Cubs need some psychiatric help

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Are personal attacks allowed?

I don't know. You signed up today. Already bringing that up this quickly in your "first" day leads me to believe you're a previously banned poster, but maybe not. Whatever it is is your problem.

With that being said, despite how many times facts are thrown at your face about the situation and this whole mess, you still think Chris Young is a headhunter and that the Padres were dirty and all that.

Must I throw out the facts in a neatly organized list for you?

Lee - 4/4, hot hitter
Soriano - Showed up Wells on an absolutely bomb. Why did he have to walk backwards and stare at his home run to LF?
Peavy - Comment derived from Soriano's action. If Soriano showed any class at all, no comment from Peavy, play ball.
Young - 1-2 count, 4 inning in a 0-0 game, no hits allowed in a tight game that the Padres need to stay ahead in the NL West, and you think Chris Young, a Princeton graduate, is stupid enough to do something like that intentionally, knowing it would tax the bullpen and all that unnecessary consequences?
Lee - Just a normal person who overreacted. Why? He was hit in the wrist, same place where he was injured. Not to mention that HE let Peavy's words from that article get to his head and think he was a victim of Soriano's antics the previous game.

Maybe the Young/Lee incident is connected to Peavy/Soriano, maybe it isn't, but if Chris Young had any intention to throw a beanball up there, 1) it wouldn't be a tailing fastball, 2) it would've been a 4-seam fastball which he has his best command in, 3) Soriano would've been pegged, not Lee.

[yvesdereuter]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

I don't know. You signed up today. Already bringing that up this quickly in your "first" day leads me to believe you're a previously banned poster, but maybe not. Whatever it is is your problem and if you feel like that is a personal attack, then maybe it is true.

With that being said, despite how many times facts are thrown at your face about the situation and this whole mess, you still think Chris Young is a headhunter and that the Padres were dirty and all that.

Like I said, Ive thrown facts at you as well. Remember the fact/fact/fact post? And regarding your previous comment. Its actually fairly common on sites like this to have language about personal attacks.

[Psyblast]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Cool it, guys.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Like I said, Ive thrown facts at you as well. Remember the fact/fact/fact post? And regarding your previous comment. Its actually fairly common on sites like this to have language about personal attacks.

Oh you mean this post with only three select facts?

Fact: Young has better than average control
Fact: Peavy was quoted about putting the pill in someones ribs the day before
Fact: Derrek Lee was 4/4 the day before


Plus Young didnt exactly avoid confrontation after the beaning. And of course the Padres are denying it was intentional. Too bad Peavy's own words are their own indictment.

Fact: Soriano backpeddled towards first admiring his home run.
Fact: Players get pissed off at that. Yep, it's called showing up the pitcher.
Fact: Peavy's quote is derived from Soriano's actions Friday.
Fact: Young has great control
ALSO A FACT: Every pitcher, despite their control, does not throw every pitch perfectly.
Fact: The count was 1-2.
Fact: Both teams were without either a hit or a run at the time.
Fact: Lee was mouthing off a Young walking to first.
Fact: The umpire failed to get between Young and Lee, instead talking to Bowen after the HBP.
Fact: Lee threw the first punch after he didn't like what Chris Young had to say.
Fact: Both players could've done something to avoid it.

That is all.

[yvesdereuter]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Cool it, guys.

This quote plus your avatar is kind of freaky. Its like the guy in your avatar is saying, "cool it."

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Cool it, guys.

Very well Psyblast. I think this topic should be done and over with. It just gives more unnecessary glory to an ugly zit on baseball.

Bottomline, I think Lee overreacted, Young should've not confronted Lee afterwards nor should Lee have thrown a punch. Both players face suspensions and that is that. Intentional or unintentional, what can we say what really happened when we are only spectators of the sport and not the players on the field?

[yvesdereuter]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Very well Psyblast. I think this topic should be done and over with. It just gives more unnecessary glory to an ugly zit on baseball.

Bottomline, I think Lee overreacted, Young should've not confronted Lee afterwards nor should Lee have thrown a punch. Both players face suspensions and that is that. Intentional or unintentional, what can we say what really happened when we are only spectators of the sport and not the players on the field?

...and if there would have been a competent umpire behind home plate, we probably wouldnt have been talking about a fight. Unfortunately, he wanted to discuss matters with the catcher while this was going on.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

...and if there would have been a competent umpire behind home plate, we probably wouldnt have been talking about a fight. Unfortunately, he wanted to discuss matters with the catcher while this was going on.

Yep. The ump should've saved whatever he and Bowen were talking about after Lee was at first.

[bkrich83]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Maybe the Young/Lee incident is connected to Peavy/Soriano, maybe it isn't, but if Chris Young had any intention to throw a beanball up there, 1) it wouldn't be a tailing fastball, 2) it would've been a 4-seam fastball which he has his best command in, 3) Soriano would've been pegged, not Lee.

Not to mention it wouldn't have been on a 2 strike pitch in the 4th inning of a scoreless ball game. Something that still hasn't been answered, why would he bean him intentionally with 2 strikes? When have to ever seen an intentional beanball on a 2 strike count? If he was going to bean Lee on purpose, why wouldn't he have done it in the first inning, especially since he walked him anyway.

The idea that Young hit Lee on purpose is beyond absurd and has absolutely no baseball logic behind it.

[chippered]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Five games for each seems about right to me. Kinda seems high for Young, IMO. The league may not have liked that the pitch was up around his head. Not saying he was head hunting.

Lee probably got off lightly here. After a couple of days and watching the replays, it didnt look intentional. Lee should've taken his base, Young should've stayed on the mound, and the Ump should've done his job to keep the players seperated. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Time to move on. Good luck the rest of the way. Maybe we'll meet in the playoffs.

[soltrain]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Five games for each seems about right to me. Kinda seems high for Young, IMO. The league may not have liked that the pitch was up around his head. Not saying he was head hunting.

Lee probably got off lightly here. After a couple of days and watching the replays, it didnt look intentional. Lee should've taken his base, Young should've stayed on the mound, and the Ump should've done his job to keep the players seperated. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Time to move on. Good luck the rest of the way. Maybe we'll meet in the playoffs.

Why does it seem high? He doesn't even miss a start. SD can shuffle the rotation and his start gets pushed back a day. I thought it was right for both of them, although I was thinking DLee could have gotten 7 or 8 games.

[chippered]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Why does it seem high? He doesn't even miss a start. SD can shuffle the rotation and his start gets pushed back a day. I thought it was right for both of them, although I was thinking DLee could have gotten 7 or 8 games.

Because guys get hit all the time and they dont always get ejected from the game, let alone suspended. The fact that Lee could've gone to first, but instead flailed away was the reason there was a brawl. Young may have said something, but he didnt swing first.

[bkrich83]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Because guys get hit all the time and they dont always get ejected from the game, let alone suspended. The fact that Lee could've gone to first, but instead flailed away was the reason there was a brawl. Young may have said something, but he didnt swing first.

Young still threw some haymakers, and didn't appear to help the situation before the punches were thrown. I actually thought they both would get more games. In the end it seems fair to me.

[chippered]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

Young still threw some haymakers, and didn't appear to help the situation before the punches were thrown. I actually thought they both would get more games. In the end it seems fair to me.

Probably a fair indication of their reputation amoung league officials. If it was, say Dukes in Lee's spot, different punishment for sure.

[Macar91]

Re: Cubs need some psychiatric help

One start for Young sounds about right. I do agree though, Lee go off lightly. I wouldn't have been surprised if it was 7-10 games.