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  • Stu
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    • Jun 2004
    • 7924

    #121
    Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

    Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
    I may have to rescind this, as I can't find where I heard that info from. I tried looking up a source and all I can find was Rhodes to Philly for Michaels. My bad, I can't back up this comment.
    I think the confusion might be that it was originally reported that he failed by WIP in Philly?
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    • Stu
      All Star
      • Jun 2004
      • 7924

      #122
      Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

      Another rumor that I heard...

      Cleveland gets: Kearns, Clement, Delcarmen, Shoppach
      Cleveland gives: Westbrook, Crisp, Riske

      Boston gets: Crisp, Riske
      Boston gives: Clement, Delcarmen, Shoppach

      Cincy gives: Kearns
      Cincy gets: Westbrook

      This was second hand from a radio appearance by Sheldon Ocker from the Akron Beacon Journal, so take it for what its worth.
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      • Beantown
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        • Feb 2005
        • 31523

        #123
        Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

        I'd like that deal you mentioned.

        Get Crisp without giving up Marte is the best case scenario.

        Also Cam, I agree with everything you've said so far. The red Sox aren't in the situation everyone seems to think. A deal will come along, when some team wants pitching and offers a CF, whether or not it's as good as Crisp. I really don't see the Sox giving up much more than Marte, Mota and Shoppach for just Crisp.

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        • Stu
          All Star
          • Jun 2004
          • 7924

          #124
          Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

          Originally posted by Longhorn6
          I'd like that deal you mentioned.

          Get Crisp without giving up Marte is the best case scenario.

          Also Cam, I agree with everything you've said so far. The red Sox aren't in the situation everyone seems to think. A deal will come along, when some team wants pitching and offers a CF, whether or not it's as good as Crisp. I really don't see the Sox giving up much more than Marte, Mota and Shoppach for just Crisp.
          I like the deal too but I'm not quite sure what the advantage is to Cleveland. Originally I looked at Clement as an upgrade over Westbrook, but after looking at the stats I'd call them a wash. Obviously they get a guy in Kearns who has the potential to hit more like a corner OF than Crisp, but that's a little bit of a gamble.
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          • Lintyfresh85
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            • Jul 2002
            • 17492

            #125
            Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

            I would not like that trade at all. I say we get Marte or we get no one. He can be our 3rd basemen for the future. Put him with Hafner, Martinez, Peralta, Sizemore and Garko in a years time and we're rolling.
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            • ExtremeGamer
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              • Jul 2002
              • 35299

              #126
              Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

              Originally posted by camulos
              Another rumor that I heard...

              Cleveland gets: Kearns, Clement, Delcarmen, Shoppach
              Cleveland gives: Westbrook, Crisp, Riske

              Boston gets: Crisp, Riske
              Boston gives: Clement, Delcarmen, Shoppach

              Cincy gives: Kearns
              Cincy gets: Westbrook

              This was second hand from a radio appearance by Sheldon Ocker from the Akron Beacon Journal, so take it for what its worth.
              I like that deal. Marte isn't a deal breaker for me since like I said earlier, we still have Kevin Kousmanoff about 1-2 years away. Boone is under contract till then and his bat works, plus he's one of the 5 best defensive 3rd basemen in the league.

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              • CWood2
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                • May 2004
                • 4356

                #127
                Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                Originally posted by Longhorn6
                I'd like that deal you mentioned.

                Get Crisp without giving up Marte is the best case scenario.

                Also Cam, I agree with everything you've said so far. The red Sox aren't in the situation everyone seems to think. A deal will come along, when some team wants pitching and offers a CF, whether or not it's as good as Crisp. I really don't see the Sox giving up much more than Marte, Mota and Shoppach for just Crisp.
                For all intensive purposes, that 6 player deal is and should be dead, and I may buy a Mota jersey just to thank him for not letting it go through! But really, I can't blame people for perceiving us as the "weaker" trading partner because of how close we came to that awful trade, especially if you look at what we could have gotten last week with the Reds involved.

                I'm with you guys, I'd do the above trade, but honestly I think we should consider Kearns for Clement (and maybe something extra like Graff or a B prospect), especially if Shapiro balks at it. Asking us to a sweeten a bad deal is a sign to me that we need a stronger plan B, and Austin Kearns is just that. If Delcarmen is the difference between the two, I can't necessarily disagree. But if we don't sweeten the old deal (and we won't) and can only give up so much in a three way, giving up Marte should be viewed as completely unacceptable going forward.

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                • Stu
                  All Star
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 7924

                  #128
                  Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                  Originally posted by CWood2
                  I'm with you guys, I'd do the above trade, but honestly I think we should consider Kearns for Clement (and maybe something extra like Graff or a B prospect), especially if Shapiro balks at it. Asking us to a sweeten a bad deal is a sign to me that we need a stronger plan B, and Austin Kearns is just that. If Delcarmen is the difference between the two, I can't necessarily disagree. But if we don't sweeten the old deal (and we won't) and can only give up so much in a three way, giving up Marte should be viewed as completely unacceptable going forward.
                  I think we should focus on Kearns along with a Michaels, Roberts or Payton. lost in all this is that we don't just need a CF, we need a 4th OF as well that can platoon with Trot. Kearns would fit this role perfectly and hopefully get his career back on track so he could step in as the starter next year.
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                  • Stu
                    All Star
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 7924

                    #129
                    Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                    Originally posted by camulos
                    Another rumor that I heard...

                    Cleveland gets: Kearns, Clement, Delcarmen, Shoppach, cash
                    Cleveland gives: Westbrook, Crisp, Riske

                    Boston gets: Crisp, Riske, Bard
                    Boston gives: Clement, Delcarmen, Shoppach, cash

                    Cincy gives: Kearns
                    Cincy gets: Westbrook

                    This was second hand from a radio appearance by Sheldon Ocker from the Akron Beacon Journal, so take it for what its worth.
                    WEEI just confirmed that Ocker reported this rumor. The only difference was that the Red Sox would send cash to Cleveland to offset Clements salary and the Red Sox would get Bard.
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                    • Misfit
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 5766

                      #130
                      Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                      That would be a nice deal, but I dont see it happening. Ultimately, I think nothing is going to happen today and the Red Sox will move on.

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                      • Ckhoss29
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 980

                        #131
                        Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                        Just to clear up about mota "failing" his physical as reported on espn.com

                        "Multiple sources say Mota didn't technically "fail" his physical with the Indians. But his examination raised enough questions that the Indians have told Boston they will keep Mota only if the Red Sox upgrade the rest of the package, which originally had Mota, third-base prospect Andy Marte and catching prospect Kelly Shoppach heading for Cleveland, with Crisp, reliever David Riske and catcher Josh Bard landing in Boston."

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                        • CWood2
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                          • May 2004
                          • 4356

                          #132
                          Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                          As far as Mota "failing," it was reported on WEEI over lunch that the general consensus is that Shapiro got cold feet and used this to up the anti. Apparently he felt pressure to look more towards next season as opposed to 2-3 years down the road and they feel Delcarmen could be big for them in the bullpen right away. Personally, since they value Kearns and he's already had a good season in the show, I hope this three way works out.

                          If not, I'd jump all over Kearns as cam said and ask about Coco afterwards. Personally, if we could beat Cleveland to the punch on him, it might just save us Delcarmen...and the Reds really wanted Clement last year. But the conflicting reports continue, so we'll see...

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                          • rsox
                            All Star
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6309

                            #133
                            Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                            Originally posted by Misfit
                            That would be a nice deal, but I dont see it happening. Ultimately, I think nothing is going to happen today and the Red Sox will move on.

                            With the A's signing of Frank Thomas moving Nick Swisher back into the A's crowded Outfield Jay Payton is definitley available and would come at a much cheaper price than what the Indians are asking for. If i were the Sox i would trade for Payton, tell the Indians where they can stick it and try and sign Torii Hunter next winter.

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                            • BoSoxPujols
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 1262

                              #134
                              Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                              Originally posted by rsox
                              With the A's signing of Frank Thomas moving Nick Swisher back into the A's crowded Outfield Jay Payton is definitley available and would come at a much cheaper price than what the Indians are asking for. If i were the Sox i would trade for Payton, tell the Indians where they can stick it and try and sign Torii Hunter next winter.
                              I'm surprised the Red Sox haven't contacted the Cardinals who have a pretty loaded OF now after signging Encarnacion and Bigbie. The Red Sox could pry a guy like So Taguchi away from the Cards for pretty cheap and he would be a really good fit in Boston, and is a heck of a player. Not only does he bring a SUPERB glove to the OF, he can bat all over the lineup, from the 2 hole to the 6 and 7 spots. Not sure if he could lead off. He has good speed, but his OBP is a bit low at .322(.329 career), although that is decently comparable to Juan Pierre who's was .326 last season.

                              The Cards will only carry 5 OF's most likely and right now you have 3 pretty much locked in to start: Bigbie, Edmonds and Encarnacion. John Rodriguez could challenege for a starting spot after a HOT winterball. So there's 4. That leaves the Cards to fill in the last spot between Taguchi, Ankiel, Gall, Hearther, and Scheumaker(sp?) Taguchi is defiently the lead candidate and would win the job easily if he's not dealt.

                              The underlying saga here that coud free Taguchi up to a trade is that the Cards are very high on Ankiel after the year he had in the minors last season and at 26 is actually their top minor league OF prospect. The problem is, he is out of minor league options. If the Cards want to keep him and send him to the minors he would have to clear waivers, something that is not likely in his case as another team would probaly try and claim him off waivers. So the Cards may be willing to listen to offers for one of their OF's in order to not lose Ankiel and give him a shot at the bigs.
                              Last edited by BoSoxPujols; 01-27-2006, 12:50 AM.

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                              • Misfit
                                All Star
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 5766

                                #135
                                Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

                                Originally posted by BoSoxPujols
                                I'm surprised the Red Sox haven't contacted the Cardinals who have a pretty loaded OF now after signging Encarnacion and Bigbie. The Red Sox could pry a guy like So Taguchi away from the Cards for pretty cheap and he would be a really good fit in Boston, and is a heck of a player. Not only doe she bring a SUPERB glove to the OF, he can bat all over the lineup, from the 2 hole to the 6 and 7 spots.
                                Umm.....what?!

                                I don't think Taguchi is a realistic option. He is not a starter and would not be an upgrade over Stern.

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