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  • itbeme23
    Pro
    • Sep 2007
    • 875

    #31
    Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

    Originally posted by The_Gryphon75
    Well I'm still testing your previous sliders with surprising results. The data that are resulting from the matches are approaching in an incredible way to the real data already with a few test matches to the credit.
    From tomorrow I will also try these your further changes.
    Really congratulations for the work done.
    All that I am testing I am collecting in an excel sheet and with the summary tables of matches of Op. Sp .
    I am also collecting videos of matches to review the highlights.
    These settings are really exciting.
    Glad you're enjoying them! As I said in my latest post, if you're getting good results with the previous settings, by all means, continue with them.

    I feel my latest changes make the set even better than it was, but again, some of that is because of my play style as well. Feel free to tweak the set to your skill level/preferences.

    Most of all, stay safe in Italy, my friend.

    Ciao!

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    • The_Gryphon75
      Rookie
      • Feb 2015
      • 172

      #32
      Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

      I use to do my test games in the old stadiums.
      Can this affect on the settings or not?
      I am referring to field widths, build of the field, distances for Home Runs etc
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      • DLion
        Rookie
        • Feb 2017
        • 65

        #33
        Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

        How are your numbers looking? Any changes to the set? Does the difficulty matter much? I play HOF/HOF

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        • tonyfire2001
          Rookie
          • Mar 2007
          • 289

          #34
          Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

          Hey Itbeme, welcome back my friend...

          So glad you came back with your sliders, just plugged them in and have played only 4 or 5 games with them, but damn...

          You hit it out of the park, the games feels amazing, the hitting is right on...the only time I have gotten mad so far is when my pitcher is getting wild and throwing balls everywhere...

          I have not enjoyed the show this much since we worked together on slider back in 15 and 16...

          All I can say is great job and keep up the good work man...Glad to see you back...
          It's all about the man Hammer'n Hank...

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          • The_Gryphon75
            Rookie
            • Feb 2015
            • 172

            #35
            Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

            A small collection of Highlights from the test matches that I am doing with your settings. MLB TS Italy Clan
            At the moment the results of the matches is very negative (we are still in the preparation period, a sort of Spring Training) but overall the outcome is very, very positive.
            In the data I am obtaining results that are practically identical to reality. I'm still too far in the data attributable to my game and my Plate Discipline but that I had put into account
            For the rest I don't know any particular attitude of the CPU and I can tell you that when I hit I am always satisfied.
            Bye, until next time.
            PSN: The_Gryphon75
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            Youtube: Triple Play The Show

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            • BV28
              MVP
              • Aug 2009
              • 1124

              #36
              Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

              Oh interesting. I am using Armor's sliders and really enjoy them. I'm going to give these a go for 10 games in my franchise

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              • itbeme23
                Pro
                • Sep 2007
                • 875

                #37
                Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                Originally posted by DLion
                How are your numbers looking? Any changes to the set? Does the difficulty matter much? I play HOF/HOF
                Can't really say what the results would be for HOF hitting, dude.

                As far as my offensive numbers on All-Star, the numbers are looking damn good. My Dodgers are right in line with MLB averages, so I don't anticipate any changes there. Would be curious to see your results on HOF, so keep us posted.

                Originally posted by tonyfire2001
                Hey Itbeme, welcome back my friend...

                So glad you came back with your sliders, just plugged them in and have played only 4 or 5 games with them, but damn...

                You hit it out of the park, the games feels amazing, the hitting is right on...the only time I have gotten mad so far is when my pitcher is getting wild and throwing balls everywhere...

                I have not enjoyed the show this much since we worked together on slider back in 15 and 16...

                All I can say is great job and keep up the good work man...Glad to see you back...
                Thanks, man! It's good to be back. I'm having a blast with the set as well. I'm tinkering with a few things right now (mostly CPU hitting), but overall, I really like the way the set is performing. Keep me posted on your results, and any feedback or suggestions you might have. Thanks for the kind words!

                Originally posted by Hushroom
                Oh interesting. I am using Armor's sliders and really enjoy them. I'm going to give these a go for 10 games in my franchise
                Cheers, bud! Hope you enjoy them!

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                • itbeme23
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 875

                  #38
                  Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                  Hey, y'all!

                  Hope everybody has dug into their franchises, and I hope you're enjoying the set.

                  As I've said in some of my replies, overall, I really like the way the set is performing. For most people, I imagine you can adjust most of the sliders by a click or two, and be able to achieve the results you're looking for. At the risk of sounding overly biased, I think this is a hell of a solid base to start from.

                  Now, with that said, I'm experiencing a bit of a lull when it comes to CPU offense. Now, it could be that I'm using the Dodgers, and everybody knows they have a really good pitching staff (1st or 2nd in most MLB statistical categories last season). HOWEVER, after the first 13 games of my season, I'm DOMINATING in almost every meaningful stat category, and my last few games have started to feel a bit stale. These are different results than I got while testing, but that's because I was using a variety of MLB teams with different performing pitching staffs. Now that I've settled into MY franchise with the Dodgers, I've been more dominant than I would like. I currently have an a sub-2 ERA, and I'm giving up less than 7 hits per game. What that translates to on a game-to-game basis is quite simply...boring games, with subpar CPU offensive output.

                  So, I've reopened some testing on the CPU hitting sliders. Admittedly, this group of sliders has been the trickiest to nail down for me since I began testing. As I've said before, one click in either direction on any of the sliders has the potential to negatively affect the CPU's offensive production. The goals of my current testing are as follows:

                  1. Realistic overall CPU offensive output (i.e. number of hits, mainly).
                  2. Increased CPU runs scored, which will hopefully bring my ERA back into a realistic range.
                  3. Keeping CPU K numbers in realistic ranges, but there may be a tradeoff of less strikeouts to achieve better offensive output.
                  4. Increased CPU hits will hopefully provide more traffic on the bases, which in a general sense, will create more exciting games.

                  I am still taking a stats-oriented approach. Particularly the CPU extra base hits number. Contact and Solid Hits arguably have just as much influence on doubles and triples as the Power slider does, so I'm keeping an eye on those numbers. I still want to maintain the current CPU hit variety, just with a little bit more output on a per game basis.

                  Here's what I'm testing:

                  CPU Contact: 4
                  - Again, this is going to affect swing and miss rate, which will in turn affect the number of strikeouts per game.

                  CPU Power: 3
                  - No change here. The CPU homers are still there.

                  CPU Timing: 5
                  - Slight drop here to balance out the increase to Contact. I'm basically taking the inverse approach of what I stated in the OP.

                  CPU Solid Hits: 8
                  - I'm starting this testing with no changes to Solid Hits. Again, this slider is the one that affects the overall CPU offensive output as well as batting average. It's going to take a few games to gauge whether or not a change will be needed because of the increase in Contact. Hopefully not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up needing to be decreased to 7.

                  That's what I got for y'all today! As always, feedback and suggestions are welcomed!

                  Cheers!
                  Last edited by itbeme23; 04-04-2020, 04:37 PM.

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                  • BV28
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1124

                    #39
                    Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                    So after playing two games, I’ve found hitting too easy. I usually play on HOF but I bumped it down to AS. I actually do like how these play as the games have been entertaining. I am gonna plug in your edits and see how it goes.

                    So far I’ve won with a score of 4-1 and 7-5. I am the brewers and played against the Rockies in both.


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                    • lere2001
                      Pro
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 555

                      #40
                      Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                      Been loving the hitting/pitching of this set. I felt fielding was a little unrealistic with how fast the OFs were getting to balls so the only difference I have from your set is Fielder Reaction and Speed is 4 and Baserunner speed is 6.

                      With the new CPU offense adjustments I've had 2 games so far. A 8-3 loss (my SP5) and a 2-1 win in extras (my SP1). Will continue to report but I just wanted to show this amazing double play because my jaw dropped when I saw it :P

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                      • tonyfire2001
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 289

                        #41
                        Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                        Originally posted by itbeme23
                        Hey, y'all!

                        Hope everybody has dug into their franchises, and I hope you're enjoying the set.

                        As I've said in some of my replies, overall, I really like the way the set is performing. For most people, I imagine you can adjust most of the sliders by a click or two, and be able to achieve the results you're looking for. At the risk of sounding overly biased, I think this is a hell of a solid base to start from.

                        Now, with that said, I'm experiencing a bit of a lull when it comes to CPU offense. Now, it could be that I'm using the Dodgers, and everybody knows they have a really good pitching staff (1st or 2nd in most MLB statistical categories last season). HOWEVER, after the first 13 games of my season, I'm DOMINATING in almost every meaningful stat category, and my last few games have started to feel a bit stale. These are different results than I got while testing, but that's because I was using a variety of MLB teams with different performing pitching staffs. Now that I've settled into MY franchise with the Dodgers, I've been more dominant than I would like. I currently have an a sub-2 ERA, and I'm giving up less than 7 hits per game. What that translates to on a game-to-game basis is quite simply...boring games, with subpar CPU offensive output.

                        So, I've reopened some testing on the CPU hitting sliders. Admittedly, this group of sliders has been the trickiest to nail down for me since I began testing. As I've said before, one click in either direction on any of the sliders has the potential to negatively affect the CPU's offensive production. The goals of my current testing are as follows:

                        1. Realistic overall CPU offensive output (i.e. number of hits, mainly).
                        2. Increased CPU runs scored, which will hopefully bring my ERA back into a realistic range.
                        3. Keeping CPU K numbers in realistic ranges, but there may be a tradeoff of less strikeouts to achieve better offensive output.
                        4. Increased CPU hits will hopefully provide more traffic on the bases, which in a general sense, will create more exciting games.

                        I am still taking a stats-oriented approach. Particularly the CPU extra base hits number. Contact and Solid Hits arguably have just as much influence on doubles and triples as the Power slider does, so I'm keeping an eye on those numbers. I still want to maintain the current CPU hit variety, just with a little bit more output on a per game basis.

                        Here's what I'm testing:

                        CPU Contact: 4
                        - Again, this is going to affect swing and miss rate, which will in turn affect the number of strikeouts per game.

                        CPU Power: 3
                        - No change here. The CPU homers are still there.

                        CPU Timing: 5
                        - Slight drop here to balance out the increase to Contact. I'm basically taking the inverse approach of what I stated in the OP.

                        CPU Solid Hits: 8
                        - I'm starting this testing with no changes to Solid Hits. Again, this slider is the one that affects the overall CPU offensive output as well as batting average. It's going to take a few games to gauge whether or not a change will be needed because of the increase in Contact. Hopefully not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up needing to be decreased to 7.

                        That's what I got for y'all today! As always, feedback and suggestions are welcomed!

                        Cheers!
                        If you need any help let me know why you need, I just started a Mariners franchise the polar opposite of you dodgers, I am going for a realistic rebuild of the Baby M’s and see how it goes...anything you need and stats that you need let me know...just played game 1 against the Rangers.

                        Rangers 4 11 1
                        Mariners 6 7 0

                        2B: Calhoun (1), Odor (1)
                        HR: Calhoun (1)
                        RBI: Calhoun 3 (3), Solak (1)


                        Since your working on CPU offense I put what they hit against me...if you need more let me know I provide the information....
                        It's all about the man Hammer'n Hank...

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                        • itbeme23
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 875

                          #42
                          Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                          Originally posted by tonyfire2001
                          If you need any help let me know why you need, I just started a Mariners franchise the polar opposite of you dodgers, I am going for a realistic rebuild of the Baby M’s and see how it goes...anything you need and stats that you need let me know...just played game 1 against the Rangers.

                          Rangers 4 11 1
                          Mariners 6 7 0

                          2B: Calhoun (1), Odor (1)
                          HR: Calhoun (1)
                          RBI: Calhoun 3 (3), Solak (1)


                          Since your working on CPU offense I put what they hit against me...if you need more let me know I provide the information....
                          Thanks, Tony!

                          Just to confirm, you’re using the settings in my last post, right? Just wanna make sure we’re on the same page. I don’t want to update the OP with anything I’m testing, because from most accounts, it seems like people are getting good results from the set in the OP.

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                          • itbeme23
                            Pro
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 875

                            #43
                            Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                            Initial observations from my latest testing (3 games):

                            CPU Contact: 4
                            CPU Power: 3
                            CPU Timing: 5
                            CPU Solid Hits: 8

                            - CPU offense has definitely returned. Although it's not surprising, I'm still impressed how just subtle adjustments (a click in either direction) to any sliders can have such drastic effects on what you see in-game. If you look at the above changes, they're not a far stretch from my original set. One click adjustments for Contact, Timing, and Solid Hits...that's it! Yet, it feels like a completely different game than what I was experiencing just a few games ago.

                            I think I'm on the right track with the above changes. I'm still not convinced that SH won't need to come down a click, but right now, the stats don't warrant that change. One thing I've immediately noticed is Foul Frequency CANNOT remain at 6 with Contact at 4. That combo leads to too many 10+ pitch at-bats, which has a negative effect on your starters and taxes the bullpen. The pitcher/hitter battles are fun, but not worth the trade-off mentioned above. Further, too many fouls = too much contact, which negatively affects CPU K rate. In reviewing the pitching stats from my last three games, the CPU is fouling off anywhere between 35% and 40% of total strikes thrown. That's incredibly high, and three games is enough for me to warrant that as a TREND, rather than an anomaly.

                            So, in addition to the changes I've noted above, I am also lowering Foul Frequency back to default (5).

                            I'm going to run with these settings for at least one more series. Really going to try to pay attention to CPU Foul Ball Strike %, as well as Solid Hits.

                            Cheers, y'all! Thanks so much for your feedback and help!

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                            • The_Gryphon75
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2015
                              • 172

                              #44
                              Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                              I'm going to finish the test matches before starting a franchise, waiting for (I really hope) we can begin again..
                              I have prepared an excel file for the Box Score to have immediately some data that I could not have with the OS TABLE GENERATOR .
                              It will also need a lot to check some parameters during the game.
                              Meanwhile, I have not changed the sliders with Ibteme updates because at the moment I am feeling well.

                              One question.
                              Could the use of the Pitching Meter instead of the Classic affect something?

                              You can see last match data's: Personal Box Score (i've played with the Pirates)
                              Last edited by The_Gryphon75; 04-05-2020, 02:29 PM.
                              PSN: The_Gryphon75
                              Forum:
                              Youtube: Triple Play The Show

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                              • itbeme23
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 875

                                #45
                                Re: itbeme23 The Show 20 "The Stats Approach" A.S. Directional/HOF Classic Sim Slider

                                Originally posted by The_Gryphon75
                                I'm going to finish the test matches before starting a franchise, waiting for (I really hope) we can begin again..
                                I have prepared an excel file for the Box Score to have immediately some data that I could not have with the OS TABLE GENERATOR .
                                It will also need a lot to check some parameters during the game.
                                Meanwhile, I have not changed the sliders with Ibteme updates because at the moment I am feeling well.

                                One question.
                                Could the use of the Pitching Meter instead of the Classic affect something?

                                You can see last match data's: Personal Box Score (i've played with the Pirates)
                                I would not suggest these settings using Meter Pitching, only because I don’t know how they will play with that interface. Meter Pitching is a skill-based interface, meaning the user has an effect on how the players play on the field. Classic Pitching is completely ratings-based, which in my opinion, results in more realistic/simulation results.

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