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[born_bad]

Re: reality check for you all - PLEASE read this

I'm returning my copy tomorrow. I'm also printing out the message from the 2k forums with the e-mail address of 2k tech. I better get my money back.

This is a joke. I was hoping they would have a fix by now. There's no way I'm waiting weeks for them to figure this out. The game is going back and I'm picking up a game that actually works. I'm done with 2k sports until they prove they can release a game that works properly.

[HappyW@*!]

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"long time reader, first time poster"

"you can't read'em unless you log on" So how did you read'em?

[basehead617]

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"you can't read'em unless you log on" So how did you read'em?

sorry, that was scare quote sarcasm. i just have no use for defending against stupid personal accusations.. I thought i'd check this forum for information on the game because i was told it had a lot of hardcore players who actually care about the games and there would probably be a lot of opening day buyers..

I can't take the people on the gamespot, 2k, etc forums.

anyway i am no mole OR fanboy I play MVP and The Show on oldgen sometimes, I buy lots of games and enjoy them all for what they are.

[HappyW@*!]

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LMAO whatever dude. Anyway, by reading these impressions, I saved myself some money.

out.

[kevinpars]

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I just hope some good comes out of this problem and that 2K, MS and some other companies, learn how to utilize the hard drive and make games that don't crash and yet run great.

Also, maybe it is time to rethink the way testing is done, and do some final testing on real world 360's with other games installed to ensure that real world setups don't cause some unknown problem. Obviously, every configuration cannot be tested, but what is the point of testing in an environment that does not match anything that will be used in real world gaming? At least have some 360's with different hardware configurations for testing to ensure that it is not an issue with one of the various DVD or hard drives.

What i am saying is that for whatever reason, the QA process did not work at 2K or at MS. Time to think outside the box. If not, it is just going to benefit the competitors. You can bet that both Sony and EA Sports are enjoying this little problem

[thmst30]

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Oh God, Sony and EA have probably been partying for the last few days. They can't get enough of it I'm sure. However this should wake them up as well and make them realize that they need to do everything they can to make sure this doesn't happen to them as well. Can't you just see it, all the EA employees running around the office completely trashed and singing in their high scratchy voices, "NAH NAH NAH NAH, NAH NAH NAH NAH, HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYEEEEE!!!

As for 2K, they are already in enough financial trouble, this could be the beginning of the end for them.

[StabMasterArson]

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Hey basehead617, how much you make over at 2K? Do they pay you good? I hope so, because you have a helluva "crisis control" situation ahead of you my friend.

I dont doubt for one second that is exactly what this WAS "Crisis control". Iam seeing alot of threads/posts being deleted on the MLB2K6 forums that have shall I say had a poor standing on this game.

[Pared]

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gotta love all these "the show" comparisons


sony's had 6 YEARS to get their game right....heck their first year effort was bagged....remember?

And what does that have to do with the fact that many now have a $60 paperweight?

The game wasn't worth it back then... and people didn't buy it. They worked on their title and it's now (IMO) the best title out there.

2k6 on the other hand... work in progress, if you will. If it's not a finished title like almost EVERYONE feels, they shouldn't be charging full price for it.

[quietcool72]

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You're far more well-versed with the bug issue in various games than I am. But imo I think you're talking about apples and oranges when you try to tie the freeze issue with past bug issues. All games have bugs of some sort or variation. I don't think 2K developers no more purposely released a game with a known freeze issue than I'd think the Madden developers released a football game knowing there was a quicksand glitch - I don't think they're trying to purposely screw consumers, as it's being hinted. I'm not going to speak on MLB, because I don't own it yet - but I've been reading this forum a ton since the game was released. I acknowledge that this freezing issue is huge - possibly huge enough to endanger 2K Sports itself, which would be a shame. But it's their product, their responsibility. But I'd be really curious to know the real extent of the problem - are 50% of people experiencing the freezes? 75%? 25%? 90%? It's really hard to tell because there are so many people that seem to have an agenda -- those of the "MLB 2K6 is the worst game ever created, buy The Show!" persuasion, or mad that MVP isn't around so they're being extremely vocal.

I remember last year you and I were discussing the exclusivity mess in a Madden thread last year, and you said that 2K5 fans were being "babies" and that MVP fans would never react like 2K fans were to the exclusivity announcement. I said it then, and I think it's more prevelant now - people didn't react as vehemently initially because they didn't have their game (MVP) ripped from them in the same way it occurred with NFL 2K. I think now we're seeing it. Let's face it, most of this backlash is exclusivity-related - if there was no exclusivity, there would be a sort of natural "correction" and while people would complain, most would simply turn to The Show or MVP. I'm only throwing this out because I think it's interesting - people were laughed at for talking about boycotts, or petitions. Again, I don't have the game yet so I can't speak to it's issues - this is just all speculation on my part.

Spank,
Nobody "deliberately" has flaws in their game. I don't think a rational human being would suggest that. I know I would never suggest that. I don't think any dev. willingly shoots themselves in the foot like that.

My point is that 2K has gotten the reputation of producing very beautiful yet buggy games. (To be fair, EA has the reputation of producing the same game as last year but with a 5% graphics improvement and a gimmick) Both 2K and EA need to address those concerns- because lets face it, there's a high degree of truth to both.

Every game has bugs- especially with the complexity we expect from our games. That's why I think there's no choice but to adopt the PC "Install game to Hard drive/use disk in tray for copy protection" model. That way there's nothing that cannot be addressed later as problems arise (via patching).

Devs fear that model on consoles because they fear copy protection hacks. Meanwhile, gamers are being victimized by that model because games that mostly play from the DVD-Rom itself are pretty much set in stone on release day, and the only answer devs can give is "Woops. Sorry."

Its not just sports. I know I bought the PC version of Oblivion because I know that it will be patched out the wazzoo. Every Bethesda game usually ends up with gigs worth of patches because the scope of their games is so ambitious. There's no way that I was about to trust that "out of the box" hope on a $60 game for the 360. - at least until console game makers adopt the PC/hardrive model, which is the "golden parachute" that can help...

..provided they have reliable copy protection on the disc and are willing to ship a game that installs 99% of the data on the HD. (Or at least the main executeable file.)

Lets not drudge up the 2K fans are babies thing, because I don't think that was my exact term, and whatever term(s) I used was reserved only for those who were in EA game forums who I felt were given a certain amount of "angry posting latitude" in light of them mourning the loss of NFL 2K for what seemed to be a long while.

The mods disagreed and told me I was wrong. And I was warned.

So lets not go there again, please.

[jwired21]

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i have bought every 2k game out on the 360 thus far! reality CHECK! I love the NBA 2k game and absolutly loved the college hoops game until a patch screwed it for me. I loved my baseball game that I just bought and got to play two full games until I turned it back on today and cannot even play half of one. REALITY CHECK! I am loyal to the 2K brand, but that is wavering big time now. I am not going to shell out more money for a memory card so I can keep reformatting everytime I buy a 2K game. 2K should PAY me to buy a card or better yet, you buy me a card. It's a wonder why 2K struggles. REALITY CHECK.....UNACCEPTABLE!

[hht1901]

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Yea... I love my NBA 2k and NFL 2k series (not much of hockey fan...but heard it's solid game as well)....but they need to get their act together for their baseball series...

[ianx]

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Originally Posted by Jistic
Nice of you to sign up two days ago just in time for damage control!
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Originally Posted by basehead617
"long time reader, first time poster"
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Originally Posted by HappyW@*!
"you can't read'em unless you log on" So how did you read'em?
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Originally Posted by basehead617
sorry, that was scare quote sarcasm. i just have no use for defending against stupid personal accusations.. I thought i'd check this forum for information on the game because i was told it had a lot of hardcore players who actually care about the games and there would probably be a lot of opening day buyers..
I can't take the people on the gamespot, 2k, etc forums.
anyway i am no mole OR fanboy I play MVP and The Show on oldgen sometimes, I buy lots of games and enjoy them all for what they are.


read through all 8 pages and i think this really somes up this entire topic
my profile shows a long time reader with no real posts, 2003 with 6 posts, basehead617 april 2006
also its a joke how every 2k game has flaws, if im not mistaken even the oblivion(not sure of title) game has issues.NBA-crap,CH-crap,MLB-crap=$180 frisbees

[Skyboxer]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jistic
Nice of you to sign up two days ago just in time for damage control!
Quote:
Originally Posted by basehead617
"long time reader, first time poster"
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyW@*!
"you can't read'em unless you log on" So how did you read'em?
Quote:
Originally Posted by basehead617
sorry, that was scare quote sarcasm. i just have no use for defending against stupid personal accusations.. I thought i'd check this forum for information on the game because i was told it had a lot of hardcore players who actually care about the games and there would probably be a lot of opening day buyers..
I can't take the people on the gamespot, 2k, etc forums.
anyway i am no mole OR fanboy I play MVP and The Show on oldgen sometimes, I buy lots of games and enjoy them all for what they are.


read through all 8 pages and i think this really somes up this entire topic
my profile shows a long time reader with no real posts, 2003 with 6 posts, basehead617 april 2006
also its a joke how every 2k game has flaws, if im not mistaken even the oblivion(not sure of title) game has issues.NBA-crap,CH-crap,MLB-crap=$180 frisbees

Oblivion= Probably GOTY
NBA=Best Basketball game probably ever

[Skyboxer]

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If it's not a finished title like almost EVERYONE feels, they shouldn't be charging full price for it.

Agree...
First Madden from EA and now MLB.

[rolltide1017]

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What a way to start your 3rd party exclusive rights deal. My copy of the game has worked fine so far and I'm enjoying the game but, I have always been more of an MVP fan. Here's hopping that MLB gets cold feet and backs out of there deal with 2k. This is the only baseball game on the 360 and many can't even play it. This not only hurts 2k but also the MLB. A down side of exclusive deals. Something goes bad with the game and there is nowhere else for people to turn to with the MLB brand on it. MLB can't be enjoying this. Right now it seems as if they signed the wrong dev.