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  • stabmasterb
    Rookie
    • Mar 2003
    • 270

    #1

    am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

    i really can't imagine any baseball simulation fan choosing anything other than asb. i tried em all, wsb was pathetic, they gotta tighten up that stance/swing mechanic interface, i feel like im playing softball. hh is about 7 years behind graphically speaking, i felt like the pitcher was standing on homeplate.

    aside from the catcher's vacume(foul a first pitch into the cachers mit and get rung up, that was brutal), 2004 was tremendous . if i was on the asb production team i would have changed only a few things going into 2005.

    1)i would have made exagerated pitch the default. its much more realistic and new players wouldn't be turned off by the intimidating interface. i see they got a little drastic and made zone hitting the default. thats all good i guess but it in my opinion it was unnecessary. the pitcher hitter battle is perfect with exagerated pitch on. thats right perfect.

    2)make it simple to re-arrange rosters for an exhibition game. never let the computer override a roster move for a mere exibition game. i mean, what the hell was that?

    3)tighten up the animations when a fielder catches a fly on the run, i guess people call it a vacume, i see it more as minor graphical sloppiness. maybe add some more "before the pitch" fielder animations. signature fielding stances(is that silly) i think it could be pretty cool.

    as for new additions,
    drill us with tons of RENAMEABLE complete classic teams. maddens does it espn nhl hockey does it ASB needs to do it. just get the height/weight/batting side/throwing side as well as the attributes for everyone and pitch selection for pitchers and let the GAME OWNER edit the names and numbers. and thats all we need. some dork (god bless their souls) will crank out the names and #'s on shark port and action replay within a week. and let us use the teams and see the names online.

    anyway, if anyone reading this works for acclaim. thak you, for creating the best baseball game ever (well pound for pound the best ever console baseball game was baseball-stars for nintendo). but as for as being the greatest most fun, realistic ball game ever. you beat the competition hands down. you should be proud.
  • diamondw23
    Rookie
    • Sep 2002
    • 151

    #2
    Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

    You're not crazy & trust me... You're not alone.

    Simply giving me a "Behind the pitcher" camera angle (which looks implimented for 2005) will make any minor gripes of mine simply go away...

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    • diamondw23
      Rookie
      • Sep 2002
      • 151

      #3
      Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

      You're not crazy & trust me... You're not alone.

      Simply giving me a "Behind the pitcher" camera angle (which looks implimented for 2005) will make any minor gripes of mine simply go away...

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      • diamondw23
        Rookie
        • Sep 2002
        • 151

        #4
        Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

        You're not crazy & trust me... You're not alone.

        Simply giving me a "Behind the pitcher" camera angle (which looks implimented for 2005) will make any minor gripes of mine simply go away...

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        • mustardman
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 447

          #5
          Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          stabmasterb said:
          i really can't imagine any baseball simulation fan choosing anything other than asb. i tried em all, wsb was pathetic, they gotta tighten up that stance/swing mechanic interface, i feel like im playing softball. hh is about 7 years behind graphically speaking, i felt like the pitcher was standing on homeplate.

          aside from the catcher's vacume(foul a first pitch into the cachers mit and get rung up, that was brutal), 2004 was tremendous . if i was on the asb production team i would have changed only a few things going into 2005.

          1)i would have made exagerated pitch the default. its much more realistic and new players wouldn't be turned off by the intimidating interface. i see they got a little drastic and made zone hitting the default. thats all good i guess but it in my opinion it was unnecessary. the pitcher hitter battle is perfect with exagerated pitch on. thats right perfect.

          2)make it simple to re-arrange rosters for an exhibition game. never let the computer override a roster move for a mere exibition game. i mean, what the hell was that?

          3)tighten up the animations when a fielder catches a fly on the run, i guess people call it a vacume, i see it more as minor graphical sloppiness. maybe add some more "before the pitch" fielder animations. signature fielding stances(is that silly) i think it could be pretty cool.

          as for new additions,
          drill us with tons of RENAMEABLE complete classic teams. maddens does it espn nhl hockey does it ASB needs to do it. just get the height/weight/batting side/throwing side as well as the attributes for everyone and pitch selection for pitchers and let the GAME OWNER edit the names and numbers. and thats all we need. some dork (god bless their souls) will crank out the names and #'s on shark port and action replay within a week. and let us use the teams and see the names online.

          anyway, if anyone reading this works for acclaim. thak you, for creating the best baseball game ever (well pound for pound the best ever console baseball game was baseball-stars for nintendo). but as for as being the greatest most fun, realistic ball game ever. you beat the competition hands down. you should be proud.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          Please be more specific. This is a worn road, as it's been discussed SO many times before. Either you're hard-headed and refuse to believe the truth, or you're new to the scene. Anyhow, are you talking about the ASB 2005 installment coming out, or referring to "look at the cool, blurry baseball cards I can get, and Mom can I put a saddle on one of those fielders and go horseback riding?" version that came out last season? ASB 2004 literally sucked. The ONLY great thing about that game was how pretty the stadiums were. Unfortunately, the cardboard crowds took away some of that beauty.

          If the hitter interface has been much improved, the fielders actually "do something" between plays, the pitches look more realistic, the franchise feature has been redesigned and the silly "kiddy incentives" have been dropped to a lower spot on the totem pole of priorities of how the game is designed, then YES I will purchase the game.

          Otherwise, I'll just pass and either wait or go for the next installment of WSB.

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          • mustardman
            Banned
            • Feb 2003
            • 447

            #6
            Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            stabmasterb said:
            i really can't imagine any baseball simulation fan choosing anything other than asb. i tried em all, wsb was pathetic, they gotta tighten up that stance/swing mechanic interface, i feel like im playing softball. hh is about 7 years behind graphically speaking, i felt like the pitcher was standing on homeplate.

            aside from the catcher's vacume(foul a first pitch into the cachers mit and get rung up, that was brutal), 2004 was tremendous . if i was on the asb production team i would have changed only a few things going into 2005.

            1)i would have made exagerated pitch the default. its much more realistic and new players wouldn't be turned off by the intimidating interface. i see they got a little drastic and made zone hitting the default. thats all good i guess but it in my opinion it was unnecessary. the pitcher hitter battle is perfect with exagerated pitch on. thats right perfect.

            2)make it simple to re-arrange rosters for an exhibition game. never let the computer override a roster move for a mere exibition game. i mean, what the hell was that?

            3)tighten up the animations when a fielder catches a fly on the run, i guess people call it a vacume, i see it more as minor graphical sloppiness. maybe add some more "before the pitch" fielder animations. signature fielding stances(is that silly) i think it could be pretty cool.

            as for new additions,
            drill us with tons of RENAMEABLE complete classic teams. maddens does it espn nhl hockey does it ASB needs to do it. just get the height/weight/batting side/throwing side as well as the attributes for everyone and pitch selection for pitchers and let the GAME OWNER edit the names and numbers. and thats all we need. some dork (god bless their souls) will crank out the names and #'s on shark port and action replay within a week. and let us use the teams and see the names online.

            anyway, if anyone reading this works for acclaim. thak you, for creating the best baseball game ever (well pound for pound the best ever console baseball game was baseball-stars for nintendo). but as for as being the greatest most fun, realistic ball game ever. you beat the competition hands down. you should be proud.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            Please be more specific. This is a worn road, as it's been discussed SO many times before. Either you're hard-headed and refuse to believe the truth, or you're new to the scene. Anyhow, are you talking about the ASB 2005 installment coming out, or referring to "look at the cool, blurry baseball cards I can get, and Mom can I put a saddle on one of those fielders and go horseback riding?" version that came out last season? ASB 2004 literally sucked. The ONLY great thing about that game was how pretty the stadiums were. Unfortunately, the cardboard crowds took away some of that beauty.

            If the hitter interface has been much improved, the fielders actually "do something" between plays, the pitches look more realistic, the franchise feature has been redesigned and the silly "kiddy incentives" have been dropped to a lower spot on the totem pole of priorities of how the game is designed, then YES I will purchase the game.

            Otherwise, I'll just pass and either wait or go for the next installment of WSB.

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            • mustardman
              Banned
              • Feb 2003
              • 447

              #7
              Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              stabmasterb said:
              i really can't imagine any baseball simulation fan choosing anything other than asb. i tried em all, wsb was pathetic, they gotta tighten up that stance/swing mechanic interface, i feel like im playing softball. hh is about 7 years behind graphically speaking, i felt like the pitcher was standing on homeplate.

              aside from the catcher's vacume(foul a first pitch into the cachers mit and get rung up, that was brutal), 2004 was tremendous . if i was on the asb production team i would have changed only a few things going into 2005.

              1)i would have made exagerated pitch the default. its much more realistic and new players wouldn't be turned off by the intimidating interface. i see they got a little drastic and made zone hitting the default. thats all good i guess but it in my opinion it was unnecessary. the pitcher hitter battle is perfect with exagerated pitch on. thats right perfect.

              2)make it simple to re-arrange rosters for an exhibition game. never let the computer override a roster move for a mere exibition game. i mean, what the hell was that?

              3)tighten up the animations when a fielder catches a fly on the run, i guess people call it a vacume, i see it more as minor graphical sloppiness. maybe add some more "before the pitch" fielder animations. signature fielding stances(is that silly) i think it could be pretty cool.

              as for new additions,
              drill us with tons of RENAMEABLE complete classic teams. maddens does it espn nhl hockey does it ASB needs to do it. just get the height/weight/batting side/throwing side as well as the attributes for everyone and pitch selection for pitchers and let the GAME OWNER edit the names and numbers. and thats all we need. some dork (god bless their souls) will crank out the names and #'s on shark port and action replay within a week. and let us use the teams and see the names online.

              anyway, if anyone reading this works for acclaim. thak you, for creating the best baseball game ever (well pound for pound the best ever console baseball game was baseball-stars for nintendo). but as for as being the greatest most fun, realistic ball game ever. you beat the competition hands down. you should be proud.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Please be more specific. This is a worn road, as it's been discussed SO many times before. Either you're hard-headed and refuse to believe the truth, or you're new to the scene. Anyhow, are you talking about the ASB 2005 installment coming out, or referring to "look at the cool, blurry baseball cards I can get, and Mom can I put a saddle on one of those fielders and go horseback riding?" version that came out last season? ASB 2004 literally sucked. The ONLY great thing about that game was how pretty the stadiums were. Unfortunately, the cardboard crowds took away some of that beauty.

              If the hitter interface has been much improved, the fielders actually "do something" between plays, the pitches look more realistic, the franchise feature has been redesigned and the silly "kiddy incentives" have been dropped to a lower spot on the totem pole of priorities of how the game is designed, then YES I will purchase the game.

              Otherwise, I'll just pass and either wait or go for the next installment of WSB.

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              • Cardot
                I'm not on InstantFace.
                • Feb 2003
                • 6164

                #8
                Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

                I did not get ASB this year, because I had last years version and I was simply not quick enough to hit. I loved the stadiums, especially the real time scoreboards. Retro parks were sweet too, and I really liked the commentary. But I could not hit. I practiced, but could never catch up. I had to start my swing before the pitcher even released the ball. I realize that anticipation is a big part of hitting, but it isn't 100% guessing which is what I had to do. Sounds like 2004 added some hitting alternatives. I'll be checking out 2005 for sure.

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                • Cardot
                  I'm not on InstantFace.
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 6164

                  #9
                  Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

                  I did not get ASB this year, because I had last years version and I was simply not quick enough to hit. I loved the stadiums, especially the real time scoreboards. Retro parks were sweet too, and I really liked the commentary. But I could not hit. I practiced, but could never catch up. I had to start my swing before the pitcher even released the ball. I realize that anticipation is a big part of hitting, but it isn't 100% guessing which is what I had to do. Sounds like 2004 added some hitting alternatives. I'll be checking out 2005 for sure.

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                  • Cardot
                    I'm not on InstantFace.
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6164

                    #10
                    Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

                    I did not get ASB this year, because I had last years version and I was simply not quick enough to hit. I loved the stadiums, especially the real time scoreboards. Retro parks were sweet too, and I really liked the commentary. But I could not hit. I practiced, but could never catch up. I had to start my swing before the pitcher even released the ball. I realize that anticipation is a big part of hitting, but it isn't 100% guessing which is what I had to do. Sounds like 2004 added some hitting alternatives. I'll be checking out 2005 for sure.

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                    • I_Love_Piazza
                      Rookie
                      • May 2003
                      • 147

                      #11
                      Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

                      I'm not one who picks arguments easily mustardman, but you and I both know that WSB had some major gameplay issues last year. I had it for almost the entire summer, and by the end of its run on my system I couldn't take it anymore. The OF size was ridiculously small, making any balls hit down the line singles instead of doubles, and the CPU walked me about once in every 5 games. Don't forget how Ty Wigginton turned into a stealing machine with the incredibly easy baserunning system. I'll admit, WSB was a lot more flashy where ASB is weird, but I still take the gameplay over the coolness any day. Coolness can get really old when Piazza steals 2nd on Pudge easily.

                      Lydia

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                      • I_Love_Piazza
                        Rookie
                        • May 2003
                        • 147

                        #12
                        Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

                        I'm not one who picks arguments easily mustardman, but you and I both know that WSB had some major gameplay issues last year. I had it for almost the entire summer, and by the end of its run on my system I couldn't take it anymore. The OF size was ridiculously small, making any balls hit down the line singles instead of doubles, and the CPU walked me about once in every 5 games. Don't forget how Ty Wigginton turned into a stealing machine with the incredibly easy baserunning system. I'll admit, WSB was a lot more flashy where ASB is weird, but I still take the gameplay over the coolness any day. Coolness can get really old when Piazza steals 2nd on Pudge easily.

                        Lydia

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                        • I_Love_Piazza
                          Rookie
                          • May 2003
                          • 147

                          #13
                          Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

                          I'm not one who picks arguments easily mustardman, but you and I both know that WSB had some major gameplay issues last year. I had it for almost the entire summer, and by the end of its run on my system I couldn't take it anymore. The OF size was ridiculously small, making any balls hit down the line singles instead of doubles, and the CPU walked me about once in every 5 games. Don't forget how Ty Wigginton turned into a stealing machine with the incredibly easy baserunning system. I'll admit, WSB was a lot more flashy where ASB is weird, but I still take the gameplay over the coolness any day. Coolness can get really old when Piazza steals 2nd on Pudge easily.

                          Lydia

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                          • stabmasterb
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 270

                            #14
                            Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            mustardman said:
                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            stabmasterb said:
                            i really can't imagine any baseball simulation fan choosing anything other than asb. i tried em all, wsb was pathetic, they gotta tighten up that stance/swing mechanic interface, i feel like im playing softball. hh is about 7 years behind graphically speaking, i felt like the pitcher was standing on homeplate.

                            aside from the catcher's vacume(foul a first pitch into the cachers mit and get rung up, that was brutal), 2004 was tremendous . if i was on the asb production team i would have changed only a few things going into 2005.

                            1)i would have made exagerated pitch the default. its much more realistic and new players wouldn't be turned off by the intimidating interface. i see they got a little drastic and made zone hitting the default. thats all good i guess but it in my opinion it was unnecessary. the pitcher hitter battle is perfect with exagerated pitch on. thats right perfect.

                            2)make it simple to re-arrange rosters for an exhibition game. never let the computer override a roster move for a mere exibition game. i mean, what the hell was that?

                            3)tighten up the animations when a fielder catches a fly on the run, i guess people call it a vacume, i see it more as minor graphical sloppiness. maybe add some more "before the pitch" fielder animations. signature fielding stances(is that silly) i think it could be pretty cool.

                            as for new additions,
                            drill us with tons of RENAMEABLE complete classic teams. maddens does it espn nhl hockey does it ASB needs to do it. just get the height/weight/batting side/throwing side as well as the attributes for everyone and pitch selection for pitchers and let the GAME OWNER edit the names and numbers. and thats all we need. some dork (god bless their souls) will crank out the names and #'s on shark port and action replay within a week. and let us use the teams and see the names online.

                            anyway, if anyone reading this works for acclaim. thak you, for creating the best baseball game ever (well pound for pound the best ever console baseball game was baseball-stars for nintendo). but as for as being the greatest most fun, realistic ball game ever. you beat the competition hands down. you should be proud.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Please be more specific. This is a worn road, as it's been discussed SO many times before. Either you're hard-headed and refuse to believe the truth, or you're new to the scene. Anyhow, are you talking about the ASB 2005 installment coming out, or referring to "look at the cool, blurry baseball cards I can get, and Mom can I put a saddle on one of those fielders and go horseback riding?" version that came out last season? ASB 2004 literally sucked. The ONLY great thing about that game was how pretty the stadiums were. Unfortunately, the cardboard crowds took away some of that beauty.

                            If the hitter interface has been much improved, the fielders actually "do something" between plays, the pitches look more realistic, the franchise feature has been redesigned and the silly "kiddy incentives" have been dropped to a lower spot on the totem pole of priorities of how the game is designed, then YES I will purchase the game.

                            Otherwise, I'll just pass and either wait or go for the next installment of WSB.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">



                            lol, good point about the silly baseball cards certainly we can live without those. but you're talking about things like crowd appearence i'm talking about things like ball and stadium physics. wsb feels like nba jam baseball to me. pitches floating in slow motion. hurried swing mechanicks that look like a film from the 1920's. i think that most people that were turned off by asb just couln't hit the ball, and come up with a bunch of ad hoc reasons why they chose wsb. i tried wsb i felt like i was playing softball.

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                            • stabmasterb
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 270

                              #15
                              Re: am i crazy, how can any baseball gamer not prefer asb?

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              mustardman said:
                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              stabmasterb said:
                              i really can't imagine any baseball simulation fan choosing anything other than asb. i tried em all, wsb was pathetic, they gotta tighten up that stance/swing mechanic interface, i feel like im playing softball. hh is about 7 years behind graphically speaking, i felt like the pitcher was standing on homeplate.

                              aside from the catcher's vacume(foul a first pitch into the cachers mit and get rung up, that was brutal), 2004 was tremendous . if i was on the asb production team i would have changed only a few things going into 2005.

                              1)i would have made exagerated pitch the default. its much more realistic and new players wouldn't be turned off by the intimidating interface. i see they got a little drastic and made zone hitting the default. thats all good i guess but it in my opinion it was unnecessary. the pitcher hitter battle is perfect with exagerated pitch on. thats right perfect.

                              2)make it simple to re-arrange rosters for an exhibition game. never let the computer override a roster move for a mere exibition game. i mean, what the hell was that?

                              3)tighten up the animations when a fielder catches a fly on the run, i guess people call it a vacume, i see it more as minor graphical sloppiness. maybe add some more "before the pitch" fielder animations. signature fielding stances(is that silly) i think it could be pretty cool.

                              as for new additions,
                              drill us with tons of RENAMEABLE complete classic teams. maddens does it espn nhl hockey does it ASB needs to do it. just get the height/weight/batting side/throwing side as well as the attributes for everyone and pitch selection for pitchers and let the GAME OWNER edit the names and numbers. and thats all we need. some dork (god bless their souls) will crank out the names and #'s on shark port and action replay within a week. and let us use the teams and see the names online.

                              anyway, if anyone reading this works for acclaim. thak you, for creating the best baseball game ever (well pound for pound the best ever console baseball game was baseball-stars for nintendo). but as for as being the greatest most fun, realistic ball game ever. you beat the competition hands down. you should be proud.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Please be more specific. This is a worn road, as it's been discussed SO many times before. Either you're hard-headed and refuse to believe the truth, or you're new to the scene. Anyhow, are you talking about the ASB 2005 installment coming out, or referring to "look at the cool, blurry baseball cards I can get, and Mom can I put a saddle on one of those fielders and go horseback riding?" version that came out last season? ASB 2004 literally sucked. The ONLY great thing about that game was how pretty the stadiums were. Unfortunately, the cardboard crowds took away some of that beauty.

                              If the hitter interface has been much improved, the fielders actually "do something" between plays, the pitches look more realistic, the franchise feature has been redesigned and the silly "kiddy incentives" have been dropped to a lower spot on the totem pole of priorities of how the game is designed, then YES I will purchase the game.

                              Otherwise, I'll just pass and either wait or go for the next installment of WSB.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">



                              lol, good point about the silly baseball cards certainly we can live without those. but you're talking about things like crowd appearence i'm talking about things like ball and stadium physics. wsb feels like nba jam baseball to me. pitches floating in slow motion. hurried swing mechanicks that look like a film from the 1920's. i think that most people that were turned off by asb just couln't hit the ball, and come up with a bunch of ad hoc reasons why they chose wsb. i tried wsb i felt like i was playing softball.

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