No CitiField at Shea Stadium in MLB 2K8

[K_GUN]

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from the 08 demo the show (Fenway)


behind LF (beyond the buildings ) they have hills as part of the background.....about where one should find the Charles River, not the hills you see

the show has its issues too

as we all learned 2 weeks ago...<I>Perfection</I> is VERY hard to achieve

[Artman22]

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Hm! That is funny. I wonder what team in the Majors has the biggest play role every year and haven't won a World Series in about 7 years? I also, wonder if that would be considering choking.

Hey Scott I didnt know u were a fustrated fan LOL. Don't tell me your a met fan?

[Scottdau]

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Hey Scott I didnt know u were a fustrated fan LOL. Don't tell me your a met fan?

No I like the Giants. I just thought it was funny what you said about the Mets choking. Though I will say one thing at least you have seen some championship in your life time with your team!

[mjb2124]

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Maybe it's because I'm only a casual baseball fan, but I don't get it. While 2K6 sucked, many people including myself thought 2K7 was a pretty good game. Or geez at least a decent game. I think it's safe to say 2K7 was a better baseball game than Live or Madden were basketball/football games respectively. And even then I don't know that people nitpicked those games to the level this game gets nitpicked.

It's probably that you're a casual baseball gamer and possibly not in tune with the game or stat driven aspect of the game as much as some of us are. 2K7 looked great, but it was pretty average on the field. The bat on ball physics possibly being my biggest gripe. It was a fun game, but not a solid game IMO.

Madden definitely got nitpicked as much as this game. I don't think there's a game out there that gets nitpicked more than Madden....and rightfully so as it hasn't delivered yet.

I can understand how missing a background building structure may be a "sign of neglect" to some, but that's kinda pushing it imo. To my understanding both games aren't going to be exactly the same; one's going to have things the other doesn't. I've read people saying things like superstar players' stances being somewhat off - it's okay for that to be the case w/The Show, but not okay for 2K8? I've read people making a big deal about the minor league players/stadiums and the amount of detail/lack of detail; I haven't heard of minor league teams/stadiums being mentioned for The Show. I guess minor leagues are a big issue to some because they were in MVP. And I've seen people trying to compare how the minor leagues stack up to the real life minor league venues. If they aren't in The Show I could care less - but shouldn't that be factored in when people are talking leveling charges that 2K's lazy, did nothing from last year, or doesn't care? I'm really the last person to be speaking on baseball games, but things seem pretty disproportionate from my perspective.

I can't really comment on these features as none of them matter much to me. I'm just guessing as to what others think. Signature stances/pitching motions, perfect stadiums, minor leagues....ehhh....not interested. I played maybe 2-3 minor league games in MVP 05. It's just not something I care about.

I understand your point, but I think much has to do with what some care about. Most baseball people on I know on these boards don't care as much about the fluff as much as they care about a true representation of baseball from a stat and gameplay perspective. IMO, 2K delivers on the fluff, but not on the gameplay. At least that's the way it's been in the past. Who knows this year, but I'm not going to waste $60 on it without trying the demo first (which is something I did in the past).

lol I can't count the number of people that say APF sucks. Read OS's reviews of both games and it's easy to see how differently both were approached from a review standpoint. APF was getting blasted way before it came out in part because it didn't have a franchise mode, or people couldn't customize it to make it a NFL game. Maybe you're talking about 2K5 - but when both 2K5 and Madden were out, it was debateable as to which one was better. 2K5's profile grew in part because of the exclusivity situation.

I was talking about 2K5. It was widely recognized on OS as the better game. Madden has since been compared to that and has been bashed relentlessly every year since then. I'm not saying bashing it isn't without due, but it's much worse than anything I've seen on this forum. Remember I used to run these forums so I saw everything that was going on and kept track of all the locked threads/infractions/warnings/cellings etc... What's happening on this forum now is a cakewalk compared to the Madden forums before release.

I honestly don't know where you stand, but I get the impression you're a big 2K fan and maybe that's where all of this comes from. Me? I don't care who publishes a game as I don't have any stake in any of these companies. I just know what I like and the only next-gen sports game that has delivered is The Show (out of Madden, NCAA, Tiger Woods, MLB2K series, Fight Night).

[spankdatazz22]

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It's probably that you're a casual baseball gamer and possibly not in tune with the game or stat driven aspect of the game as much as some of us are. 2K7 looked great, but it was pretty average on the field. The bat on ball physics possibly being my biggest gripe. It was a fun game, but not a solid game IMO.

Madden definitely got nitpicked as much as this game. I don't think there's a game out there that gets nitpicked more than Madden....and rightfully so as it hasn't delivered yet.

Yes, I figure it's my lack of understanding is why I can't appreciate some of the somewhat extreme nature of the criticisms. Completely disagree w/you regarding Madden's criticisms though - Madden's been down so long people would do backflips as long as the game's competent. Hence TXB's declaring it's gameplay rated a "9.8" this year. There's no reason to nitpick because the game has major issues to pick at. Here, minor issues are made into major ones.

I can't really comment on these features as none of them matter much to me. I'm just guessing as to what others think. Signature stances/pitching motions, perfect stadiums, minor leagues....ehhh....not interested. I played maybe 2-3 minor league games in MVP 05. It's just not something I care about.

I understand your point, but I think much has to do with what some care about. Most baseball people on I know on these boards don't care as much about the fluff as much as they care about a true representation of baseball from a stat and gameplay perspective. IMO, 2K delivers on the fluff, but not on the gameplay. At least that's the way it's been in the past. Who knows this year, but I'm not going to waste $60 on it without trying the demo first (which is something I did in the past).

Well apparently it matters to some/many hardcore baseball fans, as I've read some of the critiques on batting stances, throwing motions, etc. Or how the minor leagues are being depicted. I agree w/you that these things are largely extra icing to the cake - but I don't understand how the "fluff" can matter little to the overall package The Show delivers, while being made to be major issues when it comes to MLB2K.

I was talking about 2K5. It was widely recognized on OS as the better game. Madden has since been compared to that and has been bashed relentlessly every year since then. I'm not saying bashing it isn't without due, but it's much worse than anything I've seen on this forum. Remember I used to run these forums so I saw everything that was going on and kept track of all the locked threads/infractions/warnings/cellings etc... What's happening on this forum now is a cakewalk compared to the Madden forums before release.

I honestly don't know where you stand, but I get the impression you're a big 2K fan and maybe that's where all of this comes from. Me? I don't care who publishes a game as I don't have any stake in any of these companies. I just know what I like and the only next-gen sports game that has delivered is The Show (out of Madden, NCAA, Tiger Woods, MLB2K series, Fight Night).

I remember how things were a few years ago when 2K and Madden were going at it. But I remember differently - it wasn't like 2K5 was definitively the better game at the time; you could easily get a Madden fan to make the argument why Madden 05 was better. Hell, there are still people that say the game was $20 "for a reason" - and it was much worse then. In retrospect, 2K5 is now held up as the greatest football game ever. But I owned both, and liked both for varying reasons. And as I've said, I think 2K5's legacy benefited in part because of what followed it. Yes, I'm primarily a 2K fan - but that doesn't make me blind to their games' issues. I purchased The Show '06 (PS2) largely based off everything I was reading here in these forums - and found out it just wasn't for me. I didn't come in complaining, or voicing my issues w/the game - just chalked it up to not "getting" it. No different than me not getting Oblivion - that doesn't diminish me acknowledging it's greatness.

I have a hard time believing MLB2K8 is anywhere near as bad as some are trying to portray it, especially when the complaints center around ever-so-slightly-off batting stances or missing background buildings

[baa7]

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I have a hard time believing MLB2K8 is anywhere near as bad as some are trying to portray it, especially when the complaints center around ever-so-slightly-off batting stances or missing background buildings

It took 29 paragraphs to say that? And god knows what APF's missing franchise mode and Madden review ratings have to do with someone wanting to see a specific backdrop in the game. Why not just say OMG!!! Who the heck cares?!?! and get it over with?

Go back and re-read the OP's original request: I'm just wondering, would 2K release a downloadable Shea Stadium with CitiField in the background. You telling me that has ANYTHING to do with, as you put it, people trying to portray MLB 2K8 as a bad game?

[capa]

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My take on all this talk is if people are complaining about graphics and artifacts outside the stadium, and sometimes a mile away in real life, we are in pretty good shape. Never in a million years would I have thought people would be ticked off on how things look outside the field of play. My opinion is it is ridiculous. But that's just my opinion.

If it has gotten to this point, some of us have too much time on our hands.

C

[K_GUN]

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My take on all this talk is if people are complaining about graphics and artifacts outside the stadium, and sometimes a mile away in real life, we are in pretty good shape. Never in a million years would I have thought people would be ticked off on how things look outside the field of play. My opinion is it is ridiculous. But that's just my opinion.

If it has gotten to this point, some of us have too much time on our hands.

C

i agree


i come from the <I>atari 2600 & commodore 64 (load *,8,1)</I> days...so...while i notice things here & there in video games (and comment on them) I just don't let it chap my arse

[spankdatazz22]

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It took 29 paragraphs to say that? And god knows what APF's missing franchise mode and Madden review ratings have to do with someone wanting to see a specific backdrop in the game. Why not just say OMG!!! Who the heck cares?!?! and get it over with?

Go back and re-read the OP's original request: I'm just wondering, would 2K release a downloadable Shea Stadium with CitiField in the background. You telling me that has ANYTHING to do with, as you put it, people trying to portray MLB 2K8 as a bad game?

Obviously no. It was insinuated that my "bias" may make me look at things skewed so I attempted to explain my view. And my posts had as much to do with the overall tone of the this forum in general. As I thought I've said time and time again.

And I think someone did essentially say "who the hell cares about [blank]?" and ended up apologizing for the way it was said because people apparantly are such sticklers for these little details - sometimes, at least. No need to have selective memory to make points

Very well said Capa btw - and in 50 fewer paragraphs than I was struggling to say it

[baa7]

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And my posts had as much to do with the overall tone of the this forum in general.

No need to have selective memory to make points

The overall tone of this forum is there are several posters who apparently would love to be hired as OS mods, seeing they end spending more time commenting on people's comments, than they do on the game. Funny how this thread turned into a running commentary on this same issue... as one obvious example.

Why not just stick to the topic at hand? The OP asked a specific question. Will 2K provide a download to update stadiums, mid-year? The answer is quite probably not. No need for selective topic interpretation, just to make points. Start a new thread if you care to expound on the somewhat extreme nature of the 2K8 criticisms.

[mjb2124]

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Yes, I figure it's my lack of understanding is why I can't appreciate some of the somewhat extreme nature of the criticisms. Completely disagree w/you regarding Madden's criticisms though - Madden's been down so long people would do backflips as long as the game's competent. Hence TXB's declaring it's gameplay rated a "9.8" this year. There's no reason to nitpick because the game has major issues to pick at. Here, minor issues are made into major ones.

I guess it depends on what one deems a major or a minor issue. Some things people thought were major in Madden, I saw as minor and vice versa. Same with this game. Some people didn't care in past years that the hitting model was basically broken (ie: timing only and bat/ball physics didn't seem to have much rhyme or reason) and didn't care that pitching was incredibly easy to hit spots (ie: I only walked hitters when I did so intentionally). Those things bothered me. What it all boils down to is an opinion on what one wants in a game. Truth be told, I don't pay much attention to what a website rates a game. Ratings are subjective and often influenced by the outside. So TXB saying Madden was a 9.8 is really quite meaningless, no?

Well apparently it matters to some/many hardcore baseball fans, as I've read some of the critiques on batting stances, throwing motions, etc. Or how the minor leagues are being depicted. I agree w/you that these things are largely extra icing to the cake - but I don't understand how the "fluff" can matter little to the overall package The Show delivers, while being made to be major issues when it comes to MLB2K.

Difference of opinion I suppose. Like I mentioned before, some like fluff....some like gameplay. Maybe some that play MLB2K are looking more for the fluff and that's why it matters more to the overall package? Frankly, I don't know as none of it matters to me. For 2 straight years 2K has screwed up the CF grass area at PNC Park, but this is the first time I've mentioned it on these forums. It just doesn't bother me much.

I remember how things were a few years ago when 2K and Madden were going at it. But I remember differently - it wasn't like 2K5 was definitively the better game at the time; you could easily get a Madden fan to make the argument why Madden 05 was better. Hell, there are still people that say the game was $20 "for a reason" - and it was much worse then. In retrospect, 2K5 is now held up as the greatest football game ever. But I owned both, and liked both for varying reasons. And as I've said, I think 2K5's legacy benefited in part because of what followed it. Yes, I'm primarily a 2K fan - but that doesn't make me blind to their games' issues. I purchased The Show '06 (PS2) largely based off everything I was reading here in these forums - and found out it just wasn't for me. I didn't come in complaining, or voicing my issues w/the game - just chalked it up to not "getting" it. No different than me not getting Oblivion - that doesn't diminish me acknowledging it's greatness.

I guess we talked to different people. The staff at OS readily felt 2K5 was the much better game and that's what most of us played. Of course, it had it's problems like all games, but it felt more like football and did more correctly as compared to Madden (which is how I feel about The Show compared to the 2K series).

I have a hard time believing MLB2K8 is anywhere near as bad as some are trying to portray it, especially when the complaints center around ever-so-slightly-off batting stances or missing background buildings

I don't think anyone knows how good/bad MLB2K8 is going to be considering none of us have played it. I agree about minor complaints, but I guess I don't see or have not interpreted the minor complaints equaling the game being terrible. Of course, much still needs to be seen. The batting/pitching interface received a MUCH needed major overhaul. It got that so we'll have to see how that works out. If I didn't have The Show and a PS3, my biggest concern for this game would be the difficulties in implementing a new pitching/hitting model in one year and getting it to be perfect while also updating the AI/gameplay/franchise. That's a lot of work in a short period of time. I guess we'll all find out when/if a demo is released.

So, do you think this thread has been derailed enough?

[mjb2124]

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The overall tone of this forum is there are several posters who apparently would love to be hired as OS mods, seeing they end spending more time commenting on people's comments, than they do on the game. Funny how this thread turned into a running commentary on this same issue... as one obvious example.

I know you aren't new to forums so this should not be much of a surprise to you. It's the nature of the beast and has been this way....oh, ever since forums were created.

PS - For those that want to be "hired" as mods, they might want to think twice. It's a thankless volunteering gig where they're criticized for what they do and what they do not do.

[spankdatazz22]

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So, do you think this thread has been derailed enough?

Yep. I'll be silent. And I definitely have no desire to be a mod, if that's what was being insinuated by the other dude. I can appreciate the job they have to do, always have. Was attempting to point out the differences in how the forums are modded (which should be expected, I guess)

btw, I don't think TXB giving Madden a 9.8 is meaningless, I think the opposite. Especially when you have Peter Moore citing Metacritic ratings as proof to the quality/overall perception of the game

[CMH]

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PS - For those that want to be "hired" as mods, they might want to think twice. It's a thankless volunteering gig where they're criticized for what they do and what they do not do.

Hmm, sounds like regular life to me.

[mjb2124]

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btw, I don't think TXB giving Madden a 9.8 is meaningless, I think the opposite. Especially when you have Peter Moore citing Metacritic ratings as proof to the quality/overall perception of the game

Never thought of that. Good point. If EA is relying on those ratings much further past PR numbers, then they are really making a big mistake.