Ozzie at it again....

[mgoblue]

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A slur is a slur is a slur no matter how much one tries to twist it to make it sound better. Considering Guillen obviously has a strong dislike for Mariotti, I'm sure he didn't mean his comment in a positive manner (which is what a slur is - degrading, demeaning comment).

Like I said before, the similarities with Rocker are certainly there, but on a much lesser degree as Rocker demeaned many groups of people. Guillen just demeaned one.

and a slur against homosexuals doesn't incite the general public the same as if Ozzie dropped the n word. I think it should offend people, but sadly most really think it's ok.

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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it takes a pretty thin skinned person to really care about someone saying a word like "***" , especially when it wasnt even used to offend a group. But it doesnt matter, I guess I was just brought up not to take everything so personal and so seriously and to lay back and brush stuff off that doesnt physically hurt someone.

[Stu]

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it takes a pretty thin skinned person to really care about someone saying a word like "***" , especially when it wasnt even used to offend a group. But it doesnt matter, I guess I was just brought up not to take everything so personal and so seriously and to lay back and brush stuff off that doesnt physically hurt someone.

You're missing the point. The issue isn't whether or not anybody took offense but how he's representing his organization, which at the moment is very well.

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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You're missing the point. The issue isn't whether or not anybody took offense but how he's representing his organization, which at the moment is very well.

I guess I see your point, but I still think its out of proportion. I wouldnt want sensitivity classes either if I called someone a ***. I mean its not like he went on a rampage of slurs. He said 1 thing thats honestly, a pretty common word when people are upset.

[mjb2124]

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thats honestly, a pretty common word when people are upset.

I seriously would love to see the people you hang around. If that's a common word for them when upset they really need some help.

Ozzie might not have meant it as a way to insult an entire group, but that's exactly what that word does. I don't get why this is so hard to understand. It's a deragatory term used to describe a group of people with a different lifestyle than most. Since it's against the TOS I can't list all the other deragatory terms used to describe other races, religions etc...., but it's not much different.

It has nothing to do with being thin skinned, but having to do with having common courtesy towards others.

Ozzie should just be lucky he lives in the MLB Bubble. Otherwise, he'd be on the street looking for a new job.

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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I seriously would love to see the people you hang around. If that's a common word for them when upset they really need some help.

Ozzie might not have meant it as a way to insult an entire group, but that's exactly what that word does. I don't get why this is so hard to understand. It's a deragatory term used to describe a group of people with a different lifestyle than most. Since it's against the TOS I can't list all the other deragatory terms used to describe other races, religions etc...., but it's not much different.

It has nothing to do with being thin skinned, but having to do with having common courtesy towards others.

Ozzie should just be lucky he lives in the MLB Bubble. Otherwise, he'd be on the street looking for a new job.

yet its still funny i havent heard any complaint out of the actual group it apparently offended. Just the people with too much power, and guys who have something against Ozzie or the white sox.

[mjb2124]

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yet its still funny i havent heard any complaint out of the actual group it apparently offended. Just the people with too much power, and guys who have something against Ozzie or the white sox.

According to an article in today's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, there are a whole lot of Gay Rights activists that are upset:

"This isn't a free-speech issue. No one is suggesting Guillen be jailed for his remarks. This also isn't a P.C. deal. It's merely about good business. Those in baseball can't be allowed to insult the paying customers of any race, religion, ethnic group or sexual orientation. Gay rights activists everywhere have expressed their outrage with Guillen and pointed out correctly that this isn't the first time he has been accused of making anti-gay remarks."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06177/701258-87.stm

Seriously what are the activists going to do? Hold a press conference on ESPN to show their displeasure? Show up at every White Sox game and picket? Write a letter to MLB and demand Ozzie's firing? With little to no resources, I'm sure they've done some stuff, but it's not likely to be very public.

For me, this isn't about having something against the White Sox or Guillen. I dislike Guillen, but I'd say the same about Bill Cowher if he made the same statement. Fortunately he's not that dumb. I have nothing against the White Sox at all. Don't like them, don't hate them, but that's how I feel about every team aside from my team (and I'm starting to dislike the way my team is run more and more every losing year that goes by).

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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Well like I said way before, maybe its just because im a straight male that was brought up in a house and with friends that dont have a problem with that word. Maybe its because im one of those people who doesnt have anything against Gay's just as long as they dont display it toward me, I dont know. Im just the type to brush it off since its nothing I havent said and havent heard a bunch of times before so I guess it doesnt bother me.

[mjb2124]

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Probably it. I'm a straight caucasian male, but I have problems with any type of slur. I know if I would've used that word when I was younger, I would've had a bar of soap in my mouth or been spanked. Just raised in an environment where things like that weren't tolerated.

Maybe it's just a matter of an age difference.

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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Probably it. I'm a straight caucasian male, but I have problems with any type of slur. I know if I would've used that word when I was younger, I would've had a bar of soap in my mouth or been spanked. Just raised in an environment where things like that weren't tolerated.

Maybe it's just a matter of an age difference.

yea definatly man.

I dont think of my parents as racists, even though this might come off as racists, but its never talked about, but pretty much known in my house that, its "wrong" to be gay. Also they would never critisize, never mock, never call names to african americans, but they do avoid them as much as they can. Me im different in the sense that I have african american friends, and with gay people I dont mind them as long as they dont act it around me.

[BGarrett7]

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I dont think of my parents as racists ...

Then perhaps you should.

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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Then perhaps you should.

I wouldnt call avoiding really racism. Its not like they refuse to go to the store and they dont name call or ever physically do anything.

[Stu]

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I wouldnt call avoiding really racism. Its not like they refuse to go to the store and they dont name call or ever physically do anything.

This thread makes a lot more sense now.

[BGarrett7]

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This thread makes a lot more sense now.

Indeed it does.

[MagicBucsWsoxFan]

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First of all I said my parents, second of all, you dont know me so to judge me is quite wrong.

How do you know my parents arnt just scared? Im sure you must know some parts of chicago the reputations of african americans is of being aggresive and extreamly dangerous. I believe they have a right to feel how they feel, but as long as they dont talk about or act on it then its not as bad as you guys claim.