bacon's roster, I haven't even landed on who my "real team" franchise will be.

[Kramer5150]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Hey Josh just a quick question for ya....is All Star difficulty the level for the player rating to be correct?...in other word if like Madden AP is for player ratings....and AM gives the cpu a boost.

I was just wondering if it goes like that in the Show as well, AS player ratings determine the outcome, HOF cpu gets a slight boost, and Legend gets a bigger cpu boost.

I hope I made sense....lol

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Hey Josh just a quick question for ya....is All Star difficulty the level for the player rating to be correct?...in other word if like Madden AP is for player ratings....and AM gives the cpu a boost.

I was just wondering if it goes like that in the Show as well, AS player ratings determine the outcome, HOF cpu gets a slight boost, and Legend gets a bigger cpu boost.

I hope I made sense....lol

Your question makes perfect sense but the answer is going to be ambiguous.

On Madden, there is no disputing that there is a direct ratings boost outside of sliders...you have the WR/DB matchup indicators which clearly change as you go from AP to AM. If that were an under the hood 'slider change' you would see those numbers change if you adjusted sliders on the same difficulty....which does not happen.

On MLB: This is my opinion, but I think that All Star provides the largest possible range of outcomes to occur FOR BOTH SIDES. As you move up in difficulty, at least SOME of the sliders begin to shift (under the hood) to the CPU's favor (whether by reducing user sliders, like contact and timing, and/or CPU sliders, like pitch control - again, under the hood). As you shift one or more sliders (whether externally or under the hood), you begin to shift the range of possible outcomes, relative to the player ratings. We're exploiting the same sort of thing by raising the pitch control sliders, we're raising the floor of control outcomes - reducing the delta of worst-possible and best-possible outcomes.

Is this a "player boost"? Yes and no. As we move up in difficulty, we're reducing the likelihood of a user achieving a particular task. A user's swing timing and PCI placement (remember directional simulates this) on a pitch is less likely to occur on HOF than All Star (due to reduced contact and timing). Meanwhile, the CPU's ability to "hit that spot" on that same pitch is more likely to occur (due to better control). Essentially, the user needs a slightly better player to achieve this while the CPU can get by with a slightly worse player. In one sense, that IS a player boost for the CPU; but is it a direct boost (i.e. CPU pitcher gets a + 5 to BB/9)? I can't answer that.

Here are my "take home" messages:

1. All Star provides the least biased outcomes in favor of either side and it is clear that the game is tuned for All Star (again...this is my "take" based on empirical evidence - not based on any conclusive facts).
2. It is 100% possible to have an outstanding experience on other difficulty levels if your skill level is commiserate with those settings. The major complaints we see throughout the boards (like chaps who "can't strike out anyone on HOF") are due to people not having the skill level commiserate with that difficulty.
3. All Star provides a significantly more challenging experience on pure default settings than in past years; due to an improvement on ratings-to-outcome correlation improvements.

[Kramer5150]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Thanks for your interpretation Josh...it feel to me like the game is tuned at the AS level, but as far as I know there's no evidence of that....as I don't believe the devs have ever mentioned anything.



On another note.....I plugged in your settings (I'm playing 19) was only able to get 1 game in so far, and from how it played it was a real nice change of pace....the game "felt" right if that makes sense...lol There was nothing outrageous that made me scream NO WAY....lmao

I took my Dodgers (using Bacons fictional rosters) into Washington to face the Nats (play now game) and came away with the victory 4-1.

So I'm going to continue using these setting through multiple games, but if things play out the they did, these will be my fictional franchise sliders...nice job

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Thanks for your interpretation Josh...it feel to me like the game is tuned at the AS level, but as far as I know there's no evidence of that....as I don't believe the devs have ever mentioned anything.



On another note.....I plugged in your settings (I'm playing 19) was only able to get 1 game in so far, and from how it played it was a real nice change of pace....the game "felt" right if that makes sense...lol There was nothing outrageous that made me scream NO WAY....lmao

I took my Dodgers (using Bacons fictional rosters) into Washington to face the Nats (play now game) and came away with the victory 4-1.

So I'm going to continue using these setting through multiple games, but if things play out the they did, these will be my fictional franchise sliders...nice job

Definitely take a look at my slider thread for 19. There are a couple of notable differences between that set and this set for 20

[GrantF330]

Re: Thanks in advance for responding

I mean 5 for every single slider value. You shouldn't be touching a single slider until you improve your discipline tremendously. The game is favorable to offense at default settings; that is your best case scenario.

Ok what about difficulty for hitting and pitching what is that set on???? Beginner?

[JoshC1977]

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Ok what about difficulty for hitting and pitching what is that set on???? Beginner?

Dynamic......

[Kramer5150]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Definitely take a look at my slider thread for 19. There are a couple of notable differences between that set and this set for 20

Oh damn are you serious??....lol now to go and find it.

OK, I found them and input those in my game, hopefully I get the same great "feel" as I did the ones from 20. Thanks for the heads up..

[Kramer5150]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

OK Hey Josh, this will be the last time I will post in here as this is for 20 and I am playing 19.
I input the sliders for 19, played 1 game so far and won 2-0 but I struck out 12 times...lmao.

I am playing using Bacons roster and both teams Dodgers (me) and Phillies both had their aces on the mound, so scoring was a bit of a pain...lol the Dodgers runs cames off a 2 run HR in the early goings of the game.

The one thing I'm hoping I DON'T see is something you mentioned in the 19 thread....the aces start=low run production

the lower tier pitchers = uh oh bombs away...lol

I also liked the feel of the game, so Im not worried there, I just hope the games don't become predictable.

Thanks for the slider recommendation for 19, I think Im going to have a great season.

[GoodyBucs]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Game is off the charts excellent right now.

Not to clutter the minds, but IF you are finding a bit too much success with AS pitching, AS+ is a nice remedy to not fiddling with sliders.

I made the jump ~10 games ago, coupled with realizing vibration should be OFF, and it's been glorious.

Stay out of the main forum, I just wandered in a few threads out of boredom, and its a mess. I'm playing a different game than most posters it seems, because I can't imagine a better sim experience than where we currently are at with MLBTS 2020.

If you expect to plug in a set, and see EXACTLY what you're looking for in 1-3 games, you might as well move on. Baseball is 162 games, there is WILD variance.

If you're interested in variety and stats normalizing over the course of the season, you cannot go wrong with the set Josh has cooked up here. It's simply that good.

I am so engrossed in Bacon's roster, I haven't even landed on who my "real team" franchise will be.

Dumb question- how do I go to All-Star +