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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
Haven't read the entire thread, but with Clemens vehemently denying it, if I were him I would blow the Mitchell Report out of the water. Simply step to the mic and say, "I will take a lie detector test".Comment
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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
Pete Rose before these bums.
How isn't this thread racially motivated?
Only reason Bonds got the attention was because he broke the greatest records of all time. Give me a break.Last edited by HungryBologna; 12-14-2007, 08:23 PM.Comment
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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
That's why he won't take one. If my reputation was on the line for the rest of my years I'd do the thing on live t.v. Take that Georege Mitchell! End of story.
But, I think you're right. Let's face it, this isn't shocking news, or shouldn't be, to anyone.Comment
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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
Well if you juice up as a pitcher doesn't change your motion which in turn should hurt your arm. I think thats how it goes. I remember hearing about what happened when you juiced up as a pitcher and I remembered it ending up with a hurt arm.Comment
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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
Funny how everyone that even mentioned Clemens taking roids would get flamed. I remember myself talking about how Clemens is as guilty as Bonds, and I was treated like a heretic. This whole thread was plagued with people absolutely ripping Ballaholic... bet they all feel like idiots, and rightfully so.Comment
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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
Yeah, but if we go by that, that could be said of MOST of the people mentioned in steroid rumors and who haven't tested positive. Roger Clemens does get special treatment when it comes to the issue because people are quick to defend him even though he's been mentioned a lot of times. And this isn't just Average Joe saying he did it, it's numerous testimonies from different trainers and people involved in this kind of business. I think people are a little too naive in terms of going out on a limb and saying they don't think this guy did this or that, when in all probability, they might have.
In comparison with Barry Bonds, thats a whole different thing because he did admit it under oath, well, sort of. I don't think people have it against him because he is black as people keep pointing out, but it doesn't help him that he's a jerk like others have said. On the other hand, Clemens has rubbed a lot of fan bases the wrong way too, and he still is well liked for some reason. I guess the only way he would EVER get completely tainted is if he comes out himself and says that he juiced. Otherwise, people will continue to defend him to death more so than other players, because he is an important figure in baseball that a lot of people look up to.
In my opinion, it's very foolish to come out and say that he didn't do it and try to twist very far fetched opinions on why not. However, I can't honestly say he did even if people that were involved with him say it, because there's no tangible proof. Unless him and others are placed under a court of law to talk about this issue, then it will all remain speculative. But like I've been saying, it's foolish to dismiss these allegations as just lies, because it is evident that the number of players who did steroids is far greater than what it has been led to believe. So for Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, or even lesser known players, it's just not smart to favor them and say they didn't because they never tested positive, when the tests and the process of testing has been so weak and flawed for years. To me, no one is out of reach of the steroid cloud.Comment
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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
Yep. What a novel concept, eh?
At this point, we're all hypothesizing about who's taking and who isn't. No one knows for sure so why would someone feel foolish for believing a guy might not be doing 'roids/HGH? Anyone who claims they knew for sure that any player was using before any info came out is a liar.
I still don't think Clemens was on them when this topic was created. Like I said then, he had to pass a WBC Olympic style test. That's not easy to do. Now, was he on them in previous years? According to the Mitchell Report, yes he was. Sounds like he was using from the mid to late 90's until the early 00's.Last edited by mjb2124; 12-15-2007, 10:00 AM.Comment
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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
only thing I have to say in this thread is HA HA HA HA stuff is different when its roger huh?......Im just waiting to see roger get hit as much as bonds which I kno wouldnt happen but being a yankee its possible....I saw sportscenter this morning and only 22% said he shouldnt be in the hall, I remembered that bonds had the same question as he did awhile ago and boy was it different....LOL at bonds is a jerk and thats why he is getting attention and he broke that record, how many records roger have? 50% of all celebrities are jerks anywayLast edited by Jukeman; 12-15-2007, 11:29 AM.Comment
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Re: Why doesn't anyone talk about Roger Clemens and steroids?
It's not different.
At the time of this thread, there was tons of evidence on Bonds, none on Clemens. Now there's evidence for both, do you see anyone defending Clemens?
Good call by the original poster I guess, but I don't feel stupid for waiting until there was real evidence on Clemens to think he's on steroids.Originally posted by Jay BilasComment
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