Quick Question regarding hitting?

[maverick3176]

Re: Quick Question regarding hitting?

I look at it in 2 ways. One way is great. They simplified things and that's what I think they need to do to get hitting in games right. I noticed in some games I just simply can not hit the high fastball because naturally I move the left analog stick down in the zone. Anything down in the zone I hit hard. Also if somebody throws a nasty sinker I can just sit on it by pressing down and I will be too much rewarded. The way it seems it's going to work with this timing only is obviously crucial timing but more importantly how good the pitch was and the location. Good pitching beats good hitting I think everybody knows that. There are some pitches that are just simply unhittable if they are thrown "perfect" and this can not be implemented correctly if you are moving the left analog stick in the right direction. You are rewarded too much just for your placement of the stick. Pitching controls hitting it's the way it always has and always will be. I think we are going to see great results with this. Also I think it's good because they increased the timing window by I think I read 12-16 frames or something like that. We should not only see accurate results but a huge variety of hit types and "out" types if you will.

On the other hand I am a little concerned about swings and misses and how they did that. I know a lot has to do with attributes but is that it?? I'm not sure how that's going to be but I have a lot of confidence that it's going to play a solid realistic game of baseball. These obviously are just assumptions and I hope I'm right. Can't wait to try it out myself to actually see how it all plays out though.

yes good pitching beats good hitting...but good pitching isnt just throwing an unhittable pitch over and over (mariano rivera being the one partial exception).

Lets take Beckett...great heater, greater curve...each individual pitch is hittable...if that was all he threw...even if he located in the perfect spot.

Its mixing speeds mixing locations and hitting those different locations that make a pitch awsome....take Johan Santana....greatest changeup, seemingly unhittable...wrong....its only unhittable because his fastball is so good that you need to protect against it.

The point is that having to aim at a pitch makes it so that some pitches are unhittable...your difficulty with a high fastball speaks to that...now if you ever started hitting the high fastball then the curve would become tougher to hit....even with a fastball...up and in could be tough, but if you start to time it...the low and away heater is tough to get to. This important dynamic of pitching is totally taken away if the hitter cant aim. So by making the hitting "bad" imo they take away from the pitching. Its a game killer for me. But that is just me apparently some can overlook this

[baa7]

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I have soooooooooo many issues with the hitting system...it actually drove me to buy a PS3 and The show

Oh, so you like The Show?

I have issues with button swinging/hit-influence hitting in 2K. Maybe the worst system ever in a basbeall game, and it's coming back untouched -- exactly the same as last year. But swing stick looks to be innovative, and something to at least try out. Not you of course -- I'm talking to the people here who are actually interested in 2K baseball to some degree at least.

[baa7]

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Its a game killer for me.

Not 100% game killer apparently, or you wouldn't be hanging around here.

Unless you're here for the cookies. Yes, that must be what it is.

[maverick3176]

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Oh, so you like The Show?

I have issues with button swinging/hit-influence hitting in 2K. Maybe the worst system ever in a basbeall game, and it's coming back untouched -- exactly the same as last year. But swing stick looks to be innovative, and something to at least try out. Not you of course -- I'm talking to the people here who are actually interested in 2K baseball to some degree at least.

swing stick one day will be the best hitting system ever...as soon as you can aim with it. Until then...well i would rather a button pressing feature with a swing. It is simple to me.

Hitting = Timing + Aiming

2K Hitting = Timing

The Show = Timing + aiming

Now the timing for 2K is way better no doubt but unfortunately they are missing a critical feature. Which disrupts not only hitting but also the strategy behind pitching. Now being that the pitching hitting duel makes up over 66% of gameplay...to me 66% of this game is totally out of whack.

I think that if they add aiming it fixes soooooooo many things.

When they figure this out I suggest that they call the game the Duel...could be MLB2K10 The Duel...lol.

Here is the thing...the game that mixes swing stick with aiming will be the best game ever imo...but the pressure isnt on the Show...the have 2 elements down. Its on 2K to step up imo. But...in the end...it is just my opinion...and I know I am very critical of baseball videogames.

[maverick3176]

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Not 100% game killer apparently, or you wouldn't be hanging around here.

Unless you're here for the cookies. Yes, that must be what it is.

ease up on being a obnoxious we can save that stuff for the modless 2K boards but lets keep it civil here

[baa7]

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ease up on being a obnoxious

Oh, it's a serious question, obnoxiousness aside. Why are you even here?

[baa7]

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swing stick one day will be the best hitting system ever...as soon as you can aim with it.

I agree. And I'm hoping Curly Brinkman... sorry, I mean Ben, will stop goofing around with timed-only and give us zone hitting with it as well. With apologies to anyone I might offend, timed-only hitting is for kids. I can't fathom why 2K would even consider going this route. Hopefully that will change next year. And I'll rent 2K8, but I will not buy it until I try it out for myself. If it's as simplistic and easy as last year, it'll be a no-purchase for me again.

[lived]

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The biggest thing is knowing if you can influence the flyball to groundball. It be pretty **** if you can't hit a sac fly

[maverick3176]

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Oh, it's a serious question, obnoxiousness aside. Why are you even here?

why do you care...do you ask everyone here that question.


but if you must know i am baseball fan and a baseball videogame fan.

Think of it like this I am a movie critic. A good movie critic loves movies and watches all movies and follows movies ...even bad ones. Sometimes good ideas come from bad movies.

have you ever seen Johnny Numonic (wrong spelling) with Keanu Reeves....if you havent, its ok it was horrible...but in it you can see the seed of what makes the Matrix work. so think of me as.

I view 2K as Johnny Numonic. To me The Show is kinda like the movie Gladiator...it isnt doing anything original it is just reall perfecting some things that were done in previous genres. So Putting it all together, 2K is currently like Johnny Numonic. It is inferior to Gladiator in every possible way. However, Johnny Neumonic if re-done could become the Matrix, which is ground breaking.

[baa7]

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why do you care...do you ask everyone here that question.

I ask if someone obviously despises the game. You seem to despise the game. I never visit the Madden forums because I despise that game. And if I went there and started talking about how bad it was, and saying nothing positive about it, I would expect people to ask me what I was doing there. It's a valid question at that point.

[baa7]

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I view 2K as Johnny Numonic. To me The Show is kinda like the movie Gladiator...it isnt doing anything original it is just reall perfecting some things that were done in previous genres. So Putting it all together, 2K is currently like Johnny Numonic. It is inferior to Gladiator in every possible way. However, Johnny Neumonic if re-done could become the Matrix, which is ground breaking.

Okay. Not sure I follow the logic, but thanks for the explanation.

[Chad Rogers]

Re: Quick Question regarding hitting?

Maverik is a huge 2k basher and non-stop troll on the 2k forums. He's just trying gently here to push buttons, but for those of us who go to both forums we are well aware of his game. No offense to anyone, but it's very funny to see the difference between the forums.

[maverick3176]

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Maverik is a huge 2k basher and non-stop troll on the 2k forums. He's just trying gently here to push buttons, but for those of us who go to both forums we are well aware of his game. No offense to anyone, but it's very funny to see the difference between the forums.

I dont understand how people who having nothing to offer to a board but to call someone a troll or a fanboy can consider themselves anything more than a troll or a fanboy. I have actually contributed to the discussion...what have you done. What is your last post other than trolling. Think about it.

there is a difference in the forums because there are mods here and this board is respected because devs come here. I respect this board so I wont flame you...if this were 2K you would be feeling stupid after my post

[davewins]

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yes good pitching beats good hitting...but good pitching isnt just throwing an unhittable pitch over and over (mariano rivera being the one partial exception).

Lets take Beckett...great heater, greater curve...each individual pitch is hittable...if that was all he threw...even if he located in the perfect spot.

Its mixing speeds mixing locations and hitting those different locations that make a pitch awsome....take Johan Santana....greatest changeup, seemingly unhittable...wrong....its only unhittable because his fastball is so good that you need to protect against it.

The point is that having to aim at a pitch makes it so that some pitches are unhittable...your difficulty with a high fastball speaks to that...now if you ever started hitting the high fastball then the curve would become tougher to hit....even with a fastball...up and in could be tough, but if you start to time it...the low and away heater is tough to get to. This important dynamic of pitching is totally taken away if the hitter cant aim. So by making the hitting "bad" imo they take away from the pitching. Its a game killer for me. But that is just me apparently some can overlook this

I think you have valid points. I just think you need to wait (as I do) and actually try the game out before you are so sure. I love The Show and EVERYTHING about the game. I just don't like how I am late on fastballs inside and middle of the plate and still hit them very hard the other way. Majority of my HR's in The Show are the other way. Everything else about the game I am in LOVE with. Everybody has their own views and opinions and that's completley fine but one thing I think you should try is just that: Try the game.

I just don't like how in other games I can move the left analog stick in the right spot and I am rewarded too much for it. If 2k does this right with a bigger timing window meaning your timing is very important and how good of a "swing" you put on the ball with the swing stick then it can be great even though it's just timing based. In real life batters don't really need to do much thinking when it comes to putting bat on ball. It's all a reaction in a split second. Yes they can miss of course even if their timing is good. This is where we will have to wait and see how it happens. If I bat with Adam Dunn opposed to Ichiro I hope there is a big difference in terms of making contact with the ball. I hope my timing has to be much more crucial with Dunn.

I don't think there is one hitting system that we can really satisfy everybody. Would I like to try a good zone hitting system with timing?? Yeah definetley! I would like to place the left stick somewhat but not in all 9 zones because in the very brief amount of time it's hard to get the exact zone out of 9 and swing with excellent timing. I think when games have a 9 zone system they really make the timing less crucial to make the game more accessible.

[davewins]

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why do you care...do you ask everyone here that question.


but if you must know i am baseball fan and a baseball videogame fan.

Think of it like this I am a movie critic. A good movie critic loves movies and watches all movies and follows movies ...even bad ones. Sometimes good ideas come from bad movies.

have you ever seen Johnny Numonic (wrong spelling) with Keanu Reeves....if you havent, its ok it was horrible...but in it you can see the seed of what makes the Matrix work. so think of me as.

I view 2K as Johnny Numonic. To me The Show is kinda like the movie Gladiator...it isnt doing anything original it is just reall perfecting some things that were done in previous genres. So Putting it all together, 2K is currently like Johnny Numonic. It is inferior to Gladiator in every possible way. However, Johnny Neumonic if re-done could become the Matrix, which is ground breaking.

I honestly agree with some of your points. You have some good valid arguments against 2k's hitting model but what I don't understand is how sure you are on how it's going to play and what the results are going to be. For all we know this could be the most realistic playing (stats wise) game to date. I like what I am reading about guys like Ichiro with perfect timing will never be hitting 450 ft bombs but Ortiz will have more of a chance to pop balls in the air. I think there's a fine line between user control of an at bat and who the batter is. Afterall we are controlling the guys, sure, but the guys playing are the ones that have the tendencies and the chances to hit a certain way. I hope you understand what I mean by that. Either way let's have are own views and respect eachothers views but at least agree on one thing and that's that we have not even played a single game of 2k yet demo or full version.