MLB NEEDS instant replay

[Cubs Suck]

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Un-f'n believable!!!! You have got to be kidding me...this will be all the talk tomorrow...that ump called him out at home. Huge play...huge missed call. If this series swings the other way the umps lost it.

Yeah Just like Bartman ruined the chances for the cubs to go to the world series. You still have to make the plays to win the game. They let Ozuna steal 2nd uncontested and then giving Crede a flat splitter with an 0-2 count. Throw one in the dirt, throw one low and away, don't leave one up middle in to a clutch hitter. And they are not gonna have instant replay, that is a given. The best they are going to do is Uniform the called strike and out signal so that way no umpire can do his own little thing and avoid confusion like there was last night.

[GBrushTWood]

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Now, I didn't see the play, nor have I seen a replay of it yet...but why is nobody faulting the Angels. Everyone is saying they got screwed. Well, what I want to know is....

Why didn't the Angels do what every single little-leaguer in the country is taught? You ALWAYS finish a play. Never assume anything until the Umpire says you are out. If you get thrown out on a base, but the umpire never calls it, you are taught to stay on the base until he tells you. You are taught to always run full speed through First Base. On a dropped 3rd strike, you always attempt to tag the runner out or throw to first base (being a former catcher and umpire, I can attest to this on particularly). If the Angels had finished the play like they should have, then this would have been a non-issue.

In the case of a dropped 3rd strike, the umpire must signal that the pitch was a strike, but he is not required to signal an out if one was not made. So, the batter swings and misses, or the catcher drops it...the umpire signals the strike, but does not signal the out until the runner is either tagged or thrown out at first, or voluntarily gives himself up by walking towards the dugout.

The umpire pumped his fist. To everybody with 1/2 a brain, this equates to the hitter being out. The Angels players saw the motion, and assumed (like any sane person would) that the batter was ruled out. Once the umpire makes that motion, everything after is inconsequential. The play was dead after that motion was made.

The Angels were unequivocally screwed. There is no need to place blame on the Angels or their catcher. They did nothing wrong. The only person(s) in the wrong were the umps. End of story.

[BoSoxPujols]

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They showed a blown up replay on Fox just after the play happened and showed it in forward and reverse. The reverse action clearly shows the change in direction of the ball. It did hit the ground.

[glucklich]

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The umpire pumped his fist. To everybody with 1/2 a brain, this equates to the hitter being out. The Angels players saw the motion, and assumed (like any sane person would) that the batter was ruled out. Once the umpire makes that motion, everything after is inconsequential. The play was dead after that motion was made.

The Angels were unequivocally screwed. There is no need to place blame on the Angels or their catcher. They did nothing wrong. The only person(s) in the wrong were the umps. End of story.

Apparently not. Pierzinsky knew enough to run and the ump did the same gesture the entire game. The catchers excuse for not tagging him (i guess its an excuse) was that the ump didnt say he had dropped it...in all the years Ive watched and played baseball I wish I had a nickel for everytime a catcher unnecessarily tagged out even if it was obvious he was out just to eliminate doubt. Last night illustrates why. That catcher is now a cautionary tale.

[glucklich]

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They showed a blown up replay on Fox just after the play happened and showed it in forward and reverse. The reverse action clearly shows the change in direction of the ball. It did hit the ground.

But dont that stop people from claiming they "know what they saw and he caught it cleanly". It was hard to tell but thats why the ump didnt call him out.

[dkgojackets]

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The umpire pumped his fist. To everybody with 1/2 a brain, this equates to the hitter being out. The Angels players saw the motion, and assumed (like any sane person would) that the batter was ruled out. Once the umpire makes that motion, everything after is inconsequential. The play was dead after that motion was made.

The Angels were unequivocally screwed. There is no need to place blame on the Angels or their catcher. They did nothing wrong. The only person(s) in the wrong were the umps. End of story.

I believe you are correct in your statement that people with half a brain equate this with the batter being out. Those of us with a full brain, though, know that it is his mechanic for showing strike three, and NO ONE IS EVER OUT until both a hand signal AND a verbal signal are given.

The blame goes to the Angels catcher. The argument that "The umpire made a hand signal" is worthless because the catcher had his damn back to the umpire. Tag the guy. Hes right there. The extra half second of celebrating the win by running to the dugout immediately would not have been that big of a deal. In football if a receiver makes a diving catch and theres ANY doubt at all that the defender may have touched him on the way down, they touch him while hes on the ground. Its called finishing the play to remove any doubt at all.

BTW the ball hit the ground. He trapped it and you can see it change direction.

[BoSoxPujols]

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But dont that stop people from claiming they "know what they saw and he caught it cleanly". It was hard to tell but thats why the ump didnt call him out.

Well then they are blind homers.

[Kashanova]

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Your own manager is oppose to Instant Replay he said it himself you guys didn't play well so stop complaining this type of crap happens all the time ala cano being called out we don't know if the angels lose in extra innings or if bernie hits a grand slam or grounds out so it ain't big that's the game deal with it

[theaub]

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I believe you are correct in your statement that people with half a brain equate this with the batter being out. Those of us with a full brain, though, know that it is his mechanic for showing strike three, and NO ONE IS EVER OUT until both a hand signal AND a verbal signal are given.

The blame goes to the Angels catcher. The argument that "The umpire made a hand signal" is worthless because the catcher had his damn back to the umpire. Tag the guy. Hes right there. The extra half second of celebrating the win by running to the dugout immediately would not have been that big of a deal. In football if a receiver makes a diving catch and theres ANY doubt at all that the defender may have touched him on the way down, they touch him while hes on the ground. Its called finishing the play to remove any doubt at all.

BTW the ball hit the ground. He trapped it and you can see it change direction.

OK, being an umpire myself, I'll just put it plainly.

I've umped for 5 years, and been, therefore, to five clinics. I've had an umpire who worked the 2004 Athens Gold Medal Game, and guy who umped in the majors for a few years (name escapes me), and the head umpire of Baseball Ontario teach those clinics. In all of those clinics, they've said the same thing about third strike calls:

1) If the ball is caught, do all the dramatics you want...but a clenched fist is passable with a "Strike Three"

2) If the ball is dropped, then say "Strike Three," and point to the right (like a normal strike call).

Now, the problem was, as stated above, that the umpire clenched his fist after making the signal to the right. Now, I don't know if he said "Strike Three" or not, but that is not the problem here (unless he added in something like "You're out", which I don't think he did). Since the ump clenched his fist, he is calling the batter out. Therefore, the umpire is wrong in this instance.

Of course, if Paul could see the umpire, then he has eyes in the back of his head. He still should have finished off the play. However, the pitcher (was it K-Rod?) could claim that since the ump clenched his fist, he thought the batter was out and thus did not make any signal to the catcher that he needed to throw to first.

So, it's a bit of the umpire's fault, and a bit of the Angels' fault. As a fan, however, I completely blame Paul, since it's common sense not to roll the ball back to the mound unless you are completely sure that the batter was out.

[aukevin]

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What makes it funny is that the batter was also a catcher.

yeah Baseball Tonight showed a clip from a couple years ago where he was a victim of a stolen first base as well. He was aware that no called was made, and the Angels catcher should have realized it as well.


I'm not sure exactly the rules of umpiring, but last night's ump was consistent with his style of calling strikes. His first strike looked like his third strike. If you make a pumping fist action on first strike, are you suppose to do something different on third strike? I figured this ump would vocally say out since his style for calling strikes was similar to an out signal.

I think the ump, and MLB needs to look into it, needed to be more clear with the situation. But if the catcher doesn't here a out called, he needs to tag the runner.

[Kelvarr]

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yeah Baseball Tonight showed a clip from a couple years ago where he was a victim of a stolen first base as well. He was aware that no called was made, and the Angels catcher should have realized it as well.


I'm not sure exactly the rules of umpiring, but last night's ump was consistent with his style of calling strikes. His first strike looked like his third strike. If you make a pumping fist action on first strike, are you suppose to do something different on third strike? I figured this ump would vocally say out since his style for calling strikes was similar to an out signal.

I think the ump, and MLB needs to look into it, needed to be more clear with the situation. But if the catcher doesn't here a out called, he needs to tag the runner.

what I was taught when I was an MHSAA umpire, was that you should point to one side or the other with your right hand (I had heard this was for the benefit of deaf batters). A signal of a clenched fist is always an out for me, although when I play, I realize that both somatic and verbal components must be issued for the call to be finalized.

[dagger55]

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ya they just showed a clip of the 6th inning... ball in the dirt on a third strike, and he didnt make the out signal until the catcher walked 4 feet over to tag the batter

[TheMatrix31]

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Does Kashanova's computer not have any comma or period key?