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  • Drag66
    Pro
    • Mar 2003
    • 758

    #121
    Re: VC close on a deal

    Originally posted by brendanrfoley
    No, there isn't choice. Besides Sony's MLB series, not one first party publisher is making a baseball game. Nintendo has no interest, and Microsoft dissolved its sports division.

    So, there's a choice if you own a PS2/PS3. But, if you own a XBox/XBox 2 or GameCube/Revolution, you have NO choice but ESPN. For owners of those systems, this is EXACTLY like the Madden scenario; one game or bust.



    You're making a lot of assumptions. How are you sure people WILL buy those games? There are plenty of people who aren't big fans of Sega's baseball, and even more who dislike Sony's. Buying a baseball title just becuase you really want one, but being unhappy with it isn't quality gaming.

    My point was, and is, a MLB TakeTwo exclusive eliminates the number one selling baseball franchise in the market. EA's NFL deal killed off the minority (though a growing minority), TakeTwo's deal kills the majority. There's a difference; you should be able to see it.



    That's not what I said, or even suggested.

    What I said is, in my opinion, this deal kills a quality title and leaves a lot of fans in the dust. It hrts gamers, plain and simple.

    I hate the dichotomy in this situation. So many people were angry with EA for the NFL deal, but think TakeTwo's deal is brilliant. Both deals have the same impact on the gaming community, and the double standard is repulsive.
    Believe me, I am not saying it is good for us gamers, all I am saying is that Take Two's deal is less restrictive because Microsoft and Sony can still make baseball games. If you hate Sega's offering, buy 989's and vice versa. With EA's deal it is Madden or nothing. Hence, no choice.

    I understand your statement regarding the consoles, but do you really think Microsoft won't do something baseball wise if this deal goes through? I sure as heck think they will do something. Plus, consoles are pretty dirt cheap right now (new and used). You can buy a console instead of buying 2 or 3 games. I have a PS2 and XBOX and so do many others I know. As for the next gen systems, I see your point (they will be expensive), but I believe Microsoft will step up to the plate (no pun intended).

    As for my argument regarding MVP players buying another game if the deal goes through, I loved ESPN NFL 2k5 last year, but I am buying Madden this year because it is the only game in town. I assume you loved MVP, so then you will just play the 2005 version for the remainder of Take Two's MLB deal? I think most people will buy a new baseball game each year. Hey, I loved the ASB franchise, but Acclaim's dissolution will not prevent me from buying Sega's or Sony's game this year. I will admit I didn't like MVP last year, but I do not want to see it eliminated. I am not a fanboy and I love the fact that we used to have choice. I pick the game I like best regardless of who makes it.

    We can discuss this all day regarding which deal is better, but the reality is that they both suck. The elimination of any competition (whether it be the highest seller or lowest seller) affects quality and in the end, hurts us.

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    • NINJAK2
      *S *dd*ct
      • Jan 2003
      • 6185

      #122
      Re: VC close on a deal

      Originally posted by brendanrfoley
      From a business perspective, TakeTwo's move is WORSE than EA's.

      I'm an ESPN Football guy, but EA eliminated the number two game in the market. There are more Madden fans than ESPN -- less people are effected.

      But a 3rd Party MLB exclusive to TakeTwo eliminates the number 1 baseball game in the marketplace.

      TakeTwo's move takes from the majority, so I think it's pretty bad.

      The bottom line, EA started a war with licensing, TakeTwo is responding, and gamers lose in BOTH cases.
      Give me a break man. EA's deal says NO ONE ELSE can make an NFL game while TT's potential deal leaves the window open for atleast 1st party dev/pub. Exclusive deals like this suck, but unfortunately the NFL got the ball rolling on this type of practice. EA, VC, Midway, have no real choice at this point to secure their titles other than to aquire these exclusive rights unfortunately as the NFL has set this in motion. While I understood the business side of the EA/NFL deal, i knew the ramifications such a deal would have on the sports gaming market.

      While quite a few here voiced their disapproval of the EA deal, there were a few who wanted to do their best interpretation of Donald Trump and marvel at the move and celebrate the business side. Well some of those people are possibly getting a personal view of what it feels like to have your favorite game possibly decapitated by this type of deal (Espn NFL 2k fans and MVP fans). It sucks for gamers plain and simple.
      EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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      • NINJAK2
        *S *dd*ct
        • Jan 2003
        • 6185

        #123
        Re: VC close on a deal

        Originally posted by brendanrfoley
        From a business perspective, TakeTwo's move is WORSE than EA's.

        I'm an ESPN Football guy, but EA eliminated the number two game in the market. There are more Madden fans than ESPN -- less people are effected.

        But a 3rd Party MLB exclusive to TakeTwo eliminates the number 1 baseball game in the marketplace.

        TakeTwo's move takes from the majority, so I think it's pretty bad.

        The bottom line, EA started a war with licensing, TakeTwo is responding, and gamers lose in BOTH cases.
        Give me a break man. EA's deal says NO ONE ELSE can make an NFL game while TT's potential deal leaves the window open for atleast 1st party dev/pub. Exclusive deals like this suck, but unfortunately the NFL got the ball rolling on this type of practice. EA, VC, Midway, have no real choice at this point to secure their titles other than to aquire these exclusive rights unfortunately as the NFL has set this in motion. While I understood the business side of the EA/NFL deal, i knew the ramifications such a deal would have on the sports gaming market.

        While quite a few here voiced their disapproval of the EA deal, there were a few who wanted to do their best interpretation of Donald Trump and marvel at the move and celebrate the business side. Well some of those people are possibly getting a personal view of what it feels like to have your favorite game possibly decapitated by this type of deal (Espn NFL 2k fans and MVP fans). It sucks for gamers plain and simple.
        EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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        • brendanrfoley
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 1552

          #124
          Re: VC close on a deal

          Originally posted by Drag66
          If you hate Sega's offering, buy 989's and vice versa. With EA's deal it is Madden or nothing. Hence, no choice.
          Again, you can only do that if you own Sony's system.

          Originally posted by Drag66
          I understand your statement regarding the consoles, but do you really think Microsoft won't do something baseball wise if this deal goes through? I sure as heck think they will do something.
          As far as MS doing something, I don't think they will. They collapsed their current XBox sports division -- and it would cost a pretty penny to start it back up.

          Originally posted by Drag66
          I assume you loved MVP, so then you will just play the 2005 version for the remainder of Take Two's MLB deal? I think most people will buy a new baseball game each year.
          Actually, I'm lucky in this case -- I own a PS2 and think the MLB series is on the right track.



          Originally posted by Drag66
          We can discuss this all day regarding which deal is better, but the reality is that they both suck. The elimination of any competition (whether it be the highest seller or lowest seller) affects quality and in the end, hurts us.
          Amen.

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          • brendanrfoley
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 1552

            #125
            Re: VC close on a deal

            Originally posted by Drag66
            If you hate Sega's offering, buy 989's and vice versa. With EA's deal it is Madden or nothing. Hence, no choice.
            Again, you can only do that if you own Sony's system.

            Originally posted by Drag66
            I understand your statement regarding the consoles, but do you really think Microsoft won't do something baseball wise if this deal goes through? I sure as heck think they will do something.
            As far as MS doing something, I don't think they will. They collapsed their current XBox sports division -- and it would cost a pretty penny to start it back up.

            Originally posted by Drag66
            I assume you loved MVP, so then you will just play the 2005 version for the remainder of Take Two's MLB deal? I think most people will buy a new baseball game each year.
            Actually, I'm lucky in this case -- I own a PS2 and think the MLB series is on the right track.



            Originally posted by Drag66
            We can discuss this all day regarding which deal is better, but the reality is that they both suck. The elimination of any competition (whether it be the highest seller or lowest seller) affects quality and in the end, hurts us.
            Amen.

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            • steveeee
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 843

              #126
              Re: VC close on a deal

              But a 3rd Party MLB exclusive to TakeTwo eliminates the number 1 baseball game in the marketplace.
              What? maybe last year.. but it couldn't of been my much

              last year was the first year in a long time that EA had the leading baseball game in the market.. and I dunno even if that's true.


              VC needs to aquire the MLB license and hopefully they will put the teams focus into Baseball like they did with Football. They don't need kush or blue chit making the baseball games for them anymore.. they should make their baseball game the biggest sports game of the year and get back to old WOrld Series baseball tradition. I think this news could be great for Baseball video game fans if all this works out like it should. ALso Microsoft and Sony both can release 1st party Baseball titles which is good news... hopefully Microsoft releases a new high heat and 989 keeps doing what they are doing. This year it looks like 989 will be king of Baseball.

              As a huge baseball sports video game fan.. I think we still have options if EA looses it's rights to Baseball.. I'm confident we will still have some good games. EA has always been the worst at making Baseball games imo. Last year they turned it around big time and made a good MVP game that was tou ted best baseball game released last year by many. BUt it wasn't great... This year it could be.. we will see
              Last edited by steveeee; 01-20-2005, 08:57 PM.

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              • steveeee
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 843

                #127
                Re: VC close on a deal

                But a 3rd Party MLB exclusive to TakeTwo eliminates the number 1 baseball game in the marketplace.
                What? maybe last year.. but it couldn't of been my much

                last year was the first year in a long time that EA had the leading baseball game in the market.. and I dunno even if that's true.


                VC needs to aquire the MLB license and hopefully they will put the teams focus into Baseball like they did with Football. They don't need kush or blue chit making the baseball games for them anymore.. they should make their baseball game the biggest sports game of the year and get back to old WOrld Series baseball tradition. I think this news could be great for Baseball video game fans if all this works out like it should. ALso Microsoft and Sony both can release 1st party Baseball titles which is good news... hopefully Microsoft releases a new high heat and 989 keeps doing what they are doing. This year it looks like 989 will be king of Baseball.

                As a huge baseball sports video game fan.. I think we still have options if EA looses it's rights to Baseball.. I'm confident we will still have some good games. EA has always been the worst at making Baseball games imo. Last year they turned it around big time and made a good MVP game that was tou ted best baseball game released last year by many. BUt it wasn't great... This year it could be.. we will see

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                • bubba4
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 607

                  #128
                  Re: VC close on a deal

                  I must admit that I am biased against EA. Seeing Take Two try to come back at them and stick it in their face just feels GOOD to me! I have been the victim of EA's exclusive signings before. When they decided to NOT support the Dreamcast, many people felt it would bring an early death to the machine. And they were right. Not to have the #1 game publisher support your box was not good. The DC died an early death. I can never forgive EA for that. And I am certain folks at Sega and VC have long memories about what happened back then. This is war!
                  Bring it on!
                  Bubba4

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                  • bubba4
                    Pro
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 607

                    #129
                    Re: VC close on a deal

                    I must admit that I am biased against EA. Seeing Take Two try to come back at them and stick it in their face just feels GOOD to me! I have been the victim of EA's exclusive signings before. When they decided to NOT support the Dreamcast, many people felt it would bring an early death to the machine. And they were right. Not to have the #1 game publisher support your box was not good. The DC died an early death. I can never forgive EA for that. And I am certain folks at Sega and VC have long memories about what happened back then. This is war!
                    Bring it on!
                    Bubba4

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                    • pennsy
                      Rookie
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 164

                      #130
                      Re: VC close on a deal

                      Originally posted by bubba4
                      I must admit that I am biased against EA. Seeing Take Two try to come back at them and stick it in their face just feels GOOD to me! I have been the victim of EA's exclusive signings before. When they decided to NOT support the Dreamcast, many people felt it would bring an early death to the machine. And they were right. Not to have the #1 game publisher support your box was not good. The DC died an early death. I can never forgive EA for that. And I am certain folks at Sega and VC have long memories about what happened back then. This is war!
                      Bring it on!
                      Bubba4
                      Ditto with Sega and the Gamecube!!!!!!!!!!!

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                      • pennsy
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 164

                        #131
                        Re: VC close on a deal

                        Originally posted by bubba4
                        I must admit that I am biased against EA. Seeing Take Two try to come back at them and stick it in their face just feels GOOD to me! I have been the victim of EA's exclusive signings before. When they decided to NOT support the Dreamcast, many people felt it would bring an early death to the machine. And they were right. Not to have the #1 game publisher support your box was not good. The DC died an early death. I can never forgive EA for that. And I am certain folks at Sega and VC have long memories about what happened back then. This is war!
                        Bring it on!
                        Bubba4
                        Ditto with Sega and the Gamecube!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        • MrTennessee
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 268

                          #132
                          Re: VC close on a deal

                          i cant wait till december 31, 2005. this is gonna be a LONG bumpy ride this year in the video gaming industry.
                          GO Vols!

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                          • MrTennessee
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 268

                            #133
                            Re: VC close on a deal

                            i cant wait till december 31, 2005. this is gonna be a LONG bumpy ride this year in the video gaming industry.
                            GO Vols!

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                            • maddenman420
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 253

                              #134
                              Re: VC close on a deal

                              I think all of you just need to relax

                              ESPN looks so dang good this season that even if they do buy up the rights, ill play this version of the next year or two anyway..

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                              • maddenman420
                                Banned
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 253

                                #135
                                Re: VC close on a deal

                                I think all of you just need to relax

                                ESPN looks so dang good this season that even if they do buy up the rights, ill play this version of the next year or two anyway..

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