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  • celtics6
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    • Sep 2011
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    My thoughts on the two baseball games

    I know we live in a graphics first sort of world. The Show and Sony have done an outstanding job showing off their hardware. I'd be lying if I wasn't a bit jealous. I've had a ps3. I just couldnt bring myself to keep it for some reason though. I've played the show every year and compared both games to death.

    The Show looks great. Plays great and has rock solid gameplay. Thing is I still prefer 2k. It's not the provebial, I'm a 360 owner and my only choice thing with me. It's a choice I made. I know people like to spin it or play it that way though. Hey you just have a 360 so you are stuck with this as your only choice. Go play your crappy game poor boy. It's not that. I appreciate those comments though.

    I've owned both systems. The ps3 just was not worth it to me for some reason. I bought it specifically for the Show. I found myself still playing 2k more and I wasn't sure why.

    3 things. Presentation, The control scheme, and inside edge.

    MLB 2k12 gets overlooked imo because graphically it's not keeping up. But it has a better control scheme out of the box. With the Show, you either have buttons or they have tried other ways and failed. 2k has the best control scheme to me. Both games have similar feature sets as far as physics. 2k added the same ball physics this year. Better presentation and commentary. The features and modes are better like mlb today and a more functioning online play system which is one advantage of lesser graphics. I'm going 2k again. Call me silly or whatever. The Show obviously looks better dealing with one system and proprietary hardware that is the ps3 where they can load it up. But to me and what I like in a baseball game, 2k is a more in depth experience.

    I've heard those 2k is a good pick up and play game comments too. I don't think that is true either. Like the Show is somehow more whatever.

    I think pulling back on the stick and pushing forward is a natural swing motion. Same with the gesture system. I hate playing the show for this reason because 2k feels so much more natural.

    Sony has done a nice job of taking care of their hardware and showing it off, but they've also dropped the ball in areas and really haven't separated themselves as far as gameplay, and modes. The stats and presentation that 2k gives you is also miles better as far as batters weak spots, pitch types etc. It's much more relevant. Inside Edge is a stat lovers dream. I've always considered the show a somewhat shallow experience for that reason. 2k gets this stuff right.

    Audio and camera angles is also an area that 2k has focused on that gets overlooked. This is under the covers sort of stuff. But they have always had a strong focus on camera angles and the amount of audio they put in their game and how relevant it is. Instead of the more quirky comments of teh show, you have audio that is actually relevant and not trying to be something else. Gamers like me appreciate this.

    Obviously as far being graphically authentic as far as vendors and crowd and player detail the show blows 2k away. But thats about where it ends.

    It's a shallow world we live in and obviously people are going to want the latest and greatest and best looking game to show off to their friends. That's just how it is. People don't think that deep. I'm not saying that's a bad thing either. HAving great graphics and presentation is also a big part of what makes a game fun. I still can't fathom how 2k's baseball game doesn't have vendors.

    Still 2k gets torn apart graphically when if you compare to another multiplat title nba 2k its not that different if you really look at them this year. Yes their mlb counterback struggles with consistency in areas, but yet nba 2k is heralded as the best basketball game ever and considered graphically stellar.

    One other thing 2k does very well is it gives the gamer a sense of space or freedom. I don't know if it's the hit variety or physics. Both are rock solid in this area and offer the same features and improved ball physics this year. But even still the Show can feel scripted to me or like it's on rails. Something about 2k's hit variety and gameplay just seems to give me more space or freedom where there is more randomness within the gameplay. The Show's gameplay is tight, which is it's biggest strength, but it's also it's biggest flaw. 2k on the other hand just feels loose. IF you want to use the girl analogy here that's fine. But The Show is like that perfect girl on the surface who just might not be willing to experiment with certain things or go that much deeper. 2k on the other hand might not look that great on the surface and you might need to have smoked something to really appreciate and might look a bit slutty and unfinished but might be willing or more open to different things. The Show is a tight pristine girl. 2k12 is slutty this year.

    I think this year these games are so close as far as being polished and end of cycle where 2k has caught up in the solid department where you don't have those glaring ommisions and bugs so much anymore. Both games are pretty much rock solid in the gameplay department at this point. But yet both games have kind of taken a different direction. 2k had 3 things going for it coming from 2k8. It's presentation, control scheme, and inside edge. I think they are a smaller publisher and were looking at a multiplat title that wouldn't be able to keep up with a game that was designed specifically to show off the ps3. There is no way they could do that. But I think underneath it all, if you get past the surface stuff, I think 2k did a nice job playing to it's strengths. I think the Show has had graphics wrapped up, but has really struggled to find that little extra something as far as gameplay or modes to win people like me over. It does amazing things and is rock solid at its core, but it's not all roses as it seems. There are drawbacks to that as well. I think 2k has always had that something in their games as far as gameplay where they have that certain genius or idea that win people like me over that other developers just don't have. They also keep it and don't let other developers have it and it can't be duplicated.

    IT may sound like I'm panning the show when I'm really not. I appreciate what the Show has done. They have done the same things to 2k in ways and shown how dated 2k can be. 2k can sit on a dated graphics engine and take their sweet time releasing bugged after bugged version of games because they don't have the proper funding because of their own business decisions. While gamers suffer beta testing these games every year paying full price. 2k isn't all roses either. Their baseball games have been crap for years to get to the point of actually releasing a game worth purchasing.

    This is also why it's important that there are more than one developer out there making a certain game as well imo. Because there are different ways to do things and as a gamer I hate being stuck with one choice.

    The Show is obviously a graphically superior game. It's not even close, but if you look past that you might realize 2k is doing some pretty cool things this year.
    Last edited by celtics6; 03-06-2012, 11:02 AM.
  • BlueSkies7776
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    • Mar 2010
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    Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

    I can definitely see where you're coming from. But for me, even though The Show is more stiff, and might feel like it is more scripted (which I don't think it is) it is simply way more polished.

    I'm the kind of Baseball fan that doesn't really care about stats so much, just the actual game on the field. I care about how the game plays on the field so when I play a Baseball game I want that experience to be as tight and as polished as possible. I hate things like the ball magically warping into a glove 3 feet away. Or the ball going right through the bat then some how makes contact after it's way passed the bat. Little technical blemishes like this piss me the hell off. And this is exactly what The Show really nails. In The Show you never see things like this, everything looks good, and everything falls into play like it is supposed to.

    San Diego Studios has the advantage of focusing entirely on the PS3 hardware, and with the help of Sony they can make beautiful looking games. Your claim that The Show is all about graphics isn't entirely true. It also plays very well, and this is why the series is so popular. If the game was all graphics but the gameplay sucked I think that word would have spread pretty quickly. But it hasn't. They have been working on the series for years and it shows. If you went from playing MLB 07 for 5 years and then went straight to MLB 12 you'd be blown away.

    I have been tempted to buy MLB 2k every year it comes out, just to experience a different Baseball game. But until they can tighten up those little glitches and bugs, I won't buy it. I know I'm beating a dead horse here but it is a shame that MVP had to disappear when it was becoming a very polished and tight experience, much like MLB The Show is now.

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    • bkrich83
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      Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

      For me, when it comes to overall product and polish, 2k is not even in the same ballpark as The Show. It's so far behind.

      If you think 2k has closed the gap, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but as someone with both games, I don't see how you can make that statement with a straight face.

      Hell, 2k themselves know their product is inferior.
      Last edited by bkrich83; 03-09-2012, 10:13 PM.
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      • CrazyKitchenGuy
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        • Aug 2009
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        Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

        The one thing that has stuck out with me after reading a few reviews about The Show is the controls. In each review, they more or less came out saying that you almost need a PhD to fully understand the controls and master them.

        For me, that is where the 2K series shines. When you have pick up and play controls, that makes a world of difference to a casual gamer like myself. I like being able to sit down and play through a game without even having to look at the manual.

        Just my thoughts though, so take it for what you will.

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        • bkrich83
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          Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

          Originally posted by CrazyKitchenGuy
          The one thing that has stuck out with me after reading a few reviews about The Show is the controls. In each review, they more or less came out saying that you almost need a PhD to fully understand the controls and master them.

          For me, that is where the 2K series shines. When you have pick up and play controls, that makes a world of difference to a casual gamer like myself. I like being able to sit down and play through a game without even having to look at the manual.

          Just my thoughts though, so take it for what you will.
          I am not sure how the controls for The Show could be construed as overly complex, or even complex.
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          • bkrich83
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            Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

            Originally posted by BlueSkies7776
            I can definitely see where you're coming from. But for me, even though The Show is more stiff, and might feel like it is more scripted (which I don't think it is) it is simply way more polished.

            I'm the kind of Baseball fan that doesn't really care about stats so much, just the actual game on the field. I care about how the game plays on the field so when I play a Baseball game I want that experience to be as tight and as polished as possible. I hate things like the ball magically warping into a glove 3 feet away. Or the ball going right through the bat then some how makes contact after it's way passed the bat. Little technical blemishes like this piss me the hell off. And this is exactly what The Show really nails. In The Show you never see things like this, everything looks good, and everything falls into play like it is supposed to.

            San Diego Studios has the advantage of focusing entirely on the PS3 hardware, and with the help of Sony they can make beautiful looking games. Your claim that The Show is all about graphics isn't entirely true. It also plays very well, and this is why the series is so popular. If the game was all graphics but the gameplay sucked I think that word would have spread pretty quickly. But it hasn't. They have been working on the series for years and it shows. If you went from playing MLB 07 for 5 years and then went straight to MLB 12 you'd be blown away.

            I have been tempted to buy MLB 2k every year it comes out, just to experience a different Baseball game. But until they can tighten up those little glitches and bugs, I won't buy it. I know I'm beating a dead horse here but it is a shame that MVP had to disappear when it was becoming a very polished and tight experience, much like MLB The Show is now.
            The new physics that SCEA added to the Show, really brings what you said true even more. It's lost on a lot of people, but it was a monumental step in the game's development imo.
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            • pistolpete
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              • Jun 2004
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              Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

              Even with simplified controls on the Show you still feel handcuffed on that game. I got both games, but I am going to play my 2012 season of the Show first (just because I started it first) before I really sink my teeth into 2k12.

              The Show wants to be so realistic, but the CPU pitching is simply out of this world. I am playing on rookie, with timing hitting, sliders cranked in my favor and I cannot hit.

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              • bkrich83
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                Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                Originally posted by pistolpete
                The Show wants to be so realistic, but the CPU pitching is simply out of this world. I am playing on rookie, with timing hitting, sliders cranked in my favor and I cannot hit.
                That's not a game or control issue. That's a user issue.

                I am not great at hitting, and last year really struggled at the plate, this year I am playing All Star level with timing and sliders default and crushing the ball.

                In 2k, pitch selection isn't important, in The Show it's critical. Once I figured that out my success at the plate really changed.
                Last edited by bkrich83; 03-11-2012, 12:21 AM.
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                • BlueSkies7776
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                  • Mar 2010
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                  Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                  Originally posted by bkrich83
                  The new physics that SCEA added to the Show, really brings what you said true even more. It's lost on a lot of people, but it was a monumental step in the game's development imo.
                  I agree. If you're a Baseball fan the ball physics ALONE are worth buying MLB 12 for. They are truly amazing and you'll notice it the very first time you hit a grounder.

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                  • rdub78
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                    • Sep 2011
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                    #10
                    Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                    Originally posted by CrazyKitchenGuy
                    The one thing that has stuck out with me after reading a few reviews about The Show is the controls. In each review, they more or less came out saying that you almost need a PhD to fully understand the controls and master them.

                    For me, that is where the 2K series shines. When you have pick up and play controls, that makes a world of difference to a casual gamer like myself. I like being able to sit down and play through a game without even having to look at the manual.

                    Just my thoughts though, so take it for what you will.
                    I have no idea where you read that but its funny.

                    The Show controls are no more complex than 2k's, but the Show gives you a ton of options as to which way you want to pitch and bat and field.

                    Maybe your getting options mixed up with difficulty.

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                    • Clarke99
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                      • Feb 2012
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                      Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                      Ill be happy when theres more to chose from, bored to death of the show, and its going way too far in difficulty and controls.
                      2k is decent but doesnt change much either, liscense is up bring on more games!

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                      • pistolpete
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                        • Jun 2004
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                        Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                        Originally posted by Clarke99
                        Ill be happy when theres more to chose from, bored to death of the show, and its going way too far in difficulty and controls.
                        2k is decent but doesnt change much either, liscense is up bring on more games!
                        I don't get the Show. They completely eliminate the casual gamer by their absurd difficulty. There should be levels you can play on which it's impossible to suck.

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                        • bkrich83
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                          Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                          Originally posted by pistolpete
                          I don't get the Show. They completely eliminate the casual gamer by their absurd difficulty. There should be levels you can play on which it's impossible to suck.
                          lol

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                          • Chalky
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                            Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                            Originally posted by pistolpete
                            I don't get the Show. They completely eliminate the casual gamer by their absurd difficulty. There should be levels you can play on which it's impossible to suck.

                            What exactly would be the point of that game?

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                            • Knight165
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                              Re: My thoughts on the two baseball games

                              Rookie?
                              Really?
                              Even I dominate on Rookie and I'll actually "play" about 10 games a year.
                              Yikes.
                              It's not the game. Sorry.

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