Updated Rosters--- 2k12

[Herky]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

I have the free version that just lets me edit players. I cant delete or do anything that you you have mentioned with the free version of reditor so I dont know what to tell you.

It's the ReEditor and it causes problems no matter if you use the free or paid version. I just made a bunch of random edits with one of MK's files that I've been working on for my personal use and it screwed up tons of things.

Like I said before I think it's best to stop using the ReEditor going forward and just let mk do his thing. It's a nice tool on the surface, but it causes more problems in the end.

It seem any player that is created or renamed is just trashed once the file is edited with the ReEditor. I emailed Vlad last month to tell him about the issues I have encountered with his program but have not heard back from him.

mk has done a great job on this file and I hope he continues to edit it his way. The ReEditor does have some nice features but again, I think we should just let him work on the file from now on. It's very frustrating when you have to re-do work and this is his file after all. If people want to use the ReEdior for themselves they can see what issues it causes and understand why mk is frustrated. I spent over 1 hour looking over the Cubs organization and fixing names and it wasn't worth any edits I made with the program.

[mkharsh33]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

MK, as long as LewLew made a separate file, couldn't you just use your last file and continue work from there? My thinking being it would restore whatever players were lost/pitches were changed.

Well, I used HIS file as the next starting point. He stated he would verify his work, so I trusted what he was doing. When I did about an hour's worth of edits, I then discovered some missing pitches starting again. I then found that some pitchers had their pitch types BUT their ratings had been zeroed out. I wasn't going to start over because then everything I did was lost. It wasn't until I dug deeper than I found Cisnero missing (duplicated as Jose Veras).

Honestly, I've been against using the REDitor for some time, but LewLew was pretty insistent the other day about wanting the file (even asking why I couldn't give it over for a half hour). Well, this is why... I KNEW this was going to happen, but I tried to trust his work.

I know this file is not "mine" - many people helped, and for that I'm deeply appreciative. But it's clear the REDitor will create more problems than it's worth.

But what's done is done... I've stated my objections... If my comments offend anyone, I really don't care. I suppose if I stopped uploading files I'd hear complaints on that end, so I might as well just realize that no matter what there will be those not happy (which seems to be a disease here at OS as I see this on about every roster thread where people who create them can't win for losing).

All I ask is this: let's forget the REDitor.... If there is a group here who wants it, then start a new thread and work on it separately. But I doubt I'll be as active here on this roster because I got a couple notes of complaints today, stating that I wasn't very polite about this. I guess when it's not your time that's being invested, and all one has to do is wait for the file without offering any help, it's easy to criticize. I get that...

[wudl83]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

I can tell you where the problem comes from. I had to fight it for 2 or 3 months until I found out how to fix it. Although I am pc user I definately know what you are talking about.

The problems you see occuring aren't caused by Reditor directly. They only show up after using it. The problem is first caused by the ingame editor. When you edit too many fake players ingame or reach a certain number and then open Reditor and edit the file it will be screwed up when you load the roster ingame. There is something like a CAP for edited fake players. In my case I made a roster based on the latest 2k12 roster, changed some names/ratings of fake players ingame and then edited them in Reditor because you can edit more things in Reditor than ingame. Then I loaded the roster ingame again and 15-20 players had the same names. Everything was screwed up.

We got another editor out there for the pc version which is called "Ty's editor". When you edit too many players/names ingame and then use Ty's editor and after that load the roster ingame then you get the screwed names, too.

In my case, as I said, it took me about 2 or 3 months and about 100 hours of work that was damaged before I found out what caused the problem.

About 2 months ago I found out what caused the problem and then I started all over again. After that I ONLY edited players with Reditor and Ty's editor, touching the ingame editor not one single time.

In my roster there are more than 200 edited fake players and everything works without a problem.

You have two options:
- you use the ingame editor solely and you will have to deal with bigger time exposure, a crappy interface and less options available
- you use the Reditor solely, edit players much quicker, you will have more options and a way more appealing interface to work with

In my case I never ever will use the ingame editor again. Reditor has way more options (cyberfaces and some hidden things like service time and so on) and you are much quicker putting the work in from keyboard than with the mouse or gamepad which you would have to use when editing the players ingame.

I started my roster all over from the latest 2k roster. Every major league player has completely edited ratings based on a rating calculator that calculated ratings based on the performance of 2010-2012 and not one single player who is on a 40-man roster is missing. I have all the top prospects and 4 teams already have complete rating edited minor league systems, too. I have edited nearly all free agents. And that was done within 2 months of work or so. I would never have been able to put this work in in the same time with the ingame editor.
And I changed a bunch of cyberfaces, too. No generic ones, all "real" ones. The ingame editor sucks.

And please don't act like kids. You are all adults. Find the problem and solve it and don't offend each other. Nobody is to blame for this problem but 2k.

[ElSeniorLewLew]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

Ok I have and idea. I am sorry for these errors but as you have read in the post above those errors are NOT my fault. We need to get all the REDitor work in that everyone wants in at one time. So then we don't have to deal with it anymore. So in a short form Be finished with REDitor. Or just make a REDitor edit every couple months or so.

On Jose Veras, his stats matched the ones on the roster I looked at online. Or I was looking at the wrong one.
Do I need to fix that with REDitor?

Lastly IF we continue to make Minor adjustments with REDitor I will double check all of my work. I just get going to fast and try to get more done than I have to. Like I said I would have my update done at 10 PST I did. So I rushed and didn't have time to double check every thing. But I did check the players stats that had missing names.

My apologizes for all my mistakes as I will try my hardest to get all of my mistakes corrected.

[mkharsh33]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

As stated above, I'm going to ask that we NOT use the REDitor anymore. I've already uploaded a NEW file on 2K Share - did so in the wee hours of the morning last night, so that new file is the most current (which has NOT been uploaded here as an offline file).

Honestly, I'm not even sure what value the REDitor even brings now. The last file you worked on - I saw Nava's new picture, but that was about it (unless I'm missing something). It's not worth all the mistakes to only put a couple/three new player pics on it.

I've fixed Cisnero's name. I've manually tried to fix the pitchers that I found with faulty pitch types.

Again, if you guys want to do a REDitor file, start a new thread. I will NOT participate in that effort, so you'll be on your own with all transactions, new players being added, updated attributes, updated lineups, updated pitching staffs, etc.

Starting over from scratch is NOT an option for me. I've put WAY TOO MUCH WORK into this file to even think of doing that... Thanks.

[ElSeniorLewLew]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

If you look in the the minor leagues and FA that is where most of them are. But I just thought it would be cool to have the actual portrait of the player in the game.

[wudl83]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

Honestly, I'm not even sure what value the REDitor even brings now. The last file you worked on - I saw Nava's new picture, but that was about it (unless I'm missing something). It's not worth all the mistakes to only put a couple/three new player pics on it.

Not sure what value it brings?
You can edit nearly everything in the editor in much less time. You can't edit many things ingame and you still need much more time for less edits.

Again, if you guys want to do a REDitor file, start a new thread. I will NOT participate in that effort, so you'll be on your own with all transactions, new players being added, updated attributes, updated lineups, updated pitching staffs, etc.

Starting over from scratch is NOT an option for me. I've put WAY TOO MUCH WORK into this file to even think of doing that... Thanks.

If there are some guys out there who would contribute to that I would definately advise those guys to do it (but I know that there won't be some guys as always because noone wants to do the work). Start over from scratch and if you are 2-3 persons share the work and within some days of work you would at least have the current 40-man rosters (with all missing players) and maybe even some minor leaguers/top prospects for every franchise as long as you do not mess with edits like ratings first (but you could do it later easily).

Mkharsh, everybody respects your work. But nobody forces you to do it. You do not have to tell everybody all the time how much work you put in it and how good your roster is and how much it offers. Why? Because nobody is interested in how much work you put in it. They simply want your roster. The rest is irrelevant for most people. They aren't interested in the things behind the roster and in how much work the person behind the roster had to put in it.
But besides that you should know that you aren't the only person out there who edits rosters. Why do you always have to sound so arrogant? It was the same with 2k11 and last year it was the same. It's always about how much work you put in the roster and then someone comes of whom you think he did insult you and not respect your work enough and then you say you quit. Two days later your back at work. Maybe you should try to work on the roster for yourself first and in view of this fact release the roster when you like to.
So maybe it would be better to act a little bit calmer and get off your high horse. Yeah, you put in tons of hours of work. But so did I and besides 3 or 4 people nobody is interested in it. And I bet that I did more edits in much less time. When you never ever have edited things like that you will never ever have an idea of how much work something like that is. So it's needless to give lectures on it. I learned it in our community and you have been working on rosters for so long and nothing changed.

The only thing that prevents you from using the Reditor is that you fear that all your work is gone and all was worthless or why do you have to threaten people all the time?
But let me tell you something: when you initiate it intelligently you could start from the scratch and even take some of the work you put into your current rosters and take it over into the new one. Sometimes it's easier to take one step back and then take two steps forward when you have such amazing options like the Reditor.

[Bretsky523]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

Alright, hate all you want but be honest, you use these rosters. It's not hours of your work that would be lost. Donations could be asked for, but we don't. We do it so people will enjoy the game. So why don't YOU get off your high horse and try making a roster...

If you want to go ahead and make a roster with editor that will have a million problems and as soon as one is fixed another one will pop up, if you don't like the way this thread is run, then don't follow it...

[jack1535]

Why is this even being discussed? MK is making really good rosters without rededit so let him continue to do that. If you want to use rededit for your rosters than go make your own thread, MK has clearly said multiple times that it screws up his file and work he has done so he doesn't want to use it. There are many people including me who enjoy the rosters MK has made without rededit and would rather have him continue to make rosters the way he wants to.

[wudl83]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

Alright, hate all you want but be honest, you use these rosters. It's not hours of your work that would be lost. Donations could be asked for, but we don't. We do it so people will enjoy the game. So why don't YOU get off your high horse and try making a roster...

If you want to go ahead and make a roster with editor that will have a million problems and as soon as one is fixed another one will pop up, if you don't like the way this thread is run, then don't follow it...

ROFL the way do you even read? It's been a long time since I read such a dumb comment. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...lins/splat.gif

And yeah it IS dumb and nothing else. I don't use your roster cause I don't own a Xbox. I am a PC user. And I did a roster myself Mr. Super Cool. Wanna see it? Here ya go: http://www.mvpmods.com/index.php?app...&showfile=7672
Over 1000 edited players.

But yeah, you are the same actor like Mkharsh. Always staying backward, not using new opportunities that would make it even easier and when users criticize you you freak out and act like a kid. And when someone gives you an advise you don't see it as an advise, you start crying and throwing hammers around you.

You didn't even read what I was writing in my posts. Very nice, dude. Very nice.

[philliesfan136]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

It might be easier to use it for PC, but did you consider that maybe that it's not as good for XBOX rosters because of the problems it creates?

[Bretsky523]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

ROFL the way do you even read? It's been a long time since I read such a dumb comment. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...lins/splat.gif

And yeah it IS dumb and nothing else. I don't use your roster cause I don't own a Xbox. I am a PC user. And I did a roster myself Mr. Super Cool. Wanna see it? Here ya go: http://www.mvpmods.com/index.php?app...&showfile=7672
Over 1000 edited players.

But yeah, you are the same actor like Mkharsh. Always staying backward, not using new opportunities that would make it even easier and when users criticize you you freak out and act like a kid. And when someone gives you an advise you don't see it as an advise, you start crying and throwing hammers around you.

You didn't even read what I was writing in my posts. Very nice, dude. Very nice.

Ok then, you have no intrest in the rosters, so go away...

EDIT: And next time you feel like giving us "advice" do it over PM so it doesn't clog up our thread

[MarvinOida]

People, people! Lets net forget this is a great piece of work. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I get REDitor is a great tool, but you don't know the possible negative effects until you exactly use it to its full extend, and then see your work do something weird.

*btw, as an Xbox user and some who uses REDitor/RED MC, it is VERY fragile to use the tool if the roster is heavily modified like this one. (Speaking about both MLB and NBA 2K ON XBOX!) Just look at the NBA 2K Roster Subforum and you'll see us complain about freezing and glitches in a couple roster forums, my project has been on hold because I myself are trying to find fixes to stop glitches. The reason why the PC is able to take more teams and players is well, the file structure of NBA/MLB 2K12 for PC was apparently good for mod in at least 1,000+ players (UBR 2K12 has 256+ NBA teams)

[wudl83]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

It might be easier to use it for PC, but did you consider that maybe that it's not as good for XBOX rosters because of the problems it creates?

Why did you not read my post?
I stated very clearly that there are the same problems with the pc version. And I also gave you the solution.

Ok then, you have no intrest in the rosters, so go away...

EDIT: And next time you feel like giving us "advice" do it over PM so it doesn't clog up our thread

Mimimimi...

But yeah, I won't look in this thread again. Stay backwards.

[mkharsh33]

Re: Updated Rosters--- 2k12

First of all, I NEVER want to sound arrogant or selfish when I post here. I'm really bothered by the latest posts here because of the direction this thread has taken. I do find the posts here that were directed to me to wreak of hypocrisy, doing the very thing that I'm being called out for. But he says he's done in this thread, so that can be put to rest.

My point was this: the REDitor is NOT working with this file any longer. It's just not feasible. We know that there is a problem, so we cannot continue to use the REDitor for our edits. The other day what I discovered was this: if I changed Cisnero's name (Astros) to the correct name, it then screwed up Seth Maness' name (Cards) to "Seth o" - that is how it showed up. Change Maness' name back and Cisnero's name changed to "Cisnermaness". Then what I discovered (and I won't share how much time this took because I might come across as an arrogant jerk who wants attention ) is that Duke Welker's name (Pirates) got changed.

So after making numerous attempts to fix the file, I had to recreate Maness all over again. I dropped the old Maness into the FA list, but bottoming out his attribute ratings.

I have no problem with SeniorLew wanting to help - so I meant nothing by that. If my thoughts were taken wrong - yeah, I was frustrated because I knew in advance this was going to create problems, through no fault of his.

But then to be singled out here, and called names and have a perception created about me - I didn't appreciate that. Like Bretsky said - a LOT of time has went into this by multiple people. I LOVE keeping this game alive, so I've taken it on my shoulders to work on updated attributes and ratings fixes. Are they perfect? No, and partly because the REDitor changed a bunch of stuff. I started seeing pitch speeds even increase that I had not noticed before.

So my sincere apologies for anything that's been misconstrued. But I will not let another poster call me out as being "backwards" because I don't want to use the REDitor, but rather do so manually. It's the only system I know. I'm not a young guy with tons of time on my hands, so this is the simplest form I know to use because I don't understand the REDitor. Sorry if that makes me an idiot to someone, but I just don't understand it.

I will continue to work on files, but will admit if this continues, I will simply remove my profile here and leave OS. I don't need this in my life as the work I do involves people and I come here for a break from that other stuff.

I think there is a recurring disease here at OS that needs stopped: 1) guys are constantly complaining about the time it takes for a roster creator to do their work. 2) then guys complain when that person does NOT provide the files any longer. It's a "damned if you do - damned if you don't" proposition here. It needs to stop - I see this in EVERY sub-forum here where guys are calling out those who put their time into this stuff.

I'll have another offline file soon - not sure when, but hopefully today (if possible - but definitely by Wednesday).

I'm almost fearful to provide this post because I don't want anything leveled in my direction. I've been a long-time member here, and I love this community. But if I'm seen as arrogant or selfish, or if my posts have offended others because I've shared some things they don't want to hear, then my time here is done. I don't understand how someone who states they don't even use our files could come here and rip on things, without there being some repercussions for his actions. I don't go to the PC forums and give them direction because I don't operate that way - yet I felt that was done here. But if it continues the files will cease and someone else can pick this up and the work I do will be for my own benefit, or a small circle of people that I trust here. Simply stated, it was utter foolishness & hypocrisy that's happened here, and I hope this is the end of it.

I like what we've done here - this game plays outstanding, and I appreciate all those who provided help in some way to keep this game alive. Thanks...