A-Rod to Cubs?

[teebone]

Re: A-Rod to Cubs?

I wholeheartedly disagree. IMO, that is not a fair trade. You're talking about a guy who many believe is the best player in the game, and in an 'off' year, hit 35 bombs and drove in 120 runs with an OBP around .390. You're not going to get a guy like that unless you give up quality and someone who is a sure thing, which Zambrano is and Prior is not. As for A-Ram, why would he be included when he can become a free agent anyways, and probably will unless the Cubs break the bank for him?

If you could guarantee that Prior would be healthy for the most part, a package of Prior, Hill, Pie and a reliever would be equitable. You're not going to get A-Rod by giving up spare parts.

Actually, I was talking to a buddy of mine and said Zambrano and a reliever and maybe a prospect for A-Rod and Pavano (with the Yanks paying some of his salary). The Cubs get a serviceable pitcher in Pavano who will be back in the NL to help replace Zambrano.

LOL, thats too funny..."a serviceable pitcher" to go with Prior. Its funny too because I live less than a mile from Wrigley Field and all the people I talk to like my ideas as well. LOL. In any case, the Yankees already have a lot of bats but what they have lacked is pitching and even better than that power pitching which is what Zambrano is. You cant tell me that Zambrano is not worth more to the Yankees than ARod and after Prior, Wood, Wade Miller and Scott Williamson, Pavano doesnt do it. And certainly not for Zambrano and a pitcher. Thats a joke.

[teebone]

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Doesnt matter who the Cubs get. Fact is Pinella has rehired the pitching coach and lets face it - pitching has sucked and Larry Rothschild has blown out two young talented arms in Wood and Prior. Great move Pinella, I hope you enjoy padding your career win loss record with alot more losses!

Guys I want you to bear witness. Here we have before us a White Sox fan who isnt really a White Sox fans but, rather, someone who is just anti-Cubs. And these anti-Cubs, White Sox "fans" are about half the White Sox fanbase.

[Mo]

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First of all the proposal in are soaked with bias.

Any one who thinks Rich Hill is better than Prior, is out of their mind.
Second, Zambrano does have more value than Arod. When you consider the Yankees need pitching more than the Cubs need a 3B/SS.

Lastly any deal involving Arod would likely involve the White Sox as they have pitching to part with

[USF11]

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First of all the proposal in are soaked with bias.

Any one who thinks Rich Hill is better than Prior, is out of their mind.
Second, Zambrano does have more value than Arod. When you consider the Yankees need pitching more than the Cubs need a 3B/SS.

Lastly any deal involving Arod would likely involve the White Sox as they have pitching to part with

I would rather have Rch Hill then Prior. I for one think prior is a steriod baby, and since testing went into place the guy has been terrible.

[teebone]

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First of all the proposal in are soaked with bias.

Any one who thinks Rich Hill is better than Prior, is out of their mind.
Second, Zambrano does have more value than Arod. When you consider the Yankees need pitching more than the Cubs need a 3B/SS.

Lastly any deal involving Arod would likely involve the White Sox as they have pitching to part with

But not if ARod will only wave his no trade clause to play for Lou...that possibility gives the Cubs some leverage and possibly considerable leverage.

[CMH]

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Doesnt matter who the Cubs get. Fact is Pinella has rehired the pitching coach and lets face it - pitching has sucked and Larry Rothschild has blown out two young talented arms in Wood and Prior. Great move Pinella, I hope you enjoy padding your career win loss record with alot more losses!

I'd blame Baker before I blame Rothschild.

When your manager leaves pitchers out to hang with 120 pitches there is very little you can do to prevent injury if you are the pitching coach.

[Altimus]

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But not if ARod will only wave his no trade clause to play for Lou...that possibility gives the Cubs some leverage and possibly considerable leverage.

True. Very interested what becomes of this. Any word about this from the Yankees?

[e0820]

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Guys I want you to bear witness. Here we have before us a White Sox fan who isnt really a White Sox fans but, rather, someone who is just anti-Cubs. And these anti-Cubs, White Sox "fans" are about half the White Sox fanbase.

Wrong there, I started rooting for the White Sox this season after wasting my time with the Cubs. In that time I have been to two White Sox games, I sat in a skybox each time. I have not been able to go to a Cubs game because I cant get tickets, but I found myself still watching the Cubs. If your not a North Side millionaire and wanna goto to the ballpark once in awhile you have to be a Sox fan aswell. So I decided I will break the rule and root for both teams because I am a baseball fan first.

my remarks were not Anti-Cub. Rothschild = bad for Cubs.

[dooch]

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LOL, thats too funny..."a serviceable pitcher" to go with Prior. Its funny too because I live less than a mile from Wrigley Field and all the people I talk to like my ideas as well. LOL. In any case, the Yankees already have a lot of bats but what they have lacked is pitching and even better than that power pitching which is what Zambrano is. You cant tell me that Zambrano is not worth more to the Yankees than ARod and after Prior, Wood, Wade Miller and Scott Williamson, Pavano doesnt do it. And certainly not for Zambrano and a pitcher. Thats a joke.

First of all, I never said the Cubs would deal Zambrano. I did say that if the Yanks do trade ARod to the Cubs, that is who would have to be involved, as is pretty much every sportswriter out there (Neyer, Olney, etc). The thing to remember is the Yanks don't have to deal A-Rod, so they can afford to be choosy with who they get in return. For that reason, I don't see a deal with the Cubs happening b/c they would be dumb to part with Zambrano, and the Yanks wouldn't do it unless they got him.

I think if they do end up dealing him, he goes to the Angels. They have the surplus pitching.

[AI_Franchise]

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True. Very interested what becomes of this. Any word about this from the Yankees?

It's a rumor before the season is even done. Think about it for a second...then get your answer. So how would the Cubs have leverage? Arod isn't going anywhere until teams show they want AROD..The posterboy for baseball. So unless Hollywood type of deal comes out of the MidWest region or Hollywood itself, Arod's staying in NY.

[teebone]

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First of all, I never said the Cubs would deal Zambrano. I did say that if the Yanks do trade ARod to the Cubs, that is who would have to be involved, as is pretty much every sportswriter out there (Neyer, Olney, etc). The thing to remember is the Yanks don't have to deal A-Rod, so they can afford to be choosy with who they get in return. For that reason, I don't see a deal with the Cubs happening b/c they would be dumb to part with Zambrano, and the Yanks wouldn't do it unless they got him.

I think if they do end up dealing him, he goes to the Angels. They have the surplus pitching.

The Yankees need starting pitching, solid relievers and a 3B should they trade ARod. Aramis, Marshall/Guzman/Hill and Eyre give them all that. Whats not to like about that? Throwing salary out the window though, ARod for Zambrano is not a fair trade...the Yankees need to throw in more. Besides, The Cubs merely want ARod whereas, the Yankees need the things I mentioned. Also, if ARod is worried about his legacy/image, it would be more enhanced if he were to be the main cog on the Cubs when/if the Cubs won than it would be hurt by leaving NY...and it would be kind of like giving NY the finger.

[AI_Franchise]

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Arod isn't going nowhere..so far at least

http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/ind...870.xml&coll=1

Cashman firm: A-Rod is not going anywhere
Thursday, October 19, 2006
BY ED PRICE
Star-Ledger Staff
NEW YORK -- While Alex Rodriguez trade speculation heats up, the Yankees maintain they want to keep him.

"I have received no offers," general manager Brian Cashman said yesterday. "I've had calls of teams having interest. He's not available. That's what I've said before. I guess I'll be saying it all winter, unless something changes, and I don't anticipate that."

ESPN.com reported that new Chicago Cubs manager Lou Piniella expected the Cubs to aggressively pursue Rodriguez. The Chicago White Sox and Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim also have been linked to Rodriguez, who is 3-for-29 in the past two postseasons and was dropped to eighth in the order in Game 4 of this year's AL Division Series.

Agent Scott Boras did not return a call. But he told si.com: "I think a lot of teams want Alex Rodriguez. But the fact is, he has a no-trade (clause), and he wants to stay in New York. He likes being a Yankee, he likes playing in New York. He likes the environment, and he wants to win there. He's been steadfast about what he wants to do."

In an entry on his Web site dated Oct. 11, Rodriguez wrote, "I am 100 percent committed to being a Yankee now and in the future. I don't want to play anywhere else. I never have (and never will) run away from the responsibility I have to this team. I believe I am part of the solution to winning a championship here. I want to finish my career in New York."

Jason Giambi will undergo surgery on his left wrist today, Cashman said. Giambi may have a torn ligament in the wrist, which he injured in late August. He hit just one homer in his final 27 regular-season games -- getting three anti-inflammatory injections in the wrist -- and was 1-for-8 with a homer in the AL Division Series.

Andy Phillips also will have surgery today, an arthroscopic procedure to repair torn cartilage in a knee.

Cashman said Randy Johnson will have surgery on the herniated disk in his lower back a week from today.

Reliever Scott Proctor was examined by a team physician and "has no problems," according to Cashman.

Cashman said he likely will address the coaching staff next week. The contracts of all six coaches expire at the end of the month, and while Cashman has said he liked the way the staff worked this year, he still has to consult with owner George Steinbrenner.

First-base coach Tony Pena has had preliminary conversations with the Washington Nationals about their managerial opening. Cashman said no other teams have sought permission to talk to Yankees coaches.

The Yankees will go without an advance scout, instead having the pro scouts handle the duties. Whoever is responsible for scouting a team all season will also be responsible for preparing advance reports when the Yankees are about to face that team. The Yankees decided not to bring back their two advance scouts, Wade Taylor and Chuck Cottier.

Rick Williams, who had been a special assistant in the Tampa Bay front office, has been added to the pro scouting staff, and Cashman said he will make one other hire.

No. 1 draft pick Ian Kennedy has a 1.04 ERA through three appearances (one start) in the Hawaiian Winter League, having struck out 14 in 8 2/3 innings. Joba Chamberlain, the Yankees' second pick, is 1-1 with a 1.80 ERA, 15 strikeouts and two walks in 10 innings over three relief appearances. Former No. 1 pick Eric Duncan, from Seton Hall Prep, was off to a 6-for-27 (.222) start in the Arizona Fall League. Outfielder Brett Gardner was 11-for-24 (.458) through seven games, with a .641 on-base percentage.

The Italics don't sound too promising...They better be right about the scouts.

[dooch]

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The Yankees need starting pitching, solid relievers and a 3B should they trade ARod. Aramis, Marshall/Guzman/Hill and Eyre give them all that. Whats not to like about that? Throwing salary out the window though, ARod for Zambrano is not a fair trade...the Yankees need to throw in more. Besides, The Cubs merely want ARod whereas, the Yankees need the things I mentioned. Also, if ARod is worried about his legacy/image, it would be more enhanced if he were to be the main cog on the Cubs when/if the Cubs won than it would be hurt by leaving NY...and it would be kind of like giving NY the finger.

I guess we agree to disagree. Your proposal does not include one 'sure thing' pitcher, which is what the Yanks need and should expect if they deal A-Rod. I think if you keep salaries included, ARod for Zambrano leans slightly towards the Yanks b/c pitching is at such a premium, especially young, durable hard throwers. If you take salaries out of the equation, I don't think there's any question that A-Rod is the more valuable property. The guy is a 2 time MVP, future HOF, possible all-time HR champ, etc...arguably the best player in the game today. While Zambrano is very good, there is always the question of the transition to the AL for NL pitchers, which hasn't worked out too well in the past for the Yanks (see: Vazquez, Brown, Pavano, Unit, etc).

As for your assertion that the Cubs merely 'want' ARod, I think it's a lot more than that with Piniella as the manager. Let's face it - the Cubs aren't making the playoffs as currently constructed, let alone win a WS. In order to achieve what he wants/expects, they need to make some additions, a big bat being at the top of the list.

Again though, I don't see a deal happening b/c there is not a match.

[teebone]

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I guess we agree to disagree. Your proposal does not include one 'sure thing' pitcher, which is what the Yanks need and should expect if they deal A-Rod. I think if you keep salaries included, ARod for Zambrano leans slightly towards the Yanks b/c pitching is at such a premium, especially young, durable hard throwers. If you take salaries out of the equation, I don't think there's any question that A-Rod is the more valuable property. The guy is a 2 time MVP, future HOF, possible all-time HR champ, etc...arguably the best player in the game today. While Zambrano is very good, there is always the question of the transition to the AL for NL pitchers, which hasn't worked out too well in the past for the Yanks (see: Vazquez, Brown, Pavano, Unit, etc).

As for your assertion that the Cubs merely 'want' ARod, I think it's a lot more than that with Piniella as the manager. Let's face it - the Cubs aren't making the playoffs as currently constructed, let alone win a WS. In order to achieve what he wants/expects, they need to make some additions, a big bat being at the top of the list.

Again though, I don't see a deal happening b/c there is not a match.

How do you say there is a premium on pitching and then say ARod is more valuable? The Yankees have a team of ARods and were bounced out early by a team with hard throwing young pitchers (plus Kenny Rogers). Zambrano is a hard throwing young pitcher who is durable. And, the Cubs actually have a 3B that puts up decent numbers...hes not without flaw, but they could do a lot worse than Aramis. Again, ARod would be nice to have but he's not worth a Zambrano in a straight up swap.