itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Sliders

[itbeme23]

For the sake of keeping the OP easy to read, especially since there will now be two sets, I've removed the the "my approach" and "slider explanations" sections.

All-Star Hitting/Hall of Fame Pitching Set

Settings:

Batting and Baserunning

Hitting Difficulty: All-Star
Hitting Interface Directional
Input Type - Buttons
Plate Coverage Indicator - Off
Camera Shift - Off
In-Play View Offense – Medium (User Preference)
Hitting View: Fish Eye 2 (User Preference)
Ball Trail - Off
Button Interface: Classic
Guess Pitch: Off
Baserunner Interface: Default
Baserunning Decisions: Auto
Sliding Decisions: Auto
Runner Window: Off

Pitching

Pitching Difficulty: HOF
Pitching Interface: Classic
Pitching View: Broadcast
Pitching Ball Marker: Off
Pitch Callout:
Pitch Confidence: On
Pitch Delay: Faster (I prefer this setting to speed up the game a bit)
API: Default

Fielding

Throwing Interface: Buttons
Throwing Meter: Off
Throwing Difficulty: N/A
Throwing Decision: Off
Throw Canceling: On
Fielding Decision: Auto
Defensive Shift: Auto
Fielding Indicators – ALL OFF (Credit to Armor)
Fielding View Offense: Medium (User Preference)
Fielding View Defense: Medium (User Preference)

General

Strike Zone: Off
Hot Zones: Off
Warm Up Relievers – Off (Again, to speed up the game)
Balks: Off
Tutorial Tips - Off
Post-Game Auto Save – On (User Preference)
Umpire Balls and Strikes: Perfect
Umpire Close Plays: On
Check Swing Appeals: On
Injuries: On
Ejections: On
Scorebar Display - On
Pitch Select Display – Off
Swing/Pitch Info – Off
Vibration - On
Game Log Order - Default

Presentation Options

Presentation Mode – Hybrid (User Preference)
Pre-Pitch Cameras - Batting Only
Frequency: High Leverage
Batter Walkup - On
In-game Ticker - On
Closed Captioning - Off
Mode Updates – Off
MLB.com Updates – On

Sliders

Human

Dynamic Difficulty Sensitivity – User Preference (does not affect the set)
Contact – 4
Power – 4
Timing – 5
Foul Frequency – 5
Solid Hits – 6
Starter Stamina - 5
Reliever Stamina – 0
Human Pitcher Control – 4
Human Pitcher Consistency – 2

CPU

Contact – 3 or 4 (User Preference)
Power – 3
Timing –5 or 6 (User Preference)
Foul Frequency –5 or 6 (User Preference)
Solid Hits – 8 or 9 (User Preference)
Starter Stamina - 5
Reliever Stamina – 7 (credit to The Kid 24)
Pitcher Control - 5 or 6 (User Preference) (credit to JoshC1977)
Pitcher Consistency - 5
Strike Frequency - 8
Manager Hook – 4
Pickoffs – 6

Global

Fastball Pitch Speed – 8 (User Preference)
Off speed Pitch Speed – 8 (User Preference)
Fielding Errors Infield - 5
Fielding Errors Outfield - 5
Throwing Errors Infield - 5
Throwing Errors Outfield – 5
Fielder Run Speed - 6
Fielder Reaction - 7
Fielder Arm Strength Infield – 3
Fielder Arm Strength Outfield – 6
Baserunner Speed – 7
Baserunner Steal Ability - 6
Baserunner Steal Frequency – 7
Wind – 5
Injuries - 9 for played games (6 for simmed games)

Legend Pitching Set (In Testing)

All sliders the same from All-Star/HOF set except:

Human Pitcher Control: 3
Human Pitcher Consistency: 2

CPU Contact: 3
CPU Power: 4
CPU Timing: 4
CPU Foul Frequency: 0
CPU Solid Hits: 8

[The Kid 24]

Re: itbeme23 MLB The Show 20 "A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sliders

Hell yes man! Glad to see you back!

[mkharsh33]

Re: itbeme23 MLB The Show 20 "A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sliders

I always like reading the other slider sets and the reasoning behind the ideas and numbers. Mine are very odd looking, but I've been using them for a few years, and i start there as a reference point, and then tweak from things that I know that have been true about the game. Thanks for all of this - good read!

[The Kid 24]

Re: itbeme23 MLB The Show 20 "A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sliders

How's CPU bullpen management been?

Asking because reading in WarmWind's thread he has bullpen stuff really good with the settings below...

CPU Starter Stamina: 7 - Starters won't be able to match real life pitch counts without this boost. Also solves some bullpen management issues with the CPU.

CPU Reliever Stamina: 7 See above

CPU Manager Hook: 6

[itbeme23]

Re: itbeme23 MLB The Show 20 "A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sliders

How's CPU bullpen management been?

Asking because reading in WarmWind's thread he has bullpen stuff really good with the settings below...

CPU Starter Stamina: 7 - Starters won't be able to match real life pitch counts without this boost. Also solves some bullpen management issues with the CPU.

CPU Reliever Stamina: 7 See above

CPU Manager Hook: 6

That's an interesting approach, for sure.

In my experience, it hasn't been an issue with pitcher "stamina", per se. When I think of "stamina" issues, I think of pitchers either not tiring when they should, or tiring too fast. The issue, in my opinion, has more to do with the manager pulling the pitcher too quickly based on the situation, rather than allowing the pitcher to work out of a jam.

I think the CPU pitcher is pulled early more based on performance (strikes/ball ratio). The more a pitcher struggles (i.e. more hits/walks allowed), the more inclined the CPU manager will be to pull him. In the approach above, a higher Manager Hook would (in theory), cause the CPU Manager to have a quicker trigger finger, as that is what the slider is intended to do.

I'm planning to do a few test games with an increase in Strike Frequency to see if my hunch is true. A higher strike frequency should lead to lower pitch counts, which in turn, should lead to longer outings by the CPU starter. But, it may be a trade off situation, because if the increase to the Strike Frequency slider throws the first pitch/overall strike percentages severely out of whack, then it'll end up being a wash.

[bryanm1982]

Re: itbeme23 MLB The Show 20 "A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sliders

I might give these a try tonight. I keep track of all the stats. I track the following.

BABIP
Foul %
Swing and miss %
Ground ball %
Fly ball %
Line drive %
First pitch strike %
Strike %
HR/game

I even track the hit distribution percentages. I try to get singles to be around 60-65% and home runs around 10-15% and doubles around 20%. I also track how the runs are being scored. It is a lot of work but I love looking at the numbers when I’m not able to play the game.

So it is nice to see someone that looks at the numbers too. I want my own universe too and any player can have a good year and bat over .350 but I don’t want my team batting .300.

Do you tap or hold down the button when pitching?

I noticed that when I am pitching I never get the borderline calls.

[Guys_WhoGame]

Re: itbeme23 MLB The Show 20 "A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sliders

These play REALLY good definitely fixed the hr problem. And, I am getting the avgs that were in op. Great set

[itbeme23]

Re: itbeme23 MLB The Show 20 "A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sliders

I might give these a try tonight. I keep track of all the stats. I track the following.

BABIP
Foul %
Swing and miss %
Ground ball %
Fly ball %
Line drive %
First pitch strike %
Strike %
HR/game

I even track the hit distribution percentages. I try to get singles to be around 60-65% and home runs around 10-15% and doubles around 20%. I also track how the runs are being scored. It is a lot of work but I love looking at the numbers when I’m not able to play the game.

So it is nice to see someone that looks at the numbers too. I want my own universe too and any player can have a good year and bat over .350 but I don’t want my team batting .300.

Do you tap or hold down the button when pitching?

I noticed that when I am pitching I never get the borderline calls.

Good to see a fellow stat tracker! I obviously tracked what I thought was most pertinent to creating the set, but I'd definitely like to see how the numbers shake out on your end. Hope you enjoy the set!

These play REALLY good definitely fixed the hr problem. And, I am getting the avgs that were in op. Great set

Thanks for giving them a shot! Glad you got a good first impression. I'd love to hear your thoughts once you have a few more games under your belt. Cheers!

[itbeme23]

Re: itbeme23 MLB The Show 20 "A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sliders

I'm currently testing a couple of adjustments to the sliders.

The more I look at HUM Overall Strike %, coupled with the low BB/9 rate, the more inclined I am to start tweaking Human Control/Consistency.

Also, currently testing CPU Strike Frequency at 6 to see the effects on CPU pitch count, approach, and starter outing length.

Will report once I have a few games under my belt.

[DLion]

Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

I also like the game to play to realistic stats. I’m using Mike Lowe’s sliders as he also looks to match real life stats. Have you seen his? How many complete games are you getting with your set?

[itbeme23]

Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

I also like the game to play to realistic stats. I’m using Mike Lowe’s sliders as he also looks to match real life stats. Have you seen his? How many complete games are you getting with your set?

Honestly, man, I've been doing so much testing on my own that I haven't even read through any of the other slider threads. Mike's been a regular here for a long time, so I know his set is probably good as well.

All of the slider guys here know what they're doing. Each set has it's strengths, with the biggest variation probably being the interfaces we use (Classic vs. Meter, etc.).

[itbeme23]

Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

Here's what I'm currently testing:

Human Pitcher Control: 3
Human Pitcher Consistency: 3

- Trying to lower the first pitch and overall strike percentages for the human. Gotta be careful about these, as they are very sensitive. I enjoy the additional challenge, but once the pitcher's get too wild, then it throws the CPU offensive numbers way off. Hoping this will create an uptick in CPU BBs as well.

CPU Pitcher Control: 4
CPU Pitcher Consistency: 5
CPU Strike Frequency: 6

Part of my theory is correct: the higher the strike frequency, the less the CPU pitcher struggles (i.e. higher strike/ball ratio), which results in longer outings. I've also learned that the Consistency slider is the most sensitive of these three sliders. I tried a combo of (5,6,5) for control, consistency, and strike frequency, and that caused pitchers to paint the black with Greg Maddux-like precision. That combo had a negative effect on count variability, with counts significantly favoring the CPU pitchers. Almost every at-bat was 0-2, or 1-2. Totally nerfed my offense, and had a negative effect on my ability to draw walks (which was already pretty low in the first place). I then tried a combo of 5,4,6 for these three sliders, and counts shifted noticeably in the hitter's favor. That tells me that Consistency is very sensitive, and should not deviate much from default. I'm going to test a combo of 4, 5, 6 for control, consistency, and strike frequency for a couple games to see if I can find the balance I'm looking for. But, with as fickle as this group of sliders seems to be, it may be a trade-off situation like I spoke about in the OP. I don't want to sacrifice other aspects of the set that work really well, just to accomplish the single goal of getting the CPU starter deeper into games.

[lere2001]

Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

Hey! I really love the idea of these sliders and have been playing games with them. Overall, they feel really good! However, I think the combination of higher baserunning speed and higher fielding+throwing errors make things a bit too offense friendly. On both the HUM and the CPU sides, extra bases are often given up when they don't need to be by OF bobbles or wide throws. (not necessarily counted as errors in-game)

[itbeme23]

Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

Hey! I really love the idea of these sliders and have been playing games with them. Overall, they feel really good! However, I think the combination of higher baserunning speed and higher fielding+throwing errors make things a bit too offense friendly. On both the HUM and the CPU sides, extra bases are often given up when they don't need to be by OF bobbles or wide throws. (not necessarily counted as errors in-game)

Definitely an interesting observation. As I said in the OP the error sliders weren't fully set in stone, and coincidentally, when I first read your post, I was in the middle of a game where there were three different OF throwing errors, even though two of them didn't count as errors in the linescore. I will probably decrease OF Throwing Errors by one click.

Truthfully, I've gone down the rabbit hole with HUM/CPU pitching. Trying to get more HUM BBs, and trying to eek out longer outings by the CPU starters. That's where my focus is right now, so if anybody has any other feedback/observations on the rest of the set, feel free to chime in!

Cheers!

[DLion]

Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

Any changes to your sliders on the OP?