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  • Skyboxer
    Donny Baseball!
    • Jul 2002
    • 20302

    #76
    Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

    Pretty much........
    Not to take anything away from the previous The Show games because I loved them, but MLB 12 is nestled right next to FPSBB now for me. If only they'd figure out a way to let me print rosters or export them to a file I could take to PC.
    Last edited by Skyboxer; 03-18-2012, 05:10 AM.
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    • pistolpete
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      • Jun 2004
      • 1816

      #77
      Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

      Originally posted by Skyboxer
      Pretty much........
      Not to take anything away from the previous The Show games because I loved them, but MLB 12 is nestled right next to FPSBB now for me. If only they'd figure out a way to let me print rosters or export them to a file I could take to PC.
      It's amazing. Earl Weaver baseball which came out in the 80s? allowed users to print reports and also had 1 pitch at bats.

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      • Skyboxer
        Donny Baseball!
        • Jul 2002
        • 20302

        #78
        Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

        Originally posted by pistolpete
        It's amazing. Earl Weaver baseball which came out in the 80s? allowed users to print reports and also had 1 pitch at bats.
        Not going to fault The SHow as it's still on console. Yet 2K is on PC and they couldn't even take the time to do it.
        Just proves my earlier point about 2K even more.
        Even when they have the opportunity to help themselves etc... they seem to not care about going the extra step.

        As far as The Show it would be nice to get it added especially when the PS3 can be hooked to a printer.
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        • pistolpete
          MVP
          • Jun 2004
          • 1816

          #79
          Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

          Well, once I finish this post I will no longer bother those with my thoughts on the two games.

          I spent all of last week playing the Show pretty much, and the entire weekend playing 2k12 (pc, this is important to note) and I have decided I love both games.

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          • celtics6
            Banned
            • Sep 2011
            • 353

            #80
            Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

            Originally posted by pistolpete
            Well, once I finish this post I will no longer bother those with my thoughts on the two games.

            I spent all of last week playing the Show pretty much, and the entire weekend playing 2k12 (pc, this is important to note) and I have decided I love both games.
            That's the thing with me. 2k might not be the prettiest game in the world, but if it wasn't for the show and if people looked past some of the graphics and wonky animations it would be considered a classic imo. It's a really good game. It's fun. The online play is amazing.

            I also get those saying the show is like the real sport, but 2k is more of a video game. The show basically replicates the game nearly perfectly like you are watching a real game, the way it animates and everything in between, but like I said in my other long overexplaining post before, if you look at what both games are doing they are doing the same things in a lot of ways. Are 2k's graphics a bit more dated and more cartooney which can make it seem more like a video game? Sure. Same with the swing animations and bat and ball sounds.

            But I wouldn't say 2k is any less of a "baseball" game or a simulation in different ways. It captures certain things about baseball that the show doesn't imo. I think the difficulty and the way games play out and getting those clutch hits plays better in 2k sometimes. The show can be so stringent on being a simulation that its noticeable when you are playing it like a chess match and the game just doesn't play out that way. Some of the homeruns can feel scripted etc. It's really hard to replicate that in a game.

            The show and the way it looks and animates is so realistic. But trying to get the perfect difficulty and sliders is nearly impossible. I think 2k has better settings out of the box. It's too bad some of the celebration animations are so bad in 2k. Especially at homeplate. When you hit a hr its so dead. It's a shame because the game as a lot of character underneath as far as the gameplay... I also think 2k has really good atmosphere. The player models just look like junk at times. There are missing animations. How they are modeled is pretty bleh etc. When you hit a HR the player basically goes from a slow jog to walking back to the dugout with his head down.

            I sort of wish 2k went all out with some of their celebration animations. It would have made it more fun because the game has a lot of character. It just has that unfinished quality to it. I can't help but feel let down when I hit a hr and the game does that. I'm not saying make the game like NBA Live several years back where they had these over the top celebrations and just made it arcadey. But they could have done more to make it more seamless and give it more personality.

            I think 2k has that perfect balance between video game and simulation. But they just didn't go that extra mile. The show on the other hand really simulates what the game looks and feels like, but can feel too scripted on the other side of the fence. The controls also need to be so precise that it can be to a fault. The game is so perfect looking its more noticeable when the game doesn't really play that way.
            Last edited by celtics6; 03-19-2012, 12:30 PM.

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            • ggazoo
              Pro
              • Apr 2005
              • 533

              #81
              Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

              celtics6, great post. I agree with a lot of the things that you said, but ironically for me, what I'm struggling with this year is the notion that 2K didn't put the effort in that I was looking for. Since the license is coming up, it feels as though they decided not to go out with a bang, but to release 2K11 v1.1, and I don't think that's worth dropping $60 on.

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              • celtics6
                Banned
                • Sep 2011
                • 353

                #82
                Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                Originally posted by ggazoo
                celtics6, great post. I agree with a lot of the things that you said, but ironically for me, what I'm struggling with this year is the notion that 2K didn't put the effort in that I was looking for. Since the license is coming up, it feels as though they decided not to go out with a bang, but to release 2K11 v1.1, and I don't think that's worth dropping $60 on.
                I agree with you. The game is far from finished and it's disapointing. I don't understand why developers do this. They have a game that is really good at its core and then just don't iron out the little things. It's really been the same thing for 2k this entire gen. Teh animations get a little smoother each year but there are still things completely not in the game that boggle my mind.

                That said there are so many different ways to make a baseball game. When selling to the masses it's difficult. But I grew up on a commodore 64 where you had like 5 different baseball games that all did very different things or had a different take on what a simulation should be. That's not to say those games were better. Far from it. They had their flaws. But I wish there were more developers out there willing to take a shot on trying different things.

                You really could do much with baseball and have very different takes on it that would be fun. This is one thing I absolutely despise about the masses and corporate video games. Is the show amazing at what it does? Absolutely(It's a visually stunning game and really captures what the game looks and feels like and is more of a simulation than most and it needed to be for sure which is good) but I can think of about 10 other ways to make a baseball game that people aren't even aware of.

                The Show isn't exactly this end all be all simulation like people make it out to be. Is it a baseball simulator? Yeah. But at its core it's still an arcade action based visual baseball game. It has great mechanics but it's still about graphics and a twitch fest. I'm older. I'd like a more thoughtful strategy statistical based baseball game sometimes with good gameplay and graphics to boot. I'd also like just a really fun baseball game with really good mechanics and personality.

                Instead we've gone the opposite direction where it's all about money and licensing and fanboys hyping up these games and saying how much the competition sucks, and we as gamers are lucky to even have 2 games of the same genre that are pretty similar in what they are doing. Pretty soon there will only be one choice that is supposedly the best that can be done when it's really not.
                Last edited by celtics6; 03-19-2012, 04:45 PM.

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                • Money99
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 12695

                  #83
                  Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                  Excellent post celtics6.
                  Both have their sim and arcadey features.
                  "Guess Pitch" is a perfect example. That could be the most arcade-like feature in any sports game.
                  "Just don't use it!". Doesn't matter. The devs put it in there and refuse to take it off the screen so obviously they think that it mirrors something about real baseball.
                  Nevermind that a .080 hitter can guess fastball and if you guess right, you're right 100% of the time.

                  I realize there's many examples of this with 2K as well but both have sim and arcade qualities.

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                  • pistolpete
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 1816

                    #84
                    Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                    Originally posted by Money99
                    Excellent post celtics6.
                    Both have their sim and arcadey features.
                    "Guess Pitch" is a perfect example. That could be the most arcade-like feature in any sports game.
                    "Just don't use it!". Doesn't matter. The devs put it in there and refuse to take it off the screen so obviously they think that it mirrors something about real baseball.
                    Nevermind that a .080 hitter can guess fastball and if you guess right, you're right 100% of the time.

                    I realize there's many examples of this with 2K as well but both have sim and arcade qualities.
                    I'm not saying it makes at bats realistic, but if you turn off the strike zone window (again not realistic) guess pitch indicators will not show up.

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                    • celtics6
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 353

                      #85
                      Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                      I miss Tony Larussa and front page sports as well. Imagine if those companies knew what they were doing as far business is concerned and had funds? Even those cinemaware and acclaim games back in the day like Hard Ball were totally cool. Bases Loaded.
                      Last edited by celtics6; 03-19-2012, 05:00 PM.

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                      • Money99
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 12695

                        #86
                        Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                        Originally posted by pistolpete
                        I'm not saying it makes at bats realistic, but if you turn off the strike zone window (again not realistic) guess pitch indicators will not show up.
                        So it also shuts off the audio indicator that you guessed right?

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                        • pistolpete
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 1816

                          #87
                          Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                          Originally posted by Money99
                          So it also shuts off the audio indicator that you guessed right?
                          Wait, which game are we talking about? On 2k12 if you turn off the strike zone you won't be notified of guessed correctly pitches.

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                          • Vince
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                            • Aug 2002
                            • 26017

                            #88
                            Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                            Loving 2k this year. love the pitching, the player models. the way every outfielder feels different. i can look past some of the weird happenings. I didn't play 2k11 and played maybe 20 minutes of 2k10 and none of 2k9. really nice change of pace for me
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                            • ggazoo
                              Pro
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 533

                              #89
                              Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                              Originally posted by Vince
                              Loving 2k this year. love the pitching, the player models. the way every outfielder feels different. i can look past some of the weird happenings. I didn't play 2k11 and played maybe 20 minutes of 2k10 and none of 2k9. really nice change of pace for me
                              I couldn't agree more. Even though celtics 6 picked The Show, I'm totally on board with everything that he said about 2K12 as well.

                              Visually, The Show is incredible. The animations I think are the best in any sports game, and the whole atmosphere is fantastic. As is the new broadcast presentation, I love it. But they have to change some things. I know that The Show has an established brand in how it looks and feels, and I don't know what they can do to freshen things up. But I've been playing it for the past 5 years, and as amazing as '12 is, it feels stale.

                              I know that The Show has made improvements this year - the ball physics, for example, are amazing. But Diamond Dynasty doesn't interest me. And even though they've added a new pitching mechanic, I found myself going back to the meter - I like it better, but again, it's getting tired. And, of course, the one thing that The Show desperately needs to overhaul is the commentary. I really like the broadcasters themselves, but they really disengage me by talking about last year all of the time.

                              Which brings me to why I think 2K12 is so great - of course, the leading aspect for me is the commentary. gametrailers.com said that the excellent commentary was wasted on the actual game of 2K12, but I don't think that's fair. 2k does play a really FUN game of baseball, and I think it's also a realistic one, regardless of what some are saying here in comparison to The Show. Does 2K still have it's problems? Sure (the 'zombie' glitch, fielders sometimes going in the wrong location, shoddy base running) but none of those are real 'game breakers'. But what really seals it for me is MLB Today - one of the best features to be in a sports game EVER, imo. While many people say that The Show is realistic (it is), 2K is realistic not only for it's representation of the sport, but because I feel connected to the real world - something that The Show fails to do.
                              Last edited by ggazoo; 03-20-2012, 03:58 PM.

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                              • Money99
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 12695

                                #90
                                Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                                Originally posted by pistolpete
                                Wait, which game are we talking about? On 2k12 if you turn off the strike zone you won't be notified of guessed correctly pitches.
                                Sorry, I was talking about The Show.

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